With all this banning madness going on, i couldn't find a direct answer for this Basically, the thing is i have 2 54420'd 360's at home, i.e. i can't request a repair from the website, and the warranty is STILL valid. Im sure we can establish that this means im definitely 100% flagged for a ban. Thing is, im hearing an awful lot of speculation that having a flagged 360 is like being on trial. Basically im still not exactly 100% banned, just half way there, i.e. if i do anything wrong like play a back up on live im done for. My question is here, that will i be immediately be banned as soon as i try signing in? And if i would remarkably was able to sign in, should i run a original on live for some time? No intention of pointing any fingers, but we all took the risk and played back ups on live, what on earth do you guys think that made MS detect us, my money so far seems to be on the games themselves nothing ixtreme based. Im also hearing that this October update really messed things up for some, if anyone can confirm this it would be great seeming as though i didn't update at that time. And for anyone that knew that they had a *54420'd* 360, and tried at least going to the dashboard, did you get banned? Thanks for any help/information.