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While God has all the power in the universe (and probably more, but I can't really comment on this since I've never been outside the universe), there are some things He cannot do. He cannot act against His own nature, so questions like "can God make a stone so big he can't hold it" are invalid.
The rule forbids murder. It is distinct from killing because murder is killing without justification. This is why it's justified to kill certain criminals without becoming murderers ourselves.
A lot of this is not advocated by God himself. While some deaths have in fact been mandated by God, many have not been, and those who claim this are misusing His name. (We'd need specific examples to discuss this further.)
Are you saying that killing in the name of God is okay? That's how extremism happens. I fail to see what part of killing or murder is okay in any way. There's a reason why the death penalty was abolished in many states.
We sin. A lot (unfortunately). We've disobeyed God, and His standards are perfection. And the punishment for sin is death. "But what about all the good I've done?" someone may ask? Imagine a brownie. A marvelous, delicous brownie. Now let's add a tiny amount of dog poop. Not so appealing anymore, right? Unfortunately, that's us.
Brownies are inanimate, and don't think nor feel. They are not concsious living things.
Not to even start on the fact that punishment for sin during life is not death - it's either purgatory or damnation, according to your own text. You don't even understand your own teachings.
Oh, and having 'standards' implies god isn't omnipotent. Can't forget that.
Fortunately, God still loves us, in the way I love my cat even when she makes a mess or bites me, so God has provided a way for us to live, without eternal death. If the punishment for sin is death... the does it have to be the one who sinned? Thousands of years ago He told the Jews to sacrifice an animal in their place, to pay for their sin. This was only a symbol of what would come. In order for this substitution to work, He sent his Son to save us (who existed from the beginning, the specifics of this are a discussion for another day). His son entered this world as a baby, concieved by the Holy Spirit and a virgin (Mary). Jesus was raised from birth as a Jewish carpenter, performed miracles to prove his divine power, gave one of the, if not the most, influential sermons ever (the Sermon on the Mount), and was tempted by the devil to sin in many, if not all, of the ways we are. Because Jesus wasn't born into a sinful nature like we were, he managed to never sin, and was absolute perfection. Because reasons (the details of which are in the bible and are again a discussion for another day; basically Jesus denounced their bad practices, and there was some political stuff going on too), the Jewish leaders plotted to kill him. But this was part of the plan all along. Jesus willingly confronted his own death by crucifixion (on a cross), in order to pay for our sins. (To make it worse, he was almost killed by lashes from a whip beforehand, and what many people did to him around that time can easily be simplified as "torture".) He died in our place so that we can live.
You neglect the fact that Jesus was a very radical Rabbi and Christianity didn't exist until hundreds of years after he died. Not to mention the Romans crucifixed him - that was a Roman method of execution, not Judaic. History texts with factual history will corroborate this. Aside from that, tl;dr too long.
But that's not the end of it. While not many realized it at the time, Jesus is God's Son. Three days after Jesus was executed, God brought him back to life. Not only in this world, but eternal life, which He is offering this as a gift to anyone who wants it. All you have to do is believe that Jesus did in fact die on the cross to save us, and your sin is paid for.
Prove Jesus was actually God's son and not Zeus'. Dare ya.
The Big Bang is an effect, and it is outside the scope of science to attempt to explain the cause. Not only is it outside the nature of the universe as we know it, scientifically, any idea anyone comes up with is just a guess, because the biggest requirement of a hypothesis is that it can be tested. Any guess about this cannot be tested.
It is not outside scope. It is outside scope with our current level of science. Science is always moving forward. For example, we've proven the existence of dark/inert matter is not only possible but likely.
I believe that God is the cause. While I am not aware of any evidence that can prove this, there is other evidence indicitive of God.
One of these is the question of where languages come from. Evolutionists believe there is a common ancestor, using this theory, one would think language would be the same, right? One single language that became the ones we have now? Wrong! We have many different languages that are completely different from each other. To quote wikipedia, "The origin of language in the human species has been the topic of scholarly discussions for several centuries. In spite of this, there is no consensus on the ultimate origin or age of human language." The Bible explains this nicely: God told everyone to spread out, to fill the Earth, but we were like "naw, we like it here, let's build a giant tower that will keep us occupied here", so God invented different languages for everyone so that everyone would spread out, since different groups of people couldn't understand each other.
Mistake #1: Taking the bible literally. If you read it, read it like Aesop's Fables.
Language doesn't NEED an origin. We're all monkeys. Different groups of monkeys are going to develop different systems for communication if they're in different places.
While there might not be hard evidence for God's existence (at least, not to my knowledge), there is are various hints.
Hints are not proof nor hard evidence.
This world is a mess because we made it this way through our own sin.
If god truly didn't want sin to exist, it wouldn't. Point stands. He is not omnipotent. It's contradictory, unless god isn't nice and deliberately created a universe with cruelty.
If God made the universe, then everything else is simple. Don't try to overthink it. Compared to God, we're basically like my cat when she's watching me do something with my computer, not having any idea what's going on.
This is called sticking your head in the sand.
You wouldn't have a cat watching your computer if people hadn't experimented to domesticate cats. And she wouldn't be looking over your shoulder at a flashy screen without electromagnetism. Plus - you underestimate animals' intelligence. My cat happens to understand how to use an iPad, and my dog understands full english sentences. If evolution had taken a different path, we might all be Khajits.
If that's how you really feel, there's nothing I can do for you, but I think you might want to reconsider, since either way, it's eternity we're talking about.
Of nothing but eternal happiness? Bland. Call me a sinner if you like - I'll take my free will any day of the week. The second a human stops thinking, he dies.
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