DS #3512: Suikoden Tierkreis (Europe)
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SUIKODEN 2 is the best PSP(PSX) GAME EVER!!! AND NOW I CAN PLAY ITS SEQUEL FOR THE DS!!!!
SUIKODEN 2 is the best PSP(PSX) GAME EVER!!! AND NOW I CAN PLAY ITS SEQUEL FOR THE DS!!!!
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for anyone curious about my problems -- i deleted all the other game files off my microSD card (i had 30 mb left before) and then put this one on there. it worked fine. so i guess it must have been slowed down from excess? or out of space? does it use ram dumping on the card usually?
anyway. problem solved. when in doubt, get junk off the card i guess.
anyway. problem solved. when in doubt, get junk off the card i guess.
^ I was curious, but it didn't work for me. At least, the undubbed version doesn't work on AK2, it seems.
Wow. This has got to be one of the worst voice acting jobs I've seen in video games. Normally I don't bother with undubs since I'm not a stickler for Japanese voices (and usually I find most English dubs tolerable and playable), but this is too much. It sounds like the English dub for the Speed Racer cartoon, only worse.
And it's too bad since it really is a good game, but I fear most would get too annoyed with the voices to bother with it. Really hoping for a perfectly working UNDUB to be released soon.
And it's too bad since it really is a good game, but I fear most would get too annoyed with the voices to bother with it. Really hoping for a perfectly working UNDUB to be released soon.
Give it up. They're wapanese, and like to pretend that listening to something that don't understand somehow, mystically, enhances their enjoyment of a game that they've pirated. i.e. if they really understood Japanese they would've already played the Japanese version, but somehow moaning about dubbing, and playing around undubbing seems to make them feel better. (Learning Japanese would require more effort than moaning about dubbing, and generally trivial effort required to un"dub". [EDIT] I completely forgot about this site, http://www.megatokyo.com/ , but it pretty much applies, unfortunately. [/EDIT]Goshogun1 said:GreenBanana said:
I am at a loss of words regarding this statement, and kind of find it offensive as I love my language.Seriously? Spoken correctly, the English language can sound very interesting and certainly isn't "bureaucratic gibberish". No offense, but those who think that Japanese is the only language that should be spoken in games make me shake my head. Dubbed movies are one thing I refuse to watch, but games and most Anime I can usually tolerate unless they are outright horrible.
My question, is why not just learn Japanese, and play the import?
Anyways, the Suikoden games are pretty good. I found them back in the PSX days when I started buying just about every RPG that got released for the system, and found it to be much more enjoyable than I actually expected it to be. The earlier games I think were actually based around Chinese myths, but I never cared enough to ever bother looking it up. (I actually enjoyed the Suikoden games more than I did any of the Dragon Quest games that I've played, but only have played I&II GBC and VII PSX (unfinished). Also have VIII for the PS2, but only played a little of it as in addition to being part of a series that for some reason I never got into, it uses the ugly yet trendy cell shaded grafix...
That, and the dub of this game really sounds horrible. How can you not recognize that? The voice actors sound totally lame.cutterjohn said:Doesn't have anything to do with being "Wapanese", or whatever.Goshogun1 said:Instead of directly replying to this and continuing a discussion that has been fought to death since the invention of sound film I'll only quote what I wrote about that a few months ago:QUOTE(enarky @ Sep 7 2008, 09:08 AM)GreenBanana said:If there's information on which files will undub this sucker, please move them up above the first reply in this thread.
The English language just sounds horrendous and out of place in anything that isn't some boring bureaucratic gibberish. English is a language made more for following orders than for listening for enjoyment.I am at a loss of words regarding this statement, and kind of find it offensive as I love my language.Seriously? Spoken correctly, the English language can sound very interesting and certainly isn't "bureaucratic gibberish". No offense, but those who think that Japanese is the only language that should be spoken in games make me shake my head. Dubbed movies are one thing I refuse to watch, but games and most Anime I can usually tolerate unless they are outright horrible.
My question, is why not just learn Japanese, and play the import?
Give it up. They're wapanese, and like to pretend that listening to something that don't understand somehow, mystically, enhances their enjoyment of a game that they've pirated. i.e. if they really understood Japanese they would've already played the Japanese version, but somehow moaning about dubbing, and playing around undubbing seems to make them feel better. (Learning Japanese would require more effort than moaning about dubbing, and generally trivial effort required to un"dub". [EDIT] I completely forgot about this site, http://www.megatokyo.com/ , but it pretty much applies, unfortunately. [/EDIT]
Anyways, the Suikoden games are pretty good. I found them back in the PSX days when I started buying just about every RPG that got released for the system, and found it to be much more enjoyable than I actually expected it to be. The earlier games I think were actually based around Chinese myths, but I never cared enough to ever bother looking it up. (I actually enjoyed the Suikoden games more than I did any of the Dragon Quest games that I've played, but only have played I&II GBC and VII PSX (unfinished). Also have VIII for the PS2, but only played a little of it as in addition to being part of a series that for some reason I never got into, it uses the ugly yet trendy cell shaded grafix...
When I watch a movie that was created by Germans, shot on German locations directed by a German director giving directions in German language to German actors speaking German then I goddamn want to listen to what those German actors have said in the language this movie was planned and executed in.
A translation is always an abstraction on the original intent and I want this abstraction to be as small as possible. By watching a movie with subtitles I at least can grasp what the actors and the director intended by listening to their act, even though I don't understand the language they talk in. Expression of emotions is the same everywhere - I will get that. In a dubbed movie, on the other hand, not only the actual dialog gets translated and thus changed, but also the voices of actual actors, thus adding another level of abstraction. Not only the voices get replaced, but dialog in another language has to be fit to the movement of an actors lips, thus altering the original even more
Think of a translation of a movie or a game like a game of telephone (or chinese whispers). First dialog gets translated -> then it gets changed to fit lip sync -> then a voice acting director adds thoughts -> and last, but not least a voice actor acts out his impression of the actual dialog. And on each iteration information gets lost.
By watching a movie with subtitles the only layer between me and the original movie is the translation of the subtitles and my reading skills. Not some stupid voice actor who may or may not be capable of speaking like the original actor or a director who has had nothing to do with the original movie and may or may not interpret scenes differently from the original director. Chance is that a dub will be very good, but there's chance that it will be a major disaster, too. Bad thing is, you won't know that it was the actual dub that was bad - you just see that you didn't like the movie. Subtitles can be bad, of course, too - but there's much less opportunity to fuck them up.
To get back to the original topic: it is the same with computer games that were created in a foreign language. If there is voice acting I want it in the language it was intended to be.
NOTE: I am German myself. If you are going to argue that I of course will understand German movies because it's my native language than you most likely haven't understood what I wanted to say (most likely due to my bad english skills). Please re-read this post, replace the word "German" with "French" this time and think about it again.
Anyone got this to work on ds-extreme? I tryed the arm7 fix and both releases but nothing seems to work? Anyone got any suggestion? I know they stop producing firmware updates so that out of the question. Any other new fix i can patch the file with?
What's wrong with listening to the original voice acting? It was supposed to sound like that, dubs just try to copy the original dialogue and change it to another language. They will never sound as good as the original because they're, like I said, just copies.
No, I don't understand japanese, but why should I care? I want to play the game with the sound how it was supposed to be.
Maybe it's fine for some ppl to sacrifice the original voice acting just to be able to understand every word in battles and don't having the need to read, but honestly... I can't understand that.
No, I don't understand japanese, but why should I care? I want to play the game with the sound how it was supposed to be.
Maybe it's fine for some ppl to sacrifice the original voice acting just to be able to understand every word in battles and don't having the need to read, but honestly... I can't understand that.
Pretty sure there aren't any. There's no way they would've kept the game size the same while adding full voiceovers for five different languages... the language setting at the beginning just changes the text (hence, the subtitles on every movie, which change as well.)Trebuchet said:
Getting back ON TOPIC, instead of arguing pointlessly over a one-sided non-controversy (as is always the American way of always having an ignorant rebuttal ready)...I hereby declare a moratorium on the dub versus sub topic forever.
The status of the undub is as follows:
After leaving the first town the first time, apparently you enter a field area, that is NOT the World Map, just in case there is any confusion over this, which is understandable. While the music in towns and locations now works if you don't copy the hed file over (can't seem to find that exact post in six pages of nonsense), the world map music is, confusingly and sadly, reduced to nonsensical static blips, as inexplicable as that is.
So let's keep cooperating to that solution.
The status of the undub is as follows:
After leaving the first town the first time, apparently you enter a field area, that is NOT the World Map, just in case there is any confusion over this, which is understandable. While the music in towns and locations now works if you don't copy the hed file over (can't seem to find that exact post in six pages of nonsense), the world map music is, confusingly and sadly, reduced to nonsensical static blips, as inexplicable as that is.
So let's keep cooperating to that solution.
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