Quietly following on the heels of the injunction ruling against Yuzu emulator that resulted in its removal and ceased development, popular Nintendo 3DS emulator Citra is following suit. Yuzu's parent company, Tropic Haze LLC, is also the owner of the development team for Citra 3DS emulator, and because of the recent ruling, Citra has also met the same fate. As of current writing, Citra has been removed from download on its official website, and the Citra GitHub repository has been taken down as well.

An official statement from Bunnei, a representative for both Citra and Yuzu, was posted on the Discord channel for Yuzu, saying that they never intended to allow piracy to impact Nintendo, and that playing games on "unauthorized hardware" is harmful, so development on both emulators will cease as of today. Citra's Discord server has also locked itself down, following the announcement.

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[Lumstar]

At the end of the day, it's the community that failed Yuzu. Most hides behind the mask called preservation but are just leeches and don't even contribute to the scene (dumping roms, submitting code, donations). This (Switch Scene) has been the most toxic emulation community I have ever seen. The rise of PC handhelds did not give Yuzu any favor.

If you're going to pirate, just say you're a pirate and be done with it. The constant "justifications" make the community look bad. Emulating a new release that'll sell millions worldwide is NOT preservation.

 

[lkfight]

Thank you YUZU and Citra Team

 

[Smoker1]

I understand in a way why Yuzu had to Shut down, since Switch is still highly in Current Generation, and still in it's Life. But why the 3DS???? That Console is dead, no Updates, no new Games, Services, nothing.

So when a System is over and done with, yeah, Preserve it, and make it work on other Systems. But with the Switch......might be a while before it is over with.

 

[Kerbastrar]

I understand in a way why Yuzu had to Shut down, since Switch is still highly in Current Generation, and still in it's Life. But why the 3DS???? That Console is dead, no Updates, no new Games, Services, nothing.

So when a System is over and done with, yeah, Preserve it, and make it work on other Systems. But with the Switch......might be a while before it is over with.

I don't see why preservation should pay mind to maximizing corporate profits in the digital age. Digital games are much more easier to be revoked if publishers or Nintendo ever choose to. With digital, you don't have the security of knowing that you have a physical copy that can't be taken away from you, and can for certain be copied in a decade after the console is discontinued. Hell, not even physical copies have that guarantee anymore thanks to how Nintendo designed the Switch cartridges

 

[NinStar]

There is something I have a really hard time trying to understand and I see a lot of people bringing up all the time, these being things like: "The emulator was paywalled", "It is emulating a console that is still receiving support".

This is a honest question, why does any of these things matter for so many people? As long as it not violating any copyrights law nor using code or binaries stolen from said hardware, what exactly is the issue? That very same case people love to mention as a counterargument whenever a corporation like Nintendo says "emulation is illegal" literally involved an emulator that was both commercial and emulating a system that at the time was still receiving support from Sony.

I should add that the "emulators shouldn't emulate current consoles" mentality is quite flawed and irrelevant as Nintendo can already use the pretext that you shouldn't emulate Super Mario Bros. from the NES because they offer it on their current gen console, and I highly doubt any of you guys would agree with this type of bullshit.

Personally I'm not interested in commercial emulators and I'll always advocate for FOSS, but this just seems like a weird double standard so many people have about emulators.

 

[Delerious]

Multi-platform can always provide more revenue. Nintendo could release games solely from their older consoles and still make bank. At the same time, they could also make Switch 2 on par with Steam Deck, so that almost every third-party game could still be ported to it. Those would be the optimal moves to make, anyway, which is why I'm pretty sure Nintendo will do the opposite lmao.

Actually makes me wonder....

If Nintendo has sold 132 million Switches, and they're getting 30% of third party game revenue from, let's assume, an avarage of four games retailing at $60 each, that's 2.376 billion from licensing.

Now, let's assume Nintendo themselves release 3 games a year on average for 7 years (the length of a generation) on PC, and 30% of that revenue goes to Steam. We'll assume an average of 2 million in sales per game, since some games will be more popular than others. Retailing at $60 each, and assuming Nintnedo doesn't participate in sales very often, but accounting for games that will be $70, we'll just assume $60 for the average cost, accomodating for the overall sales of their games. This is $42 they earn in revenue from Steam sales per game, time 2 million, time 21.... That's 1.764 billion.

Next, let's assume tghey make around 5 million sales on average per game that releases on their own console, which the average price being $60. 60 x 21 x 5 million.... that's 6.3 billion.

Now we'll assume that the PC market takes a share of 20% of sales away from the console market (because some people will adopt the mindset of "it's coming to PC eventually anyway"), which means we multiply the revenue from licensing and first part console sales by 0.8.... that brings licensed revenue down to 1.9 billion, and first party game sales on first party hardware down to 5.04 billion.

Finally, we'll compare the numbers and do some math....
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Total (theoretical) Nintendo-only revenue = 8.676 billion
Total (theoretical) Nintendo + PC (current Sony strategy) revenue = 8.704 billion

These are obviously based on some arbitrary numbers though. They also don't take Nintendo accessories and raw console revenue into account (which Nintendo is definitely profiting by now). Each metric could be drastically different depending on market trends, and there could be other figures and variables that I failed to consider.

 

[JackTheFroster]

yea fuck nintendo, not feeling guilty to hack their consoles. Their development in nowdays games also feel like they lost their passion. I'd rather pirate their games first to even see if i really can enjoy them anymore. The only game i really enjoyed in the switch era was mainly Zelda BOTW. nothing else really felt worth it. Had way more games on any other console, since nintendo lacks of Performance, making only Nintendo exclusives interesting. Emulation can hurt companies, i know, but nintendo handles it like a crybaby. The main purpose of emulation, at least for me, lies in improvements of graphics, performance and even more. Seeing this lawsuit and the ending of it feels just wrong.

 

[Xzi]

These are obviously based on some arbitrary numbers though. They also don't take Nintendo accessories and raw console revenue into account (which Nintendo is definitely profiting by now). Each metric could be drastically different depending on market trends, and there could be other figures and variables that I failed to consider.

What you're failing to consider is that they're making zero revenue from SNES, N64, GCN, and Wii games right now. Billions is always better than zero, not to mention digital multiplat doesn't affect the value/rarity of their used physical catalog. Meanwhile, a lot more people will be buying third-party games on Switch 2 if the hardware isn't prohibitively weak. More profit from both sides of the equation.

 

[AkiraKurusu]

I wonder how long it'll take for a competitor to get as good as Citra was...
Saying that, though, Citra's still quite good at emulating most of the 3DS' library, so we can make do until that point.

(hopefully that competitor can support plugins)

 

[Nynrah]

Shit, Yuzu was one thing, but losing Citra sucks. At least there's still Ryujinx, but I don't know of any equal alternative for Citra. How the heck are we supposed to play 3DS games that don't get remade once our 3DS hardware dies?

 

[whitesword7]

I wonder how long it'll take for a competitor to get as good as Citra was...
Saying that, though, Citra's still quite good at emulating most of the 3DS' library, so we can make do until that point.

(hopefully that competitor can support plugins)

doesn’t really need to wait for the competitor when the Citra code is already forked by a lot of people…

the question is who has the balls to continue updating it seeing they can be sued at anytime by ninty

 

[DragonMals]

While I've haven't been actively following up with the news regarding Yuzu and Citra's discontinuation, it's dissapointing for me to hear that Nintendo essentially killed to birds with one stone on popular emulators that a good of a amount of people used.

However, my question is: Why complain if there's Riujinx? The only reason I would be is that the other emulators (something Panda and another one related to milk) are overlooked and aren't as powerful and well developed as Citra. But now there's a possible chance that those emulators could be getting a massive attention spike someday. I literally joined the Panda one to see a ton of people joining the server when it was around 600 LOL but left cause I was just really looking at the states of the servers.

This does put a knife against the emulation community though, and although we know that this year is going to be rough already (too many controversies and deaths have happened), I'd still like to see how this community turns out in the future.

 

[PikachuPrincess23]

Why does this happen? first Yuzu and now Citra, I really liked that emulator since I could play free Switch games on my gaming laptop and the same goes for Citra. Now I have to keep the 3DS so that I can play 3DS games, even though I really want to sell it. I find it very annoying. Forte me to get the Wii U or Nintendo gamecube before Nintendo shuts down Dolphine and Cemu. Well, that gives me the reason to never sell a Nintendo switch again.

 

[InsaneNutter]

Why does this happen?

Not sure if serious, however you answered your own question. That is exactly why it happened:

I really liked that emulator since I could play free Switch games on my gaming laptop and the same goes for Citra

 

[PikachuPrincess23]

Not sure if serious, however you answered your own question. That is exactly why it happened:

Yes but it's sad now I'm forced to keep my 3DS and dont ever sell it. Since it only way to play Pokemon X&Y, Pokemon Ultra Sun&Moon, Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon gates of Time and many others cool 3DS games such as Stella Glow.

 

[Bladexdsl]

Thank you YUZU

for what running away with their patron money like cowards?!

 

[whitesword7]

While I've haven't been actively following up with the news regarding Yuzu and Citra's discontinuation, it's dissapointing for me to hear that Nintendo essentially killed to birds with one stone on popular emulators that a good of a amount of people used.

However, my question is: Why complain if there's Riujinx? The only reason I would be is that the other emulators (something Panda and another one related to milk) are overlooked and aren't as powerful and well developed as Citra. But now there's a possible chance that those emulators could be getting a massive attention spike someday. I literally joined the Panda one to see a ton of people joining the server when it was around 600 LOL but left cause I was just really looking at the states of the servers.

This does put a knife against the emulation community though, and although we know that this year is going to be rough already (too many controversies and deaths have happened), I'd still like to see how this community turns out in the future.

are you seriously asking why complain? 2 of the biggest emulator died on the same day and you are asking why complain?

who cares if the other emulator have less attention than these 2? that’s not the point

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for what running away with their patron money like cowards?!

are you forgetting the $2.4mil fine from nintendo? pretty sure they’re not running away with it

 

[Alexander1970]

Congratulations,Shitendo.
You are on the Way to overrule Disney as the shittiest Company of the World.

 

[PikachuPrincess23]

Congratulations,Shitendo.
You are on the Way to overrule Disney as the shittiest Company of the World.

Yes I'm disappointed of Nintendo right now regarding Citra but why do you dislike Disney so much?

 

[Alexander1970]

Yes I'm disappointed of Nintendo right now regarding Citra but why do you dislike Disney so much?

- Streaming Policy
- How they deal with "old" Disney Fans
- How they threat "old" Disney Stuff
- Wokeness in Disneymovies
etc. etc.
I loved "my" Disney from the first "Snow White" Movie until.....