Are you religious?

[MPRTwice]

So now you resort to good old attempt to insult.

I guess when one based his ideology around a fantasy it's kinda difficult to argue with facts.

Can we all agree that most big game companies saying they are for customers is a fantasy to help us find something useful in common? I hate arguments but I have a way of defusing them, unlike that bomb called Metroid: Other M.

 

[JuanMena]

It's a complex topic, there's another brain area, the anterior insula, associated with religious experiences among other things. If you stimulate that area with electrodes you could trigger a religious experience.

I also remember another video (it might have been from Andrew Huberman, I can't remember) that mentioned how praying regularly can train your brain in such a way that a part of your consciousness gets dissociated and can feel like a separate entity, which could be a possible explanation for those people who feel like they can communicate with a god or similar entity through prayer.

Our brains are hardwired for magical thinking, religions are just organized forms of it, in a way it makes sense that they exist when you understand its neurological foundations.

I'm aware of the "God's Helmet" and again, it meant nothing to heavy "Atheists" as the supposed "religious experience" didn't triggrted in some people that considered themselves atheists.

If I'm not mistaken it didn't proved anything as the experiment was held with believers with the helmet OFF and still they immediately experienced a "religious feeling".

What it proved is that:
- Susceptible people more prone to believe in anything triggered the appearence of god with helmet ON and OFF.
- Atheist didn't had any kind of special reaction with helmet ON and OFF.
- Literally a placebo, the same as trying Peyote, LSD, licking a fricking Toad.

 

[Exnor]

Can we all agree that most big game companies saying they are for customers is a fantasy to help us find something useful in common? I hate arguments but I have a way of defusing them, unlike that bomb called Metroid: Other M.

Yes, in that we agree 100%

 

[MPRTwice]

I'm aware of the "God's Helmet" and again, it meant nothing to heavy "Atheists" as the supposed "religious experience" didn't triggrted in some people that considered themselves atheists.

If I'm not mistaken it didn't proved anything as the experiment was held with believers with the helmet OFF and still they immediately experienced a "religious feeling".

What it proved is that:
- Susceptible people more prone to believe in anything triggered the appearence of god with helmet ON and OFF.
- Atheist didn't had any kind of special reaction with helmet ON and OFF.
- Literally a placebo, the same as trying Peyote, LSD, licking a fricking Toad.

I get these arguments of christianity and athiesm all the time; it is exactly like the mcdojo vs. ufc arguments with me stuck in between.

I can say how Tae-Kwon-Do works, and anybody else can say they did more: "punching nonstop for three days", "deflecting bullets", "no-touch KO's", and "wrestled bears as a kid", but the difference is...I actually do what I say I can do; I actually met the UFC main actors and one-hit defeated them at their places off-stage, I actually broke bags with a wrist that was swollen and bleeding excessively, and I actuallly threw punches in a blitz even today with ten pound dumbells in each hand as if I was not holding any.

The difference is...who actually did it? many taekwando users say they did more and do nothing; many ufc actors are terrified to see me get lit up with twenty five pound metal dumbells in the solar plexus, drilled into my ribs, etc., and not even be hurt or bothered by them at all.

So the same for those debates: I cannot blame athiests for seeing christianity fail and never seeing Christianity just as I cannot blame the UFC actors for seeing taekwando fail and never seeing tae-kwon-do, attached.

If God be True, follow God. If athiesm be true, follow athiesm. Actions validate or invalidate words. I will follow God, and if I fail, then believe otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 535703]

So now you resort to good old attempt to insult.

I guess when one based his ideology around a fantasy it's kinda difficult to argue with facts.

No I just resort to rage baiting when someone isn’t tolerant. You haven’t changed my mind at all, but your intellectual deficit isn’t worth putting up the fight.

 

[TVL]

There could be a god, I used to "know" there wasn't, I've changed my mind but none of the religions have it right. I think it is to the benefit of the individual to be a believer though.

 

[The Catboy]

Ignoring the Mormon stuff (always funny), your upper comment is the reason why people should actually take a religions class in high school.

In mainstream Christianity, Lucifer is there to pull people away from God, not to punish them, but as a way to recruit them as a way to suffer with him. Satan/Lucifer/Heylel is in eternal damnation in his separation from God, whether it be in hellfire (Orthodox, Catholic, primarily Protestant) or a state of darkness and eternal separation (LDS). Pulling people away from God was always his goal. God's punishment is absolute, and the commandments, covenants, etc. found in scripture are the ways to ensure you don't get recruited to burn by Satan. To stay away from sin and to keep yourself on a path of holiness (which a lot of people nowadays confuse for pious pride. Love God, and love your neighbor, folks.)

In Judaism, Satan is actually part of God's will. Someone to test your character and strength. Judaism focuses more on life in the present world, so Satan's purpose isn't to bring you to a hell, but test your character. According to Judaism, everyone goes to Sheol in the end.

And in Islam, Shaytan or Iblis is the deity who betrayed God and, as such, was cast from heaven. Iblis was cast out for refusing to bow down to Adam (man vs. jinn vs angels ideology), and due to his violation he was kicked. Iblis asked God for a reprieve until judgement day, and spends his days trying to stray others from God's path in revenge. Islam believes in a judge of your character being the ultimate scale for if you are in Heaven or Hell (Jannah and Jahannam), so Satan works to get you off of that path.

Regardless of faith or creed, the ideology of evil is something to avoid. There is something to be said for most religions adding in some form of the Golden Rule. Love your neighbor as you love yourself, to say the Christian side. Any religious person fearing Satan is well within their rights to do so. However, it may be smarter to, instead of fearing him, cling to the ideology that you should work against him.

Imma be real with you, I will agree to disagree. As well, respect your opinion. My views on Lucifer and Satan are very drastically different from the Biblical/Abrahamic views. We would be here all day splitting hairs on this topic and just talking past each other. I'm not about that life.
Plus, I know you are a cool dude, and I don't need something like this making bad blood between us.

 

[Exnor]

No I just resort to rage baiting when someone isn’t tolerant. You haven’t changed my mind at all, but your intellectual deficit isn’t worth putting up the fight.

So you are trolling.

 

[Deleted member 535703]

Imma be real with you, I will agree to disagree. As well, respect your opinion. My views on Lucifer and Satan are very drastically different from the Biblical/Abrahamic views. We would be here all day splitting hairs on this topic and just talking past each other. I'm not about that life.
Plus, I know you are a cool dude, and I don't need something like this making bad blood between us.

Catboy this is why you’re my goat

 

[Skelletonike]

I'm a Catholic.
Was raised by my grandparents and aunt and they taught me to pray and stuff. I did catechesis for 10 years, later on I joined a christian group that followed Raoul Follereau's teachings and as such we often gathered funds and visited leprosy patients. I was also an acolyte for roughly 13 years (from 12 until I was roughly 25) and was a catechist for roughly 6 years, before that I used to be a helper for many years.

During my teenage years I had a lot of... Let's say.. Mental issues... Psychiatrists kept giving me drugs that made me numb to everything and psychologists didn't do shit. My faith did help me out quite a bit back then (I also met the girl I have loved the most thanks to church, unfortunately, due to my issues at the time, I wound up breaking up with her, I... wasn't in a good place mentally, unfortunately, following relationships have always felt.... hollow.. but that's another issue unrelated to this).

I was raised to get along with everyone, regardless of religion, ethnicity and so on.
Somehow, most of my friends have always been either agnostic, atheist or different religions, probably since the group I used to hang out with was mostly filled with alternative people, goths, punks, and so on.

Anyway, sorry for the long rant.

 

[The_Dizzy_Vizzy]

Wololo?

I've left the catholic church long ago, not the least because of systematic cover-up by upper ranks clerics (bishops and above) of child abuse (psychological, physical, sexual) committed by some priests and systematically within church-run "educational" institutions.¹

After studying the Bible (and Quran) in pretty intense way the last few months (not finished yet!) I see my opinion on wide-spread religion and their "moral" or "holy" texts confirmed.
This can be found in the Bible:

• Countless examples of Extreme violence/Murder/War/Revenge
• A picture of an almighty God I would call blasphemous
• Rape, including a man offering his virgin daughters to a violent mob
• Cannibalism
• Intolerance, including racism

If somebody comes around and tells me something like: "No, you have to interpret it differently: It means something else than meets the eye at first glance. You must not take it literally, historical context, etc" I can only laugh.
Such human-made(!) texts should not be the basis for "ethical" behavior in the 21th century.

It would be interesting what people would say if an LLM created texts similar to the real religious texts. I guess propagating such things would bring you in trouble with anti-hate-speech laws and could bring you in serious legal trouble.

Buddhism looks a little more sensible (have to study this more).
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Anybody may believe whatever they want. As long as they do not try to force their believes on others I have no problem with religion. It is a private decision. Sadly "spreading the word and convincing others" is part of many (not all) religions.

I'm agnostic.




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¹ Side note: I got a letter from them telling me in a long and euphemistic way that I'll go to hell if I to not repent and beg for absolution.

That's quite a list!

 

[mathew77]

I'm an atheist, and proud of it.
The religious as fact was good so on in Classical antiquity, maybe Middle Ages at most, but for now it's place only in hell, nor people's minds.

 

[MPRTwice]

I'd like to ask any nonreligious people in here to pray for me tonight. I so much wanted to drop; in pain, sick, and very tired with my life flashing before my eyes today: I remembered much of my childhood in exact video detail from decades ago, and I did not even recall those things for that long.

I'm done with the nonsense. I just don't care enough to worry anymore. That said I do not intend to ever take my own life nor lose any kind of sympathy and empathy for others; I just don't care enough to worry at all about their opinions on me doing my best and still finding fault with me, so much so that I did not bother to go to work at one of my shifts this afternoon after a request from a bleeding family member to stay home and take it easy after my main position today.

The context here is that I have Covid, back spasms, no painkillers, a family member who had pure bleeding due to an infection, and I am struggling to breathe with this bad air and pollen combination, yet did not miss a moment of work today, yet was still told to come in to an after-hours shift somewhere else, and I said "no" and stayed home per that family member's request, which helps _her_ recover very quickly and well because it led to her not worrying knowing I am aware of perfect timing as to when to go at it and when to rejuvenate.

Let's poke fun at ChatGPT also in the meantime, to see how I am "not enough" if the other shift manager dares to say it after all of that:

Shall I dare my adversaries to say I am not doing enough still, and that I am underperforming or a disappointment? Or to say I am lazy and incompetent? Or to say I am a disrespectful jerk who ought to die? Where are my critics now?