Covid-19 vaccine

[Lacius]

and this includes the majority of black people refusing the vaccine.

A majority of Black people have received at least one dose of the vaccine in the United States.

 

[Foxi4]

How is this thread still going lol? How is the “COVID state of emergency” still going? We’re on Year 2 of 2 weeks to stop the spread, this is getting a little silly.

As far as I’m concerned, we’re 2 years down the line. There’s nothing “emergent” about the COVID “emergency” - vaccines are readily available and effective. Anyone interested in one should schedule a jab, otherwise we should all get on with our lives. It’s time for business as usual, especially considering the supremely low mortality rate associated with Omicron. There’s absolutely no point in continuing any of the restrictions - I’m told that the majority of people dying from COVID are unvaccinated, so as far as I’m concerned that was their choice (since they have a right to choose, same as with any other medical procedure), by the same token so are the consequences of that choice. Any thinly-veiled excuse along the lines of “stopping the spread” or “preventing mutation” is a ship that has sailed a good year ago - COVID is on track for becoming endemic and judging by the statistics there’s nothing the federal government, or anybody else for that matter, can do about it. It’s just not going to work, mitigation has failed, on a global scale - I’m okay with that.

I’m done, personally. There’s only so many “cares” I can give about a, for the most part, preventable disease. If people want to risk it, God bless’em. If they want to get jabbed, better still. I’ve stopped caring what people do about it in their personal lives, and I didn’t care much to begin with - at this point I only care about a return to relative normalcy and lifting any and all restrictions. They seem counterproductive at this stage and achieve nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[RocaBOT]

I'd agree with you if not for the fact that not all countries (and not all of us citizen, for that matter) have a care-level of 0 for our healthcare being overflowed again by people with the preventable (as you rightly stated) disease. We've seen enough people die of unrelated things for not being able to be treated because of overflowing covid cases, I'm done with that kind of thing for my part. So I'll wait for data showing this is not happening anymore (which is not the case in my birth country nor in my home country currently afaik) before being reckless, thank you

 

[Foxi4]

I'd agree with you if not for the fact that not all countries (and not all of us citizen, for that matter) have a care-level of 0 for our healthcare being overflowed again by people with the preventable (as you rightly stated) disease. We've seen enough people die of unrelated things for not being able to be treated because of overflowing covid cases, I'm done with that kind of thing for my part. So I'll wait for data showing this is not happening anymore (which is not the case in my birth country nor in my home country currently afaik) before being reckless, thank you

It is not being overflowed - it’s designed to run at capacity, and that’s what it’s doing. Hospital utilisation rate has remained pretty stagnant for years, in spite of any pandemics or other assorted disasters, natural or otherwise. There hasn’t been a year when ICU beds weren’t “critically short”.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/185904/hospital-occupancy-rate-in-the-us-since-2001/

This graph shows hospital occupancy rates between 1975 and 2019 - the rate is around 65% every single year. Do you know what it was in 2020? Have a wild guess. The system is *designed* to have an occupancy rate of around 65-75% on average, and that’s pretty much what it was. Having staffed beds sit idle throughout the year is waste, that’s why they’re short in supply, not because of any pandemic. In fact, the trend over the years was shutting hospitals down due to a *decrease* in demand. My local hospitals are almost completely vacant at this point since there was an increase of COVID patients, but an overall decrease in just about every other kind of patient there is since everyone’s masking and sitting at home unless absolutely necessary. They’re doing just fine.

Of course that means that sometimes patients need to be treated out of state, but that’s hardly a big deal. It is not uncommon to see occupancy rates in a given state hit numbers above 100% momentarily - that doesn’t mean that hospitals shove two patients into one bed, or multiply beds with magic. They simply find other means of care, including sending them elsewhere.

There’s that, and also the fact that I don’t particularly care if they were overflowing. For all I care, they can strap new beds to the ceiling. The capacity can be at 200% and I’d care equally little if I’m being inconvenienced for two years over something everyone can take a jab against, for free. We’re done, I’ve moved on.

 

[tabzer]

They have beds. They have space. The primary determinant of capacity is the amount of hired staff on duty (whom they fired after the last wave).

That being said, everyone should be aware that going to the hospital while having Covid dramatically increases your odds of dying.

"science"

 

[Foxi4]

They have beds. They have space. The primary determinant of capacity is the amount of hired staff on duty (whom they fired after the last wave).

That being said, everyone should be aware that going to the hospital while having Covid dramatically increases your odds of dying.

"science"

This applies to every disease. It’s an old joke - “I don’t want to go to the hospital, that’s where people go to die”. That doesn’t mean hospitals kill people, the correlation is real because people in hospitals are severely ill, that’s why they’re in the hospital in the first place, they’re liable to die more so than gen pop. It’s the equivalent of saying “I’ll walk to the store instead of driving, the road is where people die”. Yeah, no shit - your odds of having a traffic accident decrease drastically when you’re not participating in traffic. Use your noggin.

 

[tabzer]

This applies to every disease. It’s an old joke - “I don’t want to go to the hospital, that’s where people go to die”. That doesn’t mean hospitals kill people, the correlation is real because people in hospitals are severely ill, that’s why they’re in the hospital in the first place, they’re liable to die more so than gen pop. It’s the equivalent of saying “I’ll walk to the store instead of driving, the road is where people die”. Yeah, no shit - your odds of having a traffic accident decrease drastically when you’re not participating in traffic. Use your noggin.

I was being somewhat facetious. But there is a point that if you hang out in a disease-ridden queue for a test, you might wind up with the disease that you are in queue for. Hospital waiting rooms are a risky place to be.

Really, can't say that the hospital protocol treatment killed people or not due to the lack of alternative to compare to. Seemed like when we ran out of ventilators, things started getting better.

 

[The Catboy]

A majority of Black people have received at least one dose of the vaccine in the United States.

Do note, that user is an exposed Neo-Nazi

 

[Foxi4]

I was being somewhat facetious. But there is a point that if you hang out in a disease-ridden queue for a test, you might wind up with the disease that you are in queue for. Hospital waiting rooms are a risky place to be.

Really, can't say that the hospital protocol treatment killed people or not due to the lack of alternative to compare to. Seemed like when we ran out of ventilators, things started getting better.

When I went for a test, I was sitting in a car with the windows almost all the way up. I had no contact with anyone at all - I was given a test in a sealed envelope through a thin gap in the window, by an employee in full PPE, and that’s how the bag was collected when my test was complete. In fact, they didn’t even touch the bag once it was filled with my sample, it went directly into a biohazard container. Then again, that speaks to the testing methodology in Wales, not in the U.S., but overall if anyone needs a PCR done, I suggest the drive-through.

 

[Doina]

Thanks for sharing!!!

 

[Glyptofane]

Do note, that user is an exposed Neo-Nazi

And yet it's you guys who turned out to be literal fascists while calling other people nazis. Go figure.

 

[Lacius]

And yet it's you guys who turned out to be literal fascists while calling other people nazis. Go figure.

What do you think fascism is?

 

[Glyptofane]

What do you think fascism is?

The merging of state and corporate power with apparently quite a few witless, mentally ill toadies cheering it on.

 

[Marc_LFD]

I don't get why this thread has over 170 pages.

Medical information is private and if some have "pride" in sharing it, okay, but it's still none of your, mine or anyone's business about it. What's next, people sharing their bank account info? Come on.

 

[RocaBOT]

It is not being overflowed - it’s designed to run at capacity, and that’s what it’s doing. Hospital utilisation rate has remained pretty stagnant for years, in spite of any pandemics or other assorted disasters, natural or otherwise. There hasn’t been a year when ICU beds weren’t “critically short”.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/185904/hospital-occupancy-rate-in-the-us-since-2001/

This graph shows hospital occupancy rates between 1975 and 2019 - the rate is around 65% every single year. Do you know what it was in 2020? Have a wild guess. The system is *designed* to have an occupancy rate of around 65-75% on average, and that’s pretty much what it was. Having staffed beds sit idle throughout the year is waste, that’s why they’re short in supply, not because of any pandemic. In fact, the trend over the years was shutting hospitals down due to a *decrease* in demand. My local hospitals are almost completely vacant at this point since there was an increase of COVID patients, but an overall decrease in just about every other kind of patient there is since everyone’s masking and sitting at home unless absolutely necessary. They’re doing just fine.

Of course that means that sometimes patients need to be treated out of state, but that’s hardly a big deal. It is not uncommon to see occupancy rates in a given state hit numbers above 100% momentarily - that doesn’t mean that hospitals shove two patients into one bed, or multiply beds with magic. They simply find other means of care, including sending them elsewhere.

There’s that, and also the fact that I don’t particularly care if they were overflowing. For all I care, they can strap new beds to the ceiling. The capacity can be at 200% and I’d care equally little if I’m being inconvenienced for two years over something everyone can take a jab against, for free. We’re done, I’ve moved on.

Funny how you'd reply with a post about systems (plural), from a fellow european with only one example from the other side of the pond. Doesn't add much value. Yes that may be how it happens on your side, it's not necessarily generalizable everywhere. And the simple fact that we get over the designed capacity (which is a function of both space and number of healthcare workers available) shows there is a problem, which is arguably both with the design itself and the numbers reached in strong epidemic and pandemic times.
They're not "doing just fine" everywhere, you being so blindly focused on the US doesn't chance that fact.

 

[The Catboy]

And yet it's you guys who turned out to be literal fascists while calling other people nazis. Go figure.

First, I am an Anarchist and wish to dismantle the state. I also do not wish for a military state based on extreme nationalism. As well, can you quote where any of us (besides you,) have posted anything related to propagating “literal fascism.” You have a history posting neo-Nazi and white nationalist propaganda, slogans, and conspiracies. You’ve literally posted the fascist conspiracy of “White Genocide.” You don’t have any grounds to call anyone else a fascist.

 

[steamcheapcom]

soon

 

[Foxi4]

Funny how you'd reply with a post about systems (plural), from a fellow european with only one example from the other side of the pond. Doesn't add much value. Yes that may be how it happens on your side, it's not necessarily generalizable everywhere. And the simple fact that we get over the designed capacity (which is a function of both space and number of healthcare workers available) shows there is a problem, which is arguably both with the design itself and the numbers reached in strong epidemic and pandemic times.
They're not "doing just fine" everywhere, you being so blindly focused on the US doesn't chance that fact.

You’re right, it’s a different virus across the pond - speaks with an accent.

 

[RocaBOT]

That's not what I said, you're being very sassy today

 

[M7L7NK7]

Why is this godawful thread still open