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Lacius

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The tweet mentioned Christopher Key and his urine. Who is he and why is his pee so special?
Until those questions have been answered, it's fair to say it's a ridiculous claim. It's reasonable to say the claim is false until we're told why this urine differs from what we already understand to be true about urine.
 
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The tweet mentioned Christopher Key and his urine. Who is he and why is his pee so special?
Who is he? Literally some guy. Is his pee special? no. There's literally no reason to keep entertaining any idea that piss has medical purposes beyond expelled waste from the body. I don't understand why anti-vaxxors need to broadcast their watersports fetish and attempt to justify it.
FDA saying it's "possible" (page 16): https://www.fda.gov/media/143557/download
So has there been a spike since 2020?
You posted a lot of links but has there been a spike in heart attacks and strokes related to the Covid vaccine? We should be able to see a pretty clear spike.
 
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imo when people are forced or coerced to take a drug without informed consent, the standard of scientific proof of its safety and efficacy should be higher than usual. The usual standard of proof seems to be completion of a phase 3 trial in order to get approval, although the exact requirements vary by country. It seems FDA accepts epidemiological data in lieu of phase 3 completion since Pfizer hasn't actually completed phase 3.

And I don't understand why FDA approved Comirnaty but left Pfizer-BioNTech under EUA even though they are the same formulation:



Why not just approve both, or better yet why not just leave them both under EUA until phase 3 is complete? Everyone would still have access to them.

Re: efficacy


Pfizer CEO says 2 doses gives "limited protection if any" against Omicron, which sounds like <50% which if true would mean FDA's primary efficacy endpoint isn't being met and I can't see how 2-dose mandates would be justified.
What are you even rambling about? Have you read the thing and have you made a simple search on the name comirnaty?
Like, literally, Comirnaty is a shelf name for the mRNA vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech. You can find that info in less than 5mn with a very basic keyword search on Google or whatever is your favourite search engine. And the letter itself clearly states that the authorisation letter was reissued when Comirnaty got the full-on authorisation so that it would include both brandings, too, it's like end of first page/beginning of 2nd page. So it's not like they decided to keep one branding on a "lesser" status (seeing as both statuses are effectively authorisation for broad use and the final one supplants the emergency one anyway). I did not even have to read the whole thing to find out you're rambling on nothing mate.
 

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I'm not aware of this happening anywhere in the US.

I'm aware of it happening ubiquitously, here is one anecdote
https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uplo...the-president-of-the-U-of-Guelph_B.Bridle.pdf

So has there been a spike since 2020?
has there been a spike in heart attacks and strokes related to the Covid vaccine? We should be able to see a pretty clear spike.

The burden is to prove the product doesn't cause heart attacks -- please provide evidence of that. No drug is approved on the basis of "safe until proven dangerous".

A "pretty clear spike" may be:

1. 10,239 reports to VAERS of heart attacks within 14 days of being vaccinated [1]
2. "General acknowledgement" that VAERS is underreported [2][3][4]
3. PRR's for Myocardial Infarction exceeding CDC's threshold for signal detection [5][6]
4. A known link between myocarditis and heart attacks [7]


the letter itself clearly states that the authorisation letter was reissued when Comirnaty got the full-on authorisation so that it would include both brandings, too, it's like end of first page/beginning of 2nd page.

Authorisation ≠ approval. Please show where it says Pfizer-BioNTech has received approval.

And why would any of them need to be approved before phase 3 is complete -- why not just leave them under Emergency Use Authorisation until phase 3 has been completed? What's the downside?
 
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I'm aware of it happening ubiquitously, here is one anecdote
https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uplo...the-president-of-the-U-of-Guelph_B.Bridle.pdf



The burden is to prove the product doesn't cause heart attacks -- please provide evidence of that. No drug is approved on the basis of "safe until proven dangerous".

A "pretty clear spike" may be:

1. 10,239 reports to VAERS of heart attacks within 14 days of being vaccinated [1]
2. "General acknowledgement" that VAERS is underreported [2][3][4]
3. PRR's for Myocardial Infarction exceeding CDC's threshold for signal detection [5][6]
4. A known link between myocarditis and heart attacks [7]




Authorisation ≠ approval. Please show where it says Pfizer-BioNTech has received approval.

And why would any of them need to be approved before phase 3 is complete -- why not just leave them under Emergency Use Authorisation until phase 3 has been completed? What's the downside?
Did you really not read the thread before posting an entire essay?
The Science is developing mRNA injections to treat heart attacks caused by the previous mRNA injections. What a time to be alive!

Scientists discover world's first cure for heart attacks using the same mRNA technology as Covid vaccines
Clots can form from myocarditis and then result in heart attack or stroke. I shouldn't have to explain the entire process of heart disease. I guess you are only thinking of the instantaneous clotting associated with J&J?
 

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Did you really not read the thread before posting an entire essay?
Why are you still reacting in such an aggressive way when somebody is trying to make a point according to the rules you yourself stated providing links to sources to sustain their statements?

I find your aggressiveness unfair.

And the act of continuously asking for sources and precise citations in the one hand, and then trying to "downplay" (?) a post as an "entire essay" (suggesting it's unnecessary) when sources are provided in the other hand... I find that an act of hypocrisy.

Why do you do this? It's disrespectful and... Well... It disappoints me, but that's personal so who cares.
 
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I'm aware of it happening ubiquitously, here is one anecdote
https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uplo...the-president-of-the-U-of-Guelph_B.Bridle.pdf



The burden is to prove the product doesn't cause heart attacks -- please provide evidence of that. No drug is approved on the basis of "safe until proven dangerous".

A "pretty clear spike" may be:

1. 10,239 reports to VAERS of heart attacks within 14 days of being vaccinated [1]
2. "General acknowledgement" that VAERS is underreported [2][3][4]
3. PRR's for Myocardial Infarction exceeding CDC's threshold for signal detection [5][6]
4. A known link between myocarditis and heart attacks [7]




Authorisation ≠ approval. Please show where it says Pfizer-BioNTech has received approval.

And why would any of them need to be approved before phase 3 is complete -- why not just leave them under Emergency Use Authorisation until phase 3 has been completed? What's the downside?
This is not an example of people being "forced or coerced to take a drug without informed consent."

I have already corrected your points about heart attacks and the burden of proof. Were you not listening?

The Pfizer vaccine has actually received full FDA approval, not just authorization.
 

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Why are you still reacting in such an aggressive way when somebody is trying to make a point according to the rules you yourself stated providing links to sources to sustain their statements?

I find your aggressiveness unfair.

And the act of continuously asking for sources and precise citations in the one hand, and then trying to "downplay" (?) a post as an "entire essay" (suggesting it's unnecessary) when sources are provided in the other hand... I find that an act of hypocrisy.

Why do you do this? It's unrespectful and... Well... It disappoints me, but that's personal so who cares.
I didn’t mean to be aggressive, that’s an oof. But the reason was that there is context to the conversation that seems to have not been taken into consideration before writing a massive post.
 

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I didn’t mean to be aggressive, that’s an oof. But the reason was that there is context to the conversation that seems to have not been taken into consideration before writing a massive post.
Thanks for replying in a kind way.

Sorry if I sounded condescending, there's so much violence lately in the news, in the temps and everywhere, people shutting down conversation with violence too... It's driving me crazy.
 
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Thanks for replying in a kind way.

Sorry if I sounded condescending, there's so much violence lately in the news, in the temps and everywhere, people shutting down conversation with violence too... It's driving me crazy.
I feel that. I am actually dealing with some personal stuff in my life and might be more on edge than I realized I was. Should really just take a break for bit.
 
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I mean, as I just said...
Like, literally, Comirnaty is a shelf name for the mRNA vaccine produced by Pfizer and BioNTech.
They're one and the same. Different brandings because it did not have a commercial name before it was, well, commercialised, but it does not change the fact they are the same product from the same manufacturer and that one supplanting the other also means its authorisation level supplants the authorisation level of the other (be they approval or what-have-you), for all intents and purposes.

I do not know the specifics of the decision process of the US health agencies, nor do I need to for that matter (I do not even live there), but the phase 3 study by Pfizer and BioNTech for their (then candidate) vaccine first concluded in November of 2020, before the Comirnaty name was given to it for general commercialisation - which happened sometime before March 2021 as far as I'm concerned, since that's the name under which it was given to me back then already. While it is not a full closure of the trial (this phase 3 trial, like many others, is continuous and so will continue to make its results more precise over the years of actual commercial use), the results published at the time, based on tens of thousands of participants, were showing 95%+ efficacy on the initial variant at the time with little to no serious safety concern, which was enough to meet the standards of most health agencies over the world (including in the EU and US).
See here for their press release on the results back in mid-Nov. 2020 (remember the vaccine was still candidate and did not receive commercial name at the time, hence its tentative name BNT162b2, you can check easily that it is the internal production name for what is currently named Comirnaty)
 

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The Science is developing mRNA injections to treat heart attacks caused by the previous mRNA injections. What a time to be alive!

Scientists discover world's first cure for heart attacks using the same mRNA technology as Covid vaccines
Did you even read your own article dude? Shit is talking about how the mRNA technology is being used to generate healthy cells in the heart and essentially "regenerate damaged hearts". Nothing is stated about how this is in ANY WAY about how covid vaccines are "damaging hearts". Its about how the technology that was used to make the vaccines is being deployed to make different types of vaccines/cures. A concept that anyone with half a brain and some basic understanding of the research and development of the mRNA technology can tell you was always meant to be the end goal. This type of research has been going on since the early 90's and the recent usecase of the technology to help accelerate the development of a vaccine for covid is a result in its effectiveness as a viable form of medicine.

Did you seriously think that mRNA technology only existed when covid became relevant, and is only being used for covid? How fucking narrow minded do you have to be to believe that? Its a technology to help package and transit medicine into the human body. The original point of this technology was to explore the potential cures of diseases like HIV, Malaria and shit of that nature. It was always meant to introduce a new delivery method to the human body to help build immunity defense. The usecase of it for covid was an example of how well it could be used as a vaccine, and it has helped considerably in that effect.


If you folks are so rigidly against modern medicine, development and general health then please for the rest of humanity go gather yourselves up and section yourselves off from the world. Build your own isolated community/country and in a few years we can compare notes to see where the disease/death toll is at on both. At this point it seems the only thing viable and credible for those crazy's to want to prove they are right.
 
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Did you even read your own article dude? Shit is talking about how the mRNA technology is being used to generate healthy cells in the heart and essentially "regenerate damaged hearts". Nothing is stated about how this is in ANY WAY about how covid vaccines are "damaging hearts". Its about how the technology that was used to make the vaccines is being deployed to make different types of vaccines/cures. A concept that anyone with half a brain and some basic understanding of the research and development of the mRNA technology can tell you was always meant to be the end goal. This type of research has been going on since the early 90's and the recent usecase of the technology to help accelerate the development of a vaccine for covid is a result in its effectiveness as a viable form of medicine.

Did you seriously think that mRNA technology only existed when covid became relevant, and is only being used for covid? How fucking narrow minded do you have to be to believe that? Its a technology to help package and transit medicine into the human body. The original point of this technology was to explore the potential cures of diseases like HIV, Malaria and shit of that nature. It was always meant to introduce a new delivery method to the human body to help build immunity defense. The usecase of it for covid was an example of how well it could be used as a vaccine, and it has helped considerably in that effect.


If you folks are so rigidly against modern medicine, development and general health then please for the rest of humanity go gather yourselves up and section yourselves off from the world. Build your own isolated community/country and in a few years we can compare notes to see where the disease/death toll is at on both. At this point it seems the only thing viable and credible for those crazy's to want to prove they are right.
@Glyptofane link to the article is an interesting read. I wonder if this could also possibly pave the way for cures for people that suffers from any forms of CKD. That disease can be stealthy, sometimes no symptoms of having it. Really something needs to be done for CKD. Prognosis of CKD are on average, not good, or have short life expectancy at end stage renal disease.
Then again what do I know? I'm not a doctor.

It is recommended to get your kidney function checked up.
 

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… weird you were the person you wanted to defend “possible treatment” when asked to test out your own urine.. you refuse and now claim you don’t know who his is …

You aren't very bright, so let's spell it out. It's possible to disagree with both the person tweeting and who they are tweeting about. I don't have to agree with either, lol.

It's a ridiculous post.

Are you a democrat just because you don't want to be a republican?
 
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