Hacking Gateway update regarding rumors

[Vengenceonu]

I'm just trying to catch my breath right now, and sometimes things are missed. That happens at times. Give me some time to actually REALLY go over things, and I'll try to piece together the relevantly reliable information.

Your working too SLOW. I can have 4 Chinese sweatshop children do what your doing now while also making me a pair of sneakers in 10 minutes at half the cost.

Seriously though, don't overwork yourself, all the info WONT be released in 1 day. Take your time.

 

[Armadillo]

I'm just trying to catch my breath right now, and sometimes things are missed. That happens at times. Give me some time to actually REALLY go over things, and I'll try to piece together the relevantly reliable information.

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Well to help you out, I spent a little finding those posts, these are the posts in question, which seem to imply the original launcher should cause no issues

http://gbatemp.net/threads/warning-gateway-team-bricks-card-on-purpose.360568/page-16#post-4884253

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http://gbatemp.net/threads/warning-gateway-team-bricks-card-on-purpose.360568/page-18#post-4884333

Still comes back to the whole trust issue, do you trust X saying Y, but if you don't, then the whole bricking can just be ignored I guess .

 

[randomxiii]

I do hope some form of an apology, acknowledgement or something comes when/if 2.0 is released regarding the acusations that they put the code there themselves. They need to gain everyone's confidence back if they expect 2.0 to be used universally after this and as a result GW word of mouth being positive as a result.

Trust me, the moment 80% of GW users boot up Pokemon Y from their GW card, everyone's confidence will be regained. Most people don't give a rat's ass about any of this bricking business if they can continue playing games.

 

[Ryukouki]

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Well to help you out, I spent a little finding those posts, these are the posts in question, which seem to imply the original launcher should cause no issues

http://gbatemp.net/threads/warning-gateway-team-bricks-card-on-purpose.360568/page-16#post-4884253

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http://gbatemp.net/threads/warning-gateway-team-bricks-card-on-purpose.360568/page-18#post-4884333

Still comes back to the whole trust issue, do you trust X saying Y, but if you don't, then the whole bricking can just be ignored I guess .

*sweats some more...*

As much as I believe in that information, I am extremely wary about what I place into articles, sometimes to my disadvantage. It's not that I don't trust the user in question, it's that if that user is proved wrong, it has a lot more repercussions on me that I would have to take responsibility for. I will note those two posts and keep them in mind for the time being until new information that is not theory arrives.

 

[Huntereb]

Oh look, more shit we've heard for the past month and a half. What else were we expecting?

 

[gamesquest1]

tbh im a bit sad that people had to pay the price for what the clones where doing, but i suppose most of them where aware the code was being copied from gateway and considered the clones invincible.....i guess if it is true that gateway did this it will at least ruin peoples faith in the clones abilities to copy code properly

 

[MrOldboy]

Trust me, the moment 80% of GW users boot up Pokemon Y from their GW card, everyone's confidence will be regained. Most people don't give a rat's ass about any of this bricking business if they can continue playing games.

Yeah, but if they did this in a beta release people will only think they put something even more nefarious in the final release so that only the GW card will work with it. I'd imagine that they'd hope GW is the only card to play Pokemon and ACNL on. Hopefullyif they do attempt something similar to this again it means blocking the clone cards and not bricking systems.

 

[aXXo]

Hopefully this entire situation boosts gateway sales

I'm pretty sure that it will have the exact opposite effect, since Gateway is admitting to having code that can "brick" people's consoles and them assuring people that only their product won't get bricked by the very code they implemented isn't very comforting and probably disturbing people even more. Now people aren't sure what the hell to do.

 

[Xzi]

I'm pretty sure that it will have the exact opposite effect, since Gateway is admitting to having code that can "brick" people's consoles and them assuring people that only their product won't get bricked by the very code they implemented isn't very comforting and probably disturbing people even more. Now people aren't sure what the hell to do.

If and when they admit that, it's a whole different ball game. They haven't admitted to it.

 

[profi200]

@Vengenceonu:
I can understand your point. I myself trust them and many others too. Yesterday i tested serveral brick scenarios with my 3DS with NAND dumping to make sure, we are right. I never got a error code matching the brick error code and i tried all possible bricks until i got the idea with the hardware related error codes. They almost match completely and then yellows8 started looking at their code and he found the code, which cause the brick. It's 100% on purpose.

Just to tell the story behind this. It's the choice of the people reading this to trust us or not

 

[Ryukouki]

I'm not going to lie here, I'm definitely raising my eyebrows at the Gateway team for all of this. While I respect all of their work thus far, this latest post feels a bit angry towards their crowd, and I do not think it's a good thing at this time. As far as this thread goes, it's looking like another witch hunt/speculation thread. How about we wait until the 2.0 final?

 

[Ryukouki]

@Vengenceonu:
I can understand your point. I myself trust them and many others too. Yesterday i tested serveral brick scenarios with my 3DS with NAND dumping to make sure, we are right. I never got a error code matching the brick error code and i tried all possible bricks until i got the idea with the hardware related error codes. They almost match completely and then yellows8 started looking at their code and he found the code, which cause the brick. It's 100% on purpose.

Just to tell the story behind this. It's the choice of the people reading this to trust us or not

You have 100 posts, can't trust!

I kid, I know exactly who you are and respect what you've done thus far.

 

[gamesquest1]

well im fine if this gets locked....tbh people keep going around in circles....gateway hasnt admitted or denied anything....they have implied that they have taken SD card corruption into consideration when making their firmware.......this should be enough answers for now for all people concerned

clone users just go to the last probably safe FW...(2.0)
gateway users "should" be perfectly fine
and rumormongers and speculators......every idea you might have has already been said

 

[Xzi]

I'm not going to lie here, I'm definitely raising my eyebrows at the Gateway team for all of this. While I respect all of their work thus far, this latest post feels a bit angry towards their crowd, and I do not think it's a good thing at this time. As far as this thread goes, it's looking like another witch hunt/speculation thread. How about we wait until the 2.0 final?

Hard to say what other choice we have. I was hoping that 2.0 final would be released before my Gateway got delivered to me. Instead, all of this happened. Still kind of a blessing in a way, since I can decide what course of action to take with my 3DS based on what unfolds with this whole situation before exploiting and proceeding with any loader.

 

[redkeyboard]

I don't know where you would get that from what was said. Gateway was essentially saying that they neither confirm nor deny it. That it would be a waste of their time to reply to rumors or speculation created by their competitors. And for all we know, that is where this discussion originated from. The 3DSLink/R4i team, who we know already had egg on their face from the broken 3.3 firmware release.

I said "looks like" because to me they seem they really hate the clones, and their attitude such as "we don't care about what happens to other users as long as GW users are fine" really make it look to me that they intentionally put code to brick people's consoles.

And you know, there's also the whole thing where like 6 trusted developers confirmed it. Jesus, you guys need to stop being so delusional. Gateway isn't the perfect team that everyone should praise, if you ask me what they did was pretty despicable. If they wanted to stop clones from surfacing they probably should have did a better job on their anti-piracy work (ironic, isn't it?)

 

[Priest282]

Even if there is code to brick, if u are using a gateway card with official gateway firmware they said on website its 100% safe. I haven't heard of a case where someone has bricked in this scenario. The only concern I have is that is there is a hardware read corruption on SD or gw card it could misread this as clone or mod launcher and brick, but someone said it knows the diff and wouldn't but I'm not sure.
My point is has anyone bricked using official hardware and firmware? Pretty sure they haven't right so us safe?

 

[Xzi]

I said "looks like" because to me they seem they really hate the clones, and their attitude such as "we don't care about what happens to other users as long as GW users are fine" really make it look to me that they intentionally put code to brick people's consoles.

And you know, there's also the whole thing where like 6 trusted developers confirmed it. Jesus, you guys need to stop being so delusional. Gateway isn't the perfect team that everyone should praise, if you ask me what they did was pretty despicable. If they wanted to stop clones from surfacing they probably should have did a better job on their anti-piracy work (ironic, isn't it?)

I'm simply being skeptical about the whole thing. Anybody could be claiming to be one of those trusted developers, as it's the internet. And all we've been given from them so far is pseudo-code, which again, anybody could make up. All they would have to do is copy/paste the one line of actual code from the Gateway launcher which executes the bricking process in order to 100% confirm this.

 

[Vengenceonu]

You have 100 posts, can't trust!

I kid, I know exactly who you are and respect what you've done thus far.

psh a GBATemp Reporter breaking the double posting rule? You really must be tired.

On-topic: I myself might be slightly biased because i just ordered a gateway from eachmall's sale (right when shit hits the fan, typical ) so i want to give them the Benefit of the Doubt before i whip out my eDick and start arguing like everyone else.
profi200 Completely understandable. I dont doubt you just making sure people dont come to wrong conclusions. I advise to just keep away from flashcards for the next couple days regardless if you can reflash it or not.

 

[aXXo]

If and when they admit that, it's a whole different ball game. They haven't admitted to it.

I admit that "admitting" is the wrong word, more like Gateway is "alluding" to having bricking code. They don't directly admit it, but their posts makes it seems like they know more about it than they are saying. And the fact that actual trusted scene members are saying that the bricking code is present in the newer versions and absent in the older versions makes Gateway's silence seem more like guilt than innocence. In addition, the unfortunate release of the region-free patch makes Gateway's actions seem paranoid because even their legitimate users were shafted by the code that Gateway themselves made.

 

[Ryukouki]

psh a GBATemp Reporter breaking the double posting rule? You really must be tired.

On-topic: I myself might be slightly biased because i just ordered a gateway from eachmall's sale (right when shit hits the fan, typical ) so i want to give them the Benefit of the Doubt before i whip out my eDick and start arguing like everyone else.
profi200 Completely understandable. I dont doubt you just making sure people dont come to wrong conclusions. I advise to just keep away from flashcards for the next couple days regardless if you can reflash it or not.

You have no clue. I can't even time stamp and claim double post!

Anyone that knows me on here knows that I am not keen on making generalized conclusions. I do make mistakes though, and I'm not perfect. Those mistakes are quickly corrected though once pointed out. Unless you're just plain wrong.