Hacking Flashcarts VS. Real Carts

[Frederica Bernkastel]

We can do cool stuff with flashcards and own stuff with real cards.
Hmm...
well they use more power.

 

[Panzer Tacticer]

I am unsure, and I haven't ever tried to experiment to see if it is true, but I am not so sure the use of a flash cart is user friendly on battery charge duration.

I can't imagine why it should be automatically less effect on the charge just because it is a commercially sold copy of the game.

But the benefits of a real copy over a download? I can't see why there would be ANY benefit beyond the same benefit there should be for ANY form of digital media.

If I can download it from somewhere, it becomes a marketing challenge to overwhelm my desire to get it "free" vs paying for it legit. What is my breaking point? is the only factor that matters.

I only watch movies in a theater if "I" feel it has to be seen on a large as hell screen.
Otherwise dvd is ok.
If I can choose between a 20 cent blank dvd and a downloaded copy or a 25+ dollar retail copy, it's an easy choice.

This applies to games just as easily.
I was ready to buy Advance Wars Dual Strike. Then I find it is out of print. That pissed me off. Because I KNOW I can still download it. But because Nintendo refuses to allow digital download of the game, I can't purchase it legit.
No, I do NOT want to wander the internet looking for old stock or used copies. I like brand new if I'm buying legit.
And Nintendo insists likely, that a digital download should have an equal worth to a retail copy. Why would they not think this way? It's the same thinking you will get from anywhere else.

So there it is. I am not given any reasonable option. No 75% of retail cost to get a digital download of the real thing straight from the owner. I either buy it retail and damned snappy if I want a copy, or Nintendo gets the finger, and I just put the rom on an easily managed flash cart option.

Case, manual, physical item are all not important to me.
Price is important to me.
Convenience is important to me.
Morality of my actions is not vital to me either. It's out of print, so they have decided they don't want to sell it any more at any rate.

I buy the occasional mega hit only because I am indulging myself. Sometimes I just want the real thing.

 

[Baroque Obama]

THE PRICE!!! This is truly embarrassing for nintendo because a good flash cart these days is LESS THAN AN ACTUAL DS GAME CART!. ROFL All of these and much more make having a flash cart so much better than having the actual cart.


The flash cart companies do not have to pay for any software development. I don't understand how it's embarrasing at all. It's not reasonable for a game cart to be too cheap as the developing company would not be able to obtain any profit.

QUOTE(Panzer Tacticer @ Jul 27 2008, 04:05 PM) So there it is. I am not given any reasonable option. No 75% of retail cost to get a digital download of the real thing straight from the owner. I either buy it retail and damned snappy if I want a copy, or Nintendo gets the finger, and I just put the rom on an easily managed flash cart option.

what i find strange is that you somehow believe you are justifed in pirating just because you are not offered a way of distribution you find appropriate.

 

[Baroque Obama]

in his situation, he says that if his way of getting games isn't either by some 75% digital distribution or some service deemed "snappy" by him, he believes he should be justified in pirating.

the usage of piracy as a way to get files unavailable to you is still technically illegal. (at least in the U.S.) in my opinion, its still immoral, but not as immoral as it would be if the media was readily available. i can swallow my pride for these types of situations though.

i won't lie. i pirate. i just don't try to justify it.

 

[BiscuitCookie]

I would go with the flash cards (cause you can impress people with it who do not own a flashcard)

 

[ojsinnerz.]

I don't agree with him, but I think that it isn't wrong to think that way. If you have no other means of getting something, for example, if I am looking for a song, but it isn't all that popular, I have no means of getting it on iTunes or on CD, I would pirate it. Perhaps it is a hassle to get games where he is from.

Afterall, the gaming industry seems catered to the Japanese and Americans, other than major releases, in Vancouver, there is no guarantee that you can find a game you are looking for if you walk into EB Games, in fact, most likely they won't have it. People from Vancouver seem to have a pretty big appetite for buying games, but always not enough stock. It is sad that when I am looking to buy a game, Toys R Us's are the best bet because EB is way expensive, and the only other sources are Best Buys/Future Shops (always out of stock of the games you are looking for) and things like Zellers (stock is always unpredictable). I mean sure when Zelda came out, it'll definitely be there, but if I am looking to buy Bleach DS The Blade of Fate, I'd probably have to call around for hours to find a store looking for it, not to mention getting Japanese games are damn near impossible.

Same here. I was planning on buying my friend Luminous arc (He LOVED fanservice, and liked the gameplay.), but Futureshop didn't have it. EBgames didn't have it, Bestbuy didn't have it, TheSource didn't have it, and any other electronic shops I've been to, they didn't sell it.

If the games were actually available, and were sold at a cheaper price, then I'd be stacking with games by now. But as of now, I have 3 games. I really like having a case, manuels, etc. It's just that it's so hard to find em, and even if I do find them, they're far too expensive for me to purchase.

 

[Raestloz]

heh, here there's no way people will buy original carts. Why, a Nintendo DS is always sold with a flashcart. You want it or no, the price is always the same, it's in one package

thus, almost nobody here have an original cart. Even if they do they have to be rich, as it's very expensive here

 

[ojsinnerz.]

By the way guys, I don't try to justify me pirating, I'm a pirate, I admit it.

@oj: Are you in Vancouver, because I remember looking for Luminous Arc after I beat the game, I love that game. It was impossible to find, it is ridiculous, I spent like a week going to quite a few shops, nada. Even now I haven't seen it in stores (not that I've been looking very hard). When Luminous Arc 2 comes out, I'll definitely be hunting it down, I want that Soundtrack CD

Yes, I am. I believe I've said that a few times before. Also, look at my location above the flag.

I visited ALL the electronic stores that sold DS games around my area, and none of them had it. It was surprising, because they were selling garbage games, like Imagine bands, and etc. No other Atlus DS games in sight, other than Izuna 1.

http://www.amazon.ca/Atlus-LA-40021-8-Lumi...3679&sr=8-1

Found one. LA2 pre-orders though. Can't believe I had to use Amazon Canada.

 

[suppachipmunk]

I for one love having a real game cart with the box and manual. I only buy the games that I know I will like. ie: zelda, pokemon, and Square-Enix games.

I get the rest online... I admit to it, but I cant justify doing it. I live in America where everything is available, but I choose to do things the easy way (the American way, lol).

But I will say that being a poor college student makes the decision (not the justification) that much easier.

 

[lonewolf80]

The only reason I prefer original carts over FlashCarts is the fact that you have the cool little game box and the manuals on it. Gives you the ability to show off your games as well, instead of saying, "Well, I have pwnzored tons of games.....on my Flashcart."

 

[DooDool Talah]

i love my flashcart. i would never trade it in for any number of games offered. lol maybe i am just addicted to pirating.

i hope the next nintendo handheld to come out gets hax0red in like 1 day so every1 would buy the flashcart they make for it.

Flashcarts are just the best thing to happen to handhelds. EVER

 

[Ferrariman]

I think that when I have the real game, I am more inclined to play it, because I spent money.

 

[g4med4d]

I bought a couple of real games when I bought my first DSLite. Have not got a flash cart yet but wanted to play the DS.

One major plus of a flash cart is that you can play games from other regions. Looking at the list of ROMs, it is obvious that there are much more choices of games from Japan. US and Europe games are still kinda limited as compared to Japan.

 

[Lumstar]

There's just a few games that don't run quite as intended on flash carts. Mainly those with custom hardware or need unique peripherals.

Most are fine.

 

[manobon]

does anyone have any 'actual' stats on how the pricing of a ds retail game (or any retail game) is figured out? Like, I Think it's common knowledge on how little of a retail music CD's price goes to the band/group/whatever that, you know, Makes the product...so maybe an analysis of this could help this discussion lead to a 'figuring out' of how to make official-downloads for a Nintendo-flashcart a decent option?

I mean, that still wouldn't eliminate the pure Ease of buy flashcart-> download game-> Done but maybe (like iTunes) it would 'combat' piracy eNough for the companies that make these products...

thoughts? suggestions? flaming? =^D

 

[xdzt]

For Nintendo, flash carts mean more money from me.

See, I received my DS as a gift and I played it a little, bought a couple games, but in recent years it had become little more than a paperweight. The discovery of flash carts led to me becoming a DS-junkie.

As a result, I am buying things (accessories, a DS Lite, etc.) that I wouldn't've even remotely considered purchasing pre-FlashCart. == $$ for Nintendo


As for which is better to use, flashcart or real cart -- I don't think there's any question. I find I prefer a number of Homebrew games to their commercial counterparts.

 

[golden]

For Nintendo, flash carts mean more money from me.

See, I received my DS as a gift and I played it a little, bought a couple games, but in recent years it had become little more than a paperweight. The discovery of flash carts led to me becoming a DS-junkie.

As a result, I am buying things (accessories, a DS Lite, etc.) that I wouldn't've even remotely considered purchasing pre-FlashCart. == $$ for Nintendo


As for which is better to use, flashcart or real cart -- I don't think there's any question. I find I prefer a number of Homebrew games to their commercial counterparts.

Wow, cool, this is a first. Would have never though. Flashcart=more $ for nintendo. That's pretty cool.

 

[Kaos]

I like my flashcart, because there are lots of games that never came out in Australia (Phoenix Wright 3).

Then there are games that don't come out in Australia for months, like Etrian Odyssey.

Without a flashcart, I would never get to play some of these games.

 

[littlestevie]

i prefer the original cart, flash carts have done alot of damage to my ds (turned it into a paperweight) put it simply.... i got bored

 

[golden]

i prefer the original cart, flash carts have done alot of damage to my ds (turned it into a paperweight) put it simply.... i got bored

Flash carts shouldn't brick your DS. What were you doing? Flash me isn't the flash cart's fault.