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Well, I didn't see a thread about it...so I hope I'm the first. What do you think about the recent celebrity molestation incidents... I'm not shocked about any of them there have been rumors about Spacey, Segall (?) (is he still a celebrity?), Weinstein and Louis C.K. forever. So I'm just pissed that Spacey came out after he admitted about him molesting or attempting to molest Anthony Rapp. Oh and I still think Alabama will make Roy Moore their next Senator although I hope otherwise.
 

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So I'm just pissed that Spacey came out after he admitted about him molesting or attempting to molest Anthony Rapp.

As far as I can tell Anthony Rapp said Kevin Spacey was drunk and all Kevin Spacey has done is apologised if it happened and admitted that it was possible because he was gay & that it sounds like he was drunk at the time.

If women can't give informed consent when they are drunk, then neither should we expect Kevin Spacey. It's a bit weird that a 14 year old Anthony Rapp would be at a party with drunk men, there is obviously more to the story than we know. We don't know if Kevin Spacey was legally culpable, however that is up to the legal system to investigate.

I don't get why people are upset that he came out. It's like they think he's damaging some form of gay brand, like every gay person is responsible for the behaviour of others. I find that attitude to be worse than what Kevin Spacey has said so far.
 

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As far as I can tell Anthony Rapp said Kevin Spacey was drunk and all Kevin Spacey has done is apologised if it happened and admitted that it was possible because he was gay & that it sounds like he was drunk at the time.

If women can't give informed consent when they are drunk, then neither should we expect Kevin Spacey. It's a bit weird that a 14 year old Anthony Rapp would be at a party with drunk men, there is obviously more to the story than we know. We don't know if Kevin Spacey was legally culpable, however that is up to the legal system to investigate.

I don't get why people are upset that he came out. It's like they think he's damaging some form of gay brand, like every gay person is responsible for the behaviour of others. I find that attitude to be worse than what Kevin Spacey has said so far.
No Anthony Rapp was only the first there have been like 5 or 10 other guys since then. The problem is that awful people will say all gay people are like this.
 

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I am really not a big fan of gossip and personally wish to either know the facts or not be involved. I know that sounds a bit off, but I don't want to jump on someone until all the facts.
For the people I've listed above (excluding Molester Moore) and Seagall...they all said that some or all of the accusations were true...so enjoy jumping!
 

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I don't get why people are upset that he came out.
It's because that Tweet was pretty badly written. He apologizes, explains it as drunken behavior, and comes out as gay in one breath. People are taking it as damage control. Why mention at all that you're gay, as you apologize for allegedly sexually assaulting a 14 year old? It has no bearing on the matter, and cheapens the entire apology. Not to mention that Spacey says it was just him being drunk, yet, there's still more allegations against him, and comments from many many people that he was a creep to others. Louis CK at least had the tact to apologize, without excusing himself. He fully understood it was bad behavior, and that he absolutely emotionally hurt the women involved from his actions. Apologizing doesn't fix it, but CK's tweet comparatively has more heart and emotion behind it. Spacey just comes off as apologizing only because he has to, and trying to distract people with the fact he's gay now.
 

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I don't have much to say on this topic except that I was really disappointed to hear about Louis C.K. He was one of my favorite comedians before this.
 

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UK wise it seems it has been going on for a little while longer. I barely follow news any more and this mostly seemed like more irrelevance that I could safely ignore.

I am all for a bit of muckracker action and time limits on actions get tricky and I can see a path to them being very long. At times I wonder if one leads to the other (I did some work for charity handling adults that went through such things as kids, there was a strong correlation between exposés and activity there and it falls in line with other aspects of psychology -- someone notable tops themselves and there tends to be a resulting spike, similar if someone decides to shoot up a joint) or if it is just a current fad in journalism as it sells clicks (it ticks most of the boxes in the introduction to sensationalism list).

The problem is that awful people will say all gay people are like this.

Oxygen thieves gonna be oxygen thieves. It is unlikely to see anything of great note happen as a result (if it is not already there it is done or just a matter of time). Why waste thought on the matter?
 

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I don't have much to say on this topic except that I was really disappointed to hear about Louis C.K. He was one of my favorite comedians before this.
Am I a bad person if he still is one of my favourite comedians after this?
I mean, if he did bad he should pay.
But I can't help it but still find him very funny. Conflicting.
 
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It's because that Tweet was pretty badly written. He apologizes, explains it as drunken behavior, and comes out as gay in one breath. People are taking it as damage control. Why mention at all that you're gay, as you apologize for allegedly sexually assaulting a 14 year old? It has no bearing on the matter, and cheapens the entire apology. Not to mention that Spacey says it was just him being drunk, yet, there's still more allegations against him, and comments from many many people that he was a creep to others. Louis CK at least had the tact to apologize, without excusing himself. He fully understood it was bad behavior, and that he absolutely emotionally hurt the women involved from his actions. Apologizing doesn't fix it, but CK's tweet comparatively has more heart and emotion behind it. Spacey just comes off as apologizing only because he has to, and trying to distract people with the fact he's gay now.
Thank you Chary for writing this. Plus it's also that Spacey helped use the closet to deflect allegations against him in the past so...it's biting him now especially that he decided to come out this way.
 

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Am I a bad person if he still is one of my favourite comedians after this?
I mean, if he did bad he should pay.
But I can't help it but still find him very funny. Conflicting.
It's up to you.I mean ALL he did was masturbate in front of women WHO didn't want to see him do that. SURE it's NOT Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein level bad. BUT.....
 

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Oxygen thieves

LUL I've absolutely ZERO interest about gossip, but this guy has TRULY a very STRONG, SINISTER but also CREATIVE WAY to insult/minimize other people's existence.

edit: but have u guys thought things from other point of view?? if all screenplays or plot were wrote by cough ''HUMBLE SHEEPS'' cough people, they would be as boring as hell... and no one would watch it...
 
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It's up to you.I mean ALL he did was masturbate in front of women WHO didn't want to see him do that. SURE it's NOT Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein level bad. BUT.....
Well, for me it is clear that even if I find what he did disgusting, I still find his comedy great.
Also IMHO his movie shouldn't have been cancelled. It should still be on show for anybody that wants to watch it.
Meanwhile he should pay in whatever way the law states, I don't think it is such a big crime anyway, I mean he is no Hitler, but sure there must be some kind of punishment... I am no lawyer anyway.

Well, perhaps now I will be under fire and called "misogynist" or something for stating that something as "pulling out your dick and masturbating in front of someone after you asked if that was ok" may be a crime but not as big a crime as big league genocide, but well, that's life in a PC world I guess.
 

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I don't know those guys, but, i'll tell you something that happened with a guy called Tongo.
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Yeah, this guy. (He doesn't do those songs seriously)
When the rumour started spreading, of him abusing young girls, everyone from the hispanic meme groups started defending him like dogs.
And even now that it's confirmed, people STILL defend him.

It's the fame. It gets to them and they feel powerful, because they'll have a legion of fans protecting them.
 
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Well, for me it is clear that even if I find what he did disgusting, I still find his comedy great.
Also IMHO his movie shouldn't have been cancelled. It should still be on show for anybody that wants to watch it.
Meanwhile he should pay in whatever way the law states, I don't think it is such a big crime anyway, I mean he is no Hitler, but sure there must be some kind of punishment... I am no lawyer anyway.

Well, perhaps now I will be under fire and called "misogynist" or something for stating that something as "pulling out your dick and masturbating in front of someone after you asked if that was ok" may be a crime but not as big a crime as big league genocide, but well, that's life in a PC world I guess.
His movie being cancelled is a sign of Hollywood and big media pretending to care, despite allowing this kind of trash behavior. From what's being said about CK, it seems there might be a statute of limitations on what he's done, since it (supposedly) was a long time ago. So he might not be to legally be charged for what he's done. Canning his movie is really the only punishment he can get right now, apart from people disavowing him for doing what he's done. Personally, I don't find his comedy too funny, but I respect the way he's handled this situation. CK is a beloved enough figure to be able to probably be able to put his movie back on the table in a few years after the smoke has blown over anyways.
 

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