CFW and Piracy. What do you think about them?

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wormdood

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again soft-modding your console to run homebrew code is legal, ... when i buy the console, i own any unique console specific keys
this is true if you live in the UK but here in the US it's not just because the keys are present on the console you purchased does not make them your property again smartphones like the iPhone are deemed akin to computers hence follow its rules gaming consoles are not akin to computers and laws have not caught up with them in that fashion so it is not legal to make these modifications
if modding your console was illegal, GBAtemp what have been shut down by now, as many modding and hacking tuts are hosted
a tutorial is protected under the First Amendment it is simply a piece of literature they're not giving U CFW but explaining to you how to get it yourself

you seem to act like you know what you're talking about, it's hilarious to me because you are wrong
I'm sorry were you practicing this line in the mirror cuz it seems like you wrote it for yourself you tell me stupid things like to Google something and all the results you show me I from forums where absolutely anyone is allowed to give a response if you want to prove something is a legal definitively then how about a legal document

plus i don't tell you how to write your posts so i'm not changing they way i write mine
yes you can keep responding to me in the same foolish manner all you want but I'm going to cut it here and I'm going to stop responding to you have a good day bro

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delisting is something the developer has to go out of their way to do, again, there is no extra cost to selling a new copy, and they most likely already made the money they put in back, so any sale after that is just extra money for no work
incorrect my man maybe you missed the news article gbatemp had about how Scott Pilgrim versus the world creator was pushing 4 years to get his game relisted I doubt he asked for it to be pulled and paid for it as you seem to make it sound like he would have had to
 
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incorrect my man maybe you missed the news article gbatemp had about how Scott Pilgrim versus the world creator was pushing 4 years to get his game relisted I doubt he asked for it to be pulled and paid for it as you seem to make it sound like he would have had to
that is an exception, not the rule since scott pilgrim was a licensed game, those are not the majority of games being released todat
 

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Show me your proof, where are sourcing your "facts", when I dump my xbox 360 cpu key, I can legally do so, as it is specific and unique, no two console use the same key, I'm allowed to have a copy, that key is physically stored on in hardware, which I own, the company doesn't have to support modding, but doesn't make illegal

First you say modding is completely illegal, I prove you wrong

Now you keep making excuses just so you can argue with someone who actually works as a computer/electrical engineer on a some internet forum.....

I don't care what else you have to rebute, its like I'm talking to a flat earther

First amendment only applies to people who are located in the USA and not other countries has nothing to with this

Modding a console doesn't violate copyright, or dcma
 
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that is an exception, not the rule since scott pilgrim was a licensed game, those are not the majority of games being released todat
man 1 makes point man 2 ignores it ... lol I can dig up more examples but to put in effort would be silly because man 1 makes point man 2 ignores it
 
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man 1 makes point man 2 ignores it ... lol I can dig up more examples but to put in effort would be silly because man 1 makes point man 2 ignores it
of all major unlisted games, only one of four was not licensed: Driver san francisco, and thats just ubisoft being ubisoft, the other three are Scott pilgrim, jojo HFTF and deadpool, all licensed, so they had to because they expired their licenses
 

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Okay one last time I will pacify your need to hear from me
First you say modding is completely illegal, I prove you wrong
you didn't prove anything wrong you're only proof we're Google search has resulted in Forum post Forum post

Now you keep making excuses just so you can argue with someone who actually works as a computer/electrical engineer on a some internet forum.....
now you work as a computer engineer or electrical engineer whichever it is that you're claiming when previously you told me that you were a software developer for Nintendo and a Bug Hunter please bro make up your mind

I don't care what else you have to rebute, it like I'm talking to a flat earther
that's exactly what I'm saying next you'll be telling me that you work for NASA

First amendment only applies to people who are located in the USA and not other countries has nothing to with this
that is exactly what we're talkin about I've stated many times in the US meaning in the USA this is applicable I've stated many times that your statements are only true if you live in the UK but not the first amendment the applicable to crimes that are only considered crimes in the USA think before you speak genius

Modding a console doesn't violate copyright, or dcma
did I bring up the terms copyright or dcma why are you even... my God you're still not thinking

Anywho I'm just going to add you to my ignore list and that's going to stop this argument right here and there once again have a good day bro
 
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Yeah you get a degree in something called computer engineering, to become a programmer, dipshit

I never said I was a bug bounty hunter, and yes I'm a nintendo dev, you keep making stuff up as you go


anything else to add to your butthurt report?

Ps: I Iive in the usa dipshit

@DinohScene is in the uk iirc, so he can speak on that better than me


You remind of this rush hour scene:
 
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CFW and piracy will always be together on modern systems as you cannot have piracy without CFW anymore. Gone are the days of flashcarts and modchips that work on stock firmware.

The problem is that the general public and lawmakers associate CFW with piracy because you cant have piracy without CFW helping out since unsigned code is required to enable piracy on modern systems.

Having devs that denounce piracy helps on the legal side of things to keep CFW from being shut down but it will always be on a thin line because of piracy even most CFWs out of the box don't directly enable piracy.

once again, this applies to modern systems like the PS4, Xbox One, Switch, and PS Vita that can't use external modchips or flashcarts to enable piracy without software modifications hence CFW.
 
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I'm probably the worst person on here to ask that

yes cause it allows alot of things cheats, homebrew ect

yes i pirate for the wrong reason i pirate first party to hurt them the reason? because of their "oh we must protect our IP from fan games" bullshit I'm sick of it why beat up some poor adult fuck even a teen in court for a Pokemon fan game? just put them on your payroll obviously they can make better games than the slackers you already hired but oh yeah their not japanese i can garentee you if the devs of a game was asian they'd hire them i swear the parent companies of Nintendo/sony are racist

yes i think its wrong to equate cfw with piracy same argument as the above people
 
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- ¿Do you use CFW?
Yes, but the extent and the number of times I actually use it these days has significantly decreased.

- ¿Do you think CFW is wrong?
No.

- ¿Do you think piracy is wrong?
Yes.

- ¿Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy?
I think it is wrong to think that every person who is using CFW is participating in "piracy", but I also think that it is naïve to think that CFW does not eventually lead to "piracy" at some point in time.

Modchips and Custom Firmwares have done a lot for me over the years.
The main thing I have used them for was to get around Region Locking. I know companies have had varying legal (and a few technical) reasons for implementing region locks, but I have always found them to be silly. And now, for the most part, game companies do not even seem to be implementing region locks any more.

Something else that I frequently used custom firmware for was for converting my consoles into pseudo media centers. Back in the day, I had a lot of media that I ripped or recorded myself (and let's be honest, a lot that I downloaded) and wanted a way to view it on my TV. At the time, connecting a PC to a TV was not convenient, so a console was the best alternative.
[I know ripping my own DVDs is also still controversial.]
This usage has also gone away (for me) with the advent of mini PCs, mobile phones and tablets, and the fact that consoles have streaming apps like Netflix, Hulu, Plex, etc.

The final way I used (and still use) CFW for was playing retro games on consoles (both home and portable).
I don't use it much anymore for this purpose, as there are so many alternatives for playing retro games these days, but saying that I've only used CFW and/or emulators to play games that I own or have previously owned would be false.
I no longer use that argument that I am "broke", therefore I will download a game/ROM and "Delete it after 24 hours". I buy retro games where I can.
But to be honest, there are just some retro games that I will never be able to play without emulation due to the fact that they are no longer available. Is that legal? No, but if a company wants to come after me for playing an obscure Mahjong game from 1995, then I'll take the hit. It's their right according to the law.

CFW has done a lot for video games and mobile device market.
It has allowed companies to see what features the "hardcore" gamers feel are missing from their devices and has shown them that many gamers still want to be able to play older games on their newest consoles.
(Though I will still never think it's right that some companies force you to rebuy the same retro games so soon on their next generation consoles.)

I can say a lot of this now because I have the money to fund my gaming and media consumption habits, but I'd be lying if I said I hadn't relied heavily on CFW and emulators in the past.

To sum up, I think CFW is and will continue to be important for the gaming and tech communities, but piracy will always be a direct result of it being available. Companies have the right to punish those who steal, and it is stealing, since playing a game you did not purchase or borrow legally is inherently illegal. However, I will never think that CFW itself should be illegal, because we should be able to mod hardware or software for our own personal use as long as it does not affect others.
 
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- ¿Do you use CFW?
Yes. Personally I don't use CFW for piracy/cheating online, I use it to have fun.
- ¿Do you think CFW is wrong?
I don't think CFW is wrong. Since its our consoles we should be able to do whatever. Its the same thing as replacing periods in our book with commas since yes its weird but its your book do whatever.
- ¿Do you think piracy is wrong?
Yes because of how much it can hurt the homebrew community.
- ¿Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy?
Yes.
 

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  • Do you use CFW?
    :arrow: In my 3ds/wii yes, not on my switch yet.

  • Do you think CFW is wrong?
    :arrow: No.

  • Do you think piracy is wrong?
    :arrow: It is but not the same as stealing. Anyway I pirate most of the games I can if it's safe for my computer or consoles. I also have no regret when it's from a multimillionaire company or if I already have bought the game somewhere else.

    Also my tought on piracy is it's better to pirate a game in the point of view of the dev than never play it. If I was a dev I would prefer to get the money but I also prefer to see someone playing my game than not at all.

    Every people have an opinion on privacy, It's obviously not legal nor moral but a large majority of the people I know just don't care. I think it's because it's not exactly as stealing because it's just a copy.

  • Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy?
    :arrow: No, everytime there is a cfw you will see piracy. I even think most of the people use them to launch pirated game even if of course it's not the case of everyone.
 
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  • :arrow: Do you use CFW?
Yes! OFW gets boring after a while and I want things to stay varied.
  • :arrow: Do you think CFW is wrong?
No! Not at all. After all, you've paid for your console and you should have the right to do what you want with it.
  • :arrow: Do you think piracy is wrong?
Not really :!:. I think you should do what you want. If someone does it then the person should expect the possible consequences.
  • :arrow: Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy?
Yes. A CFW is not a mean to run pirated games for the system. A CFW is a mean to run unsigned software.
I agree with @Urbanshadow on this point.
 
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  • Do you use CFW?
Yes because I love the freedom it allows you. I enjoy customizing every little thing about my devices.
  • Do you think CFW is wrong?
No. It allows for some amazing things and I hate when a device is locked to a single purpose because it is extremely wasteful.
  • Do you think piracy is wrong?
No. I think everyone here has downloaded an MP3 before, how is it any different for what you are downloading? And many of the games I pirate are games that I would never have bought in the first place, only playing them because I have the option to play them for free. Typically if I enjoy a game, I will still buy it afterwards to support the devs. I don't want to buy a game only to realise I don't like it, which is what happened with me for Hyrule Warriors. If many developers still released free demos, I probably wouldn't feel the need to pirate. It also does have a place in countries that have a poor economy and simply cannot afford games.
  • Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy?
Yes and no. CFW allows for so much more than just piracy, but it also enables it. Lets say your console is a farm with some sheep on it but you have a gate to stop the sheep from getting to a better part of your farm. It's like leaving the gate open and wondering why all the sheep are walking though it. Piracy is going to happen and there's no real way to stop it unless you lockdown the CFW but then what is the difference between it and an OFW.
 
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I am indifferent about CFWs, as for Piracy...It is complicated to say the least. Some people can't afford the stuff they pirate like me when I was a kid pirating PS2 games was the only way for me to get them. I lived in a very remote place that had no access to a legit source. Now that I can afford games and have no issues getting them I don't pirate anything anymore.
 

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Do you use CFW? Yes.
Do you think CFW is wrong? No.
Do you think piracy is wrong? Yes it is wrong. However I can understand why some people would. For instance if you want a game but find a physical or digital copy, then some people find a pirating site and get the game. I've been the same situation where I couldn't find a DVD of an anime so I watched it online for free. I've also tried out games and bought them if I liked them a lot.
Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy? Yes because they're completely different as far as I can tell.
 
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hello!

-¿Do you use CFW?
yes, all the time on my o3DS
-¿Do you think CFW is wrong?
hard no, cfw allows you to do something the original stock OS couldn't, so it's better to use
-¿Do you think piracy is wrong?
yes and no, it depends on how fucked up inflation is in your country, I use it occasionally to play 3DS games because it's very expensive here :( (i only get pc and mobile games legitimately)
-¿Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy?
YES. I've been in the r/3DS and NH discord server and a lot of people come in and ask about piracy. someone even said "why are you telling me piracy is bad in the hacking channel", it's pretty bad to automatically relate cfw with piracy
 

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*Do you use CFW?
Yes
*Do you think CFW is wrong?
No
*Do you think piracy is wrong?
Neither yes or no. I can afford to pay so I try to pay when possible
*Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy?
No, CFW does make piracy more likely but ultimately it's up to the end user if they pirate or not
 

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- ¿Do you use CFW?

Whenever possible. The homebrew community is frequently amazing.

- ¿Do you think CFW is wrong?

Dear god no! Why should we feel bad for expanding upon the use scenario of devices we have paid good money for.

- ¿Do you think piracy is wrong?

In a word, yes.

In a longer word, piracy has existed for almost as long as software has. Has the industry suffered as a result? To some degree yes, of course it has. Yet it has still managed to boom into a multi-billion dollar industry.

Your average punter in the street just buys games, it’s the way it has always been. The majority probably don’t know or care about piracy of software on the devices they own.

As an indie developer myself, I’ve been a victim of my software being pirated. Do I care? Not a jot. You learn one lesson fast, the vast majority of people who pirate software generally wouldn’t buy it no matter what, so why worry about a sale you never would have had in the first place.

Im happy when people pirate my software - I’ve never tried to prevent it. I’ve seen tens of thousands more people playing my games in the past than ever purchased it, y’know what, that makes me happy. It shows me that I’ve done my job right and made something people care enough about to pirate. And if that’s the case, it generally means I’m more likely to be making money from the people who don’t steal their software.

And for the record, yes, even I am guilty of borrowing a floppy or cassette back in the schoolyard days, to make a copy for myself.

I don’t pirate these days, with two exceptions - so, I guess that means I do :D but I have rules. I love CFW and carts and so on because I love fan projects and custom ROMs - but only if I actually own the original.
The other exception is for old software (really old), where the developers and publishers just don’t exist anymore. If I can’t track down an original copy, I’ll sometimes play a ROM of it, but who am I to pay when they no longer exist? Instead, I donate the money to cancer research.

- ¿Do you think is wrong to automatically relate CFW with piracy?

Absolutely. CFW and various other methods, are not immediately made available for the sole purpose of piracy. In most cases that’s far from the purpose intended by the person/people who open up our systems.

Piracy is a side effect of the work done to open up a system to perform functions it wasn’t designed to do. Want to run unofficial, unsigned software that expands a systems capabilities and pushes its boundaries? Awesome, but it will ultimately lead to people taking advantage of that goal in order to use software they haven’t purchased.
 
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