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Okay I'm opening a can of worms with this one

Ex-Christian, self-identified Agnostic here, curious to actually have a discussion, or at least give a place here to share some experiences

Are you an atheist? A Christian? Muslim? Deist? Agnostic? Do you believe in following a communal religious practice?

Just speak plainly about what you believe, how it happened, how it has helped you, what do you do, etc etc.

And dont make this a discussion about current polemic political figures in a certain country, thanks
 
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Nope. I was coerced into the typical Christian thing as a teen, and just found it weird and creepy. I did give it an honest chance though.

So I'm a Nihilist. Outside planet Earth, nothing matters in the grand scheme of things. But with that said, I also don't need any magical sky daddy to tell me right from wrong or to believe in, when I can just believe in myself to achieve my goals.
 
Grew up Roman Catholic. I don't believe in any of that, but I will celebrate any religious event I'm invited to with the person who invited me, not because I believe in any of it, but more out of respect for the person who invited me. If you believe in any religion, I'll respect you and celebrate it with you, but I couldn't care less. I, myself, am basically an atheist.
 
Wololo?

I've left the catholic church long ago, not the least because of systematic cover-up by upper ranks clerics (bishops and above) of child abuse (psychological, physical, sexual) committed by some priests and systematically within church-run "educational" institutions.¹

After studying the Bible (and Quran) in pretty intense way the last few months (not finished yet!) I see my opinion on wide-spread religion and their "moral" or "holy" texts confirmed.
This can be found in the Bible:
  • Countless examples of Extreme violence/Murder/War/Revenge
  • A picture of an almighty God I would call blasphemous
  • Rape, including a man offering his virgin daughters to a violent mob
  • Cannibalism
  • Intolerance, including racism
If somebody comes around and tells me something like: "No, you have to interpret it differently: It means something else than meets the eye at first glance. You must not take it literally, historical context, etc" I can only laugh.
Such human-made(!) texts should not be the basis for "ethical" behavior in the 21th century.

It would be interesting what people would say if an LLM created texts similar to the real religious texts. I guess propagating such things would bring you in trouble with anti-hate-speech laws and could bring you in serious legal trouble.

Buddhism looks a little more sensible (have to study this more).
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Anybody may believe whatever they want. As long as they do not try to force their believes on others I have no problem with religion. It is a private decision. Sadly "spreading the word and convincing others" is part of many (not all) religions.

I'm agnostic.




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¹ Side note: I got a letter from them telling me in a long and euphemistic way that I'll go to hell if I to not repent and beg for absolution.
 
Some say "I'm not religious, I have a relationship with my Saviour" which honestly kind of tracks. Cultural Christians and "ex-Christians" have a hard time understanding due to missing that specific first-hand experience. While the evidence alone is compelling: The historical veracity of the Biblical stories as opposed to man-made religions (especially Islam and Atheism) - the forensic evidence of the Resurrection which doubles as history's first selfie, that even those who have actively tried to debunk it have admitted to failing to reproduce the Shroud in all of its Glory, from the radiation-burnt linen that produces a 3D image of a man to the blood spatters consistent with an incredibly torturous death to the pollen traces consistent with Biblical claims of the tomb's location. I spent twenty years trying to be an Atheist, and had to admit that there's not a single shred of evidence for the Atheist claim of a Godless world. So much so, that they retreat to the Motte of being agnostic when pressed. Ironically enough, Christians invented that term to cut Atheists off from their Motte and Bailey strategy in that regard, and pin them to their claims that God doesn't exist.

But the peace beyond understanding is real. It's not a thing you can put in a laboratory and test. It's not a thing that can be proven or disproven via the scientific method (also invented by Christians, due to their faith that the natural law was unchanging because the lawgiver is not fickle - go ahead Atheists, prove that the natural law is unchanging, and not just unchanging so far), but I can tell you that it is real. I even pressed it to see if it was a placebo, and He knew to leave me alone in my fear so that I knew His comfort wasn't just my imagination. The dreams that well-meaning Muslims who don't hate God like they're supposed to are having of Jesus as well, are far too many to be explained away by some mere conspiracy or group hallucination - at least not without serious evidence to those effects.

  • Countless examples of Extreme violence/Murder/War/Revenge
  • A picture of an almighty God I would call blasphemous
  • Rape, including a man offering his virgin daughters to a violent mob
  • Cannibalism
  • Intolerance, including racism

Anybody may believe whatever they want. As long as they do not try to force their believes on others I have no problem with religion. It is a private decision. Sadly "spreading the word and convincing others" is part of many (not all) religions.
Right, I want a crack at addressing this.

First point: if God is omniscient, then that means He knows exactly when mass violence is the best solution to quell evil, and when a kind word is the best solution. If He is not, then He is not God. This also means that His definition of evil is true, and yours is false if it differs from His. Jesus sat with prostitutes and healed them of sin, but also chased merchants with a whip and will drive out the wicked with an army of giant man-eating birds when He returns.

Second point: That's stupid. If He's God, then His picture isn't blasphemous. If He's not, then He's just an idol. The question shouldn't be based on anyone's understanding of ethics, but of the cold hard facts. He's either the moral lawgiver or He's a made-up boondoggle. There's no in-between.

Third point: God knew they'd ignore the daughters and wanted to make a point. They had faith that they were in no danger.

Fourth point: I've never seen this portrayed in Scripture at all, much less as a good thing. I'll re-read it, see if I missed anything.

Fifth point: Is racism inherently bad? Racism being inherently bad hinges on the idea that there are no differences between the races at all outside of their cultures, which was most certainly not the case for the potentially-mythological Nephilim, who were the inherently evil misbegotten offspring of demons. Perhaps the "cannibalism" you mentioned was actually the Nephilim's xenophagic behaviour towards humans. Not being human themselves, it would not be cannibalism.

Don't throw out Jesus because of Judas. The Roman Catholic Church institution had a pedophile scandal. This should be a good thing: it was a scandal. The laity were disgusted because such behaviour is wretched and degenerate. Whereas, what's the scandal when basically every Mosque on the planet has a similar problem? The scandal is that you're a nasty little Islamophobic racist for pointing it out. Pederasty was outright expected in the ancient world until Christian missionaries spread the ideas that pedophilia and homosexuality are wrong. Think of that what you will.

This is a matter of eternal significance if true. Spreading the word is either more important than anything else, or completely useless. And if it's the latter, Atheists would be able to prove it.

Islam is my religion.
Here's a good resource as to why Islam is inherently self-contradictory.
 
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No, but I went to Christian school when I was little. So I know to storys.
My wife is a Christian, we love to see old churches and burn a candles for the people that past away on our family.
 
I was raised in a very accepting and non-practicing Catholic family by my grandparents. Both believed that if Catholism was right someone, they will come to it on their own. I was encouraged to study religion growing up to find the best for myself. I considered Judaism and spent years studying it, but decided against joining it out of respect for the Jewish community in my area. At the time, they weren't anti-LGBT+, but they also found being part of the LGBT+ and converting into the faith might cause conflict with the local Jewish folks, so I respectfully parted ways. This is to say, they didn't hate, but they would have been more welcoming if I were born into the faith, then came out after the fact. I then studied multiple practices before landing on Satanism. I started with LaVeyan Satanism, but felt the practice was meaningless without giving any purpose to the rituals. Over the years, I've moved into being a rather deeply religious and Theistic, Luciferian Satanist
 
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Born LDS, raised LDS, still LDS. I like the focus on loving other people and just being kind to others. There's a whole can of worms alone just mentioning being LDS, but most internet misinformation tends to hit hard. I've been studying it for years from both first and third party sources, getting a feel for not only the text but the history as well. I like it, I enjoy my community, and despite what other people say, choose to stand by it because that's what I believe in.

But WG, aren't you bisexual? Yeah. I enjoy that this is a community with no problems with that. Everyone despite their struggles is still a human being, and it's our job to take care of them.
 
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I was raised in a very accepting and non-practicing Catholic family by my grandparents. Both believed that if Catholism was right someone, they will come to it on their own. I was encouraged to study religion growing up to find the best for myself. I considered Judaism and spent years studying it, but decided against joining it out of respect for the Jewish community in my area. At the time, they weren't anti-LGBT+, but they also found being part of the LGBT+ and converting into the faith might cause conflict with the local Jewish folks, so I respectfully parted ways. This is to say, they didn't hate, but they would have been more welcoming if I were born into the faith, then came out after the fact. I then studied multiple practices before landing on Satanism. I started with LaVeyan Satanism, but felt the practice was meaningless without giving any purpose to the rituals. Over the years, I've moved into being a rather deeply religious and Theistic, Luciferian Satanist

Well, in the fictional foundation of Judaism / Catholicism / Muslin, Lucifer is the one that wants to punish the evil deeds that humans do and for that he parts ways with his father/creator, so if any of the too many ramifications of those cults religions was really honest, they should praise Heylel and not fear him/her/it.

I think you made the right choice,
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Born LDS, raised LDS, still LDS. I like the focus on loving other people and just being kind to others. There's a whole can of worms alone just mentioning being LDS, but most internet misinformation tends to hit hard. I've been studying it for years from both first and third party sources, getting a feel for not only the text but the history as well. I like it, I enjoy my community, and despite what other people say, choose to stand by it because that's what I believe in.

But WG, aren't you bisexual? Yeah. I enjoy that this is a community with no problems with that. Everyone despite their struggles is still a human being, and it's our job to take care of them.
Sorry i could not help it. Its just a joke btw, i'm not judging.
 
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Well, in the fictional foundation of Judaism / Catholicism / Muslin, Lucifer is the one that wants to punish the evil deeds that humans do and for that he parts ways with his father/creator, so if any of the too many ramifications of those cults religions was really honest, they should praise Heylel and not fear him/her/it.

I think you made the right choice,

Ignoring the Mormon stuff (always funny), your upper comment is the reason why people should actually take a religions class in high school.

In mainstream Christianity, Lucifer is there to pull people away from God, not to punish them, but as a way to recruit them as a way to suffer with him. Satan/Lucifer/Heylel is in eternal damnation in his separation from God, whether it be in hellfire (Orthodox, Catholic, primarily Protestant) or a state of darkness and eternal separation (LDS). Pulling people away from God was always his goal. God's punishment is absolute, and the commandments, covenants, etc. found in scripture are the ways to ensure you don't get recruited to burn by Satan. To stay away from sin and to keep yourself on a path of holiness (which a lot of people nowadays confuse for pious pride. Love God, and love your neighbor, folks.)

In Judaism, Satan is actually part of God's will. Someone to test your character and strength. Judaism focuses more on life in the present world, so Satan's purpose isn't to bring you to a hell, but test your character. According to Judaism, everyone goes to Sheol in the end.

And in Islam, Shaytan or Iblis is the deity who betrayed God and, as such, was cast from heaven. Iblis was cast out for refusing to bow down to Adam (man vs. jinn vs angels ideology), and due to his violation he was kicked. Iblis asked God for a reprieve until judgement day, and spends his days trying to stray others from God's path in revenge. Islam believes in a judge of your character being the ultimate scale for if you are in Heaven or Hell (Jannah and Jahannam), so Satan works to get you off of that path.

Regardless of faith or creed, the ideology of evil is something to avoid. There is something to be said for most religions adding in some form of the Golden Rule. Love your neighbor as you love yourself, to say the Christian side. Any religious person fearing Satan is well within their rights to do so. However, it may be smarter to, instead of fearing him, cling to the ideology that you should work against him.
 

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