When they're making profits equivalent to that, I don't see how that's unfair. That's just a really alarmist way of saying itJust a good reason the 1% need 99% of the tax burden.
When they're making profits equivalent to that, I don't see how that's unfair. That's just a really alarmist way of saying itJust a good reason the 1% need 99% of the tax burden.
Look at my edit. National and local minimum wage are two separate issues.Look inside my posts spoiler.
If the only two options are "it worked or it didn't," then it didn't. Things are a bit more complicated than that, though, and so much of that national debt came from corporate welfare under Reagan, as is tradition for the Republican party. For some reason the tax cuts alone are never good enough.I'm sorry, what? Either the economic policy works or it doesn't. We got higher tax revenue and some of the highest GDP in a long time. It's not the free markets fault Reagan overspent on military and the banks went nuts with interest rates.
If lowering tax rates =/= giving free money, neither does basic income.We're not giving free money. I don't understand what you mean. Lower tax rates=Higher Tax revenue.
Then you shouldn't be against a basic income.I firmly believe a social safety net is a good thing.
Look at my edit. National and local minimum wage are two separate issues.
If the only two options are "it worked or it didn't," then it didn't. Things are a bit more complicated than that, though, and so much of that national debt came from corporate welfare under Reagan, as is tradition for the Republican party. For some reason the tax cuts alone are never good enough.
If lowering tax rates =/= giving free money, neither does basic income.
Then you shouldn't be against a basic income.
Large-scale or small-scale, the only excuse for not raising the minimum wage is greed. Like I said, you and I have to foot the bill when corporations cheap out on wages.Eh, small-scale or large-scale the principals are still the same.
The facts are with me. Every time a Republican cuts the corporate tax rate we come out of their presidency much deeper in debt. I don't know if that's because they're fudging the revenue numbers or because Republicans can't stop handing out free money to the 1%, but either way the results are the same. Until we get a modern president to prove your theory that it's possible to cut the corporate tax rate without ultimately raising the national debt, I'm going to keep assuming the average worker has to be thrown under the bus in order to keep the corporate shitheels happy.Literally all the studies are against you.
Large-scale or small-scale, the only excuse for not raising the minimum wage is greed. Like I said, you and I have to foot the bill when corporations cheap out on wages.
The facts are with me. Every time a Republican cuts the corporate tax rate we come out of their presidency much deeper in debt. I don't know if that's because they're fudging the revenue numbers or because Republicans can't stop handing out free money to the 1%, but either way the results are the same. Until we get a modern president to prove your theory that it's possible to cut the corporate tax rate without ultimately raising the national debt, I'm going to keep assuming the average worker has to be thrown under the bus in order to keep the corporate shitheels happy.
Automation was always going to become an issue eventually, which is why a universal basic income will eventually become a necessity as well.So what's your opinion of self kiosk machines that are becoming popular in states with high minimum wages?
Honestly it doesn't even matter in the end, given that cutting the corporate tax rate provides no tangible benefit to 98% of this nation's citizens. The only purpose is pushing us closer to a plutocracy/oligarchy.Correlation =/= Causation
Honestly it doesn't even matter in the end, given that cutting the corporate tax rate provides no tangible benefit to 98% of this nation's citizens. The only purpose is pushing us closer to a plutocracy/oligarchy.
Not even the highest estimate is "12 trillion". Instead we pay taxes that goes into inefficient welfare that's constantly facing cuts by the people that keep increasing the debt in the first place. While giving tax cuts to the people who don't need it, rather than give money directly to the people that do need it.What.
UBI means everyone gets income.
Given to them by the government.
Am I missing something here?
Let me rephrase:
I believe in a social safety net.
For those who need it.
Im not going to pay taxes to a government that's going to spend 12trillion on giving free money to everyone. It's absurd and unsustainable.
We really shouldn't be waiting until it gets worse.Automation was always going to become an issue eventually, which is why a universal basic income will eventually become a necessity as well.
It is not even working right now. LinkThe facts are with me. Every time a Republican cuts the corporate tax rate we come out of their presidency much deeper in debt. I don't know if that's because they're fudging the revenue numbers or because Republicans can't stop handing out free money to the 1%, but either way the results are the same. Until we get a modern president to prove your theory that it's possible to cut the corporate tax rate without ultimately raising the national debt, I'm going to keep assuming the average worker has to be thrown under the bus in order to keep the corporate shitheels happy.
No, they won't be. Those people are just going to do some trickery and move to a different country.Not even the highest estimate is "12 trillion". Instead we pay taxes that goes into inefficient welfare that's constantly facing cuts by the people that keep increasing the debt in the first place. While giving tax cuts to the people who don't need it, rather than give money directly to the people that do need it.
You are not going to be paying most of the taxes for this, the ones that have higher incomes than you will be. Including the highest ones that don't want the minimum wage to go up even though they can afford it. One way to do it, is the VAT tax.
No, we really shouldn't be, but it's also not an option given who's in charge of government currently. Also it's unfortunate, but UBI will always be this "radical socialist/communist" idea to people until automation starts tangibly affecting unemployment.We really shouldn't be waiting until it gets worse.
When was the last time a Republican raised the minimum wage? And the US is mostly service jobs, corporations cut down to skeleton crews years ago. There's been no benevolent meeting between megacorps where they decided to raise the median (or minimum) wage to my knowledge, either. With the recent tax cuts most corporations just bought back their own stock.It actually does provide a tangible benefit, namely job opportunities and higher wages.
This "if we do blank, they are going to leave" excuse. Quite frankly, if enough of them leave (which i don't think is actually going to happen) because they actually have to help the lower class with a small fraction of their money and not this indirectly tax cuts nonsense, just so people can actually have basic needs met, let alone enough money to buy their stuff, then capitalism is going to eventually fail.No, they won't be. Those people are just going to do some trickery and move to a different country.
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Which means that yes, in fact, we will be footing the bill.
I don't think it has to be that far off, it only takes one president to turn things around. I mean, it is already taking jobs already.No, we really shouldn't be, but it's also not an option given who's in charge of government currently. Also it's unfortunate, but UBI will always be this "radical socialist/communist" idea to people until automation starts tangibly affecting unemployment.
On top of that, there would be a lower strain on the economy that would continue to exist, as the businesses that stay would, in theory at least, actually be paying for the public services that they were using, rather than leeching off of them while profiting off of their own productThis "if we do blank, they are going to leave" excuse. Quite frankly, if enough of them leave (which i don't think is actually going to happen) because they actually have to help the lower class with a small fraction of their money and not this indirectly tax cuts nonsense, just so people can actually have basic needs met, let alone enough money to buy their stuff, then capitalism is going to eventually fail.
Not to mention, if they leave, I don't see why they wouldn't get replace by other businesses.
Well, if I'm playing devil's advocate, then the obvious response would be, "get another job, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, etc." We'll hit another economic crash and recession well before UBI becomes the obvious choice, I give it at least two more presidents, maybe more if we elect another reality TV star.I don't think it has to be that far off, it only takes one president to turn things around. I mean, it is already taking jobs already.
I doubt most are going to pay much, let alone the ones that will try to skip on as many public services as they can.So here's a radical idea; make it so that businesses can choose exactly how much in taxes they pay, but they only get access to the public services they're actually paying for.
Right, work yourself to death and even have less time for yourself just because companies don't want to pay you a fair amount of money or lower prices in the first place. Meanwhile your health bills are probably going to go up due to stress, if you don't die from it early first. Not to mention, fighting both other people and automation to try to get more than one job.Well, if I'm playing devil's advocate, then the obvious response would be, "get another job, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, etc."
Or at the very least, people could work less and be less stressed.the hilarious parts is that if minimum wages kept up with inflation.. people would be making decent money right now, but because of the disparity of what people are making now, i can see how many people have their mind blown when they find out what this amount would be if it did.
Its coming faster than people think.Well, if I'm playing devil's advocate, then the obvious response would be, "get another job, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, etc." We'll hit another economic crash and recession well before UBI becomes the obvious choice, I give it at least two more presidents, maybe more if we elect another reality TV star.