Hacking Anyone plan to sell Wiinja clones?

[Dylanwhat]

Do any of you have a programmer and are planning to sell Wiinja knockoffs if the code is extractable? I'd love to be your first customer!

Anyone think this is immoral?

 

[WarmWoollySheep]

Anyone think this is immoral?

Yup.

I'll buy one too though.

 

[nevixa]

Do any of you have a programmer and are planning to sell Wiinja knockoffs if the code is extractable? I'd love to be your first customer!

Anyone think this is immoral?

Why would you not suport the people who made it 'all' possible and go for some knockoff?

 

[WarmWoollySheep]

Isn't it obvious? Think about what a modchip does for a second or two.

 

[zeis]

Do any of you have a programmer and are planning to sell Wiinja knockoffs if the code is extractable? I'd love to be your first customer!

Anyone think this is immoral?


Why would you not suport the people who made it 'all' possible and go for some knockoff?

The Wiinja is a total ripoff. The code could've been done by any rookie programmer who has knowledge with PICs after watching the hacking conference. This chip is, if you not only pay for material but for the idea, not even worth a quarter of it's price

 

[Hooya]

Isn't it obvious? Think about what a modchip does for a second or two.

Most honest statement I may have ever read. Nobody should pull the "intellectual property" or "anti-theft" card when talking about modchips. Especially ones that only do what the Wiinja does. We all know what it's there for.

 

[nloding]

I'm planning on ripping off the Wiinja as soon as the hex gets dumped. I agree that it's simple, and the price high, but I'm not doing it because I want to take away from Team Ninja. I do support the scene whenever I can.

Besides, as soon as the Wiinja is released, not only will there be other mod chips on the market that are far superior to it, there will be better versions of the code the Wiinja uses.

 

[thegame07]

the guys are bringing you a solution to play backups on your wii. if your unhappy with it dont buy it. would you rather they did not release it. give the guys some positive feedback for being the first guys to crack it:-p

 

[andreq]

Hi, this is my first post but anyway... Ive been reading this forum for about 2 weeks now...but never posted.

Just to let you know I should be able to sell the "clone" chip if I can get the HEX...(and the PIC model... my guess is a Pic12C50x)

I would probably ask about ~$5 + shipping...

Anyway.... I just received my Wii yesterday and will probably wait for a better modchip....but if you ever get the HEX (for Wiinja) and don't have the hardware to do it.... just PM me and I'll do it for you for cheap

I don't want to be flamed for anything... I'm offering help
I don't want to make profit of this and I LOVE the fact that the Ninja team found a way to "hack" the Wii.
They deserve credit for this and I will NOT mass produce "clone" chip...
Actualy, I would probably buy a Wiinja if it was a little cheaper, but for now I'm waiting for a better solution.

 

[yatzr]

do you any of you guys know if the pic12FC50x would work as a substitute? I only ask because you can get those for free as samples from www.microchip.com (i believe you can get 6 per month). They don't do samples of the 12C's though. I don't know what the difference is.

 

[andreq]

12F = Flashable ... you can REwrite on the chip if you want to update your code (normaly used in a socket or with ICSP)

12C = Permanent... you flash it one time and you can't erase the code memory ...

I didn't said the Wiinja is a 12C50x ... it's only a guess...

 

[yatzr]

thank you andreq

a ton of other people have stated that it's a 12C508/9 too, so I figure it's a very good guess.

 

[nevixa]

Isn't it obvious? Think about what a modchip does for a second or two.

Most honest statement I may have ever read. Nobody should pull the "intellectual property" or "anti-theft" card when talking about modchips. Especially ones that only do what the Wiinja does. We all know what it's there for.

yeahyeah, it so easy to program a mod chip and I know the chip it selve is cheap....so...WHY are they the first (and for now only) team with a modchip?
Why don't you make a chip for 5 euro?

I'm not pulling the 'intellectual property' card, but I think you should encourage the teams that have the courage to make a chip.

 

[directive0]

Now I'm not saying one way or another whether you should buy a cheap clone or a wiinja, but does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this "support the chip manufacturers" argument HILARIOUS?

Guess there is some honor amongst thieves, or pirates anyways

 

[Hooya]

Isn't it obvious? Think about what a modchip does for a second or two.

Most honest statement I may have ever read. Nobody should pull the "intellectual property" or "anti-theft" card when talking about modchips. Especially ones that only do what the Wiinja does. We all know what it's there for.

yeahyeah, it so easy to program a mod chip and I know the chip it selve is cheap....so...WHY are they the first (and for now only) team with a modchip?
Why don't you make a chip for 5 euro?

I'm not pulling the 'intellectual property' card, but I think you should encourage the teams that have the courage to make a chip.

They're not the only ones (they were the only ones for about three days), and the other one isn't a direct clone, regardless of what other people will have you believe. I have no skill to code one of these any more than I can write a game for the Wii. But we're all pirates here.

I think that the team Ninja doesn't have a particularly good rep in the scene so when they charge as much as they are charging for their code, since the hardware is so cheap, people feel like it's not worth spending that much. I think there wouldn't be so much talk about ripping the hex or whatever if Ninja were charging maybe $30 a chip instead of $60. I think people are also not so interested in blowing $60 on a totally untested product for something that we don't even know if it's going to be a particularly long term solution. If Ninty does have something up their sleeve and this chip is useless two months after people buy it, that'll just be another tick against team Ninja in the scene's collective eyes, and we're all out $60 for their now debunked chip. Again, I think a $30 price point would appease people. It'll go down that much once there's some competition out there.

 

[nloding]

Firstly:

The 12C508 PIC Mod-Chip only requires 5 wires to be soldered to play both Wii and GameCube back-ups of the same region as the console for approximately $45 US.

I don't know the source for that, but that would mean that 12C508, 12C508A, 12C509, etc. are all compatible. I found that information on PS3News.com forums, but they quote it from somewhere else and didn't say who.

Secondly: the scene is relatively open-source -- the code that the Ninja team used to break the Wii's protection scheme, in my opinion, should be made public for people to improv upon and use, especially once the chip hits the market. Someone is going to dump it anyhow. That's how the scene works. If it weren't for this odd form of capitalism running amock amongst us hackers and pirates, we'd be stuck with the Wiinja and no other chips forever.

I don't fancy myself as being capable at all, but I do plan on seeing if I can do anything with their code. As will many others. I don't plan on selling any improvement that me or my friends may make -- the code will be freely available. Look at all the firmware available for the 360 drive ... free.

 

[Havocbean]

Well, not exactly correct - team cyclops is releasing a wii-chip next week.

And also - just because we mod our Wii's / gaming platforms does not mean we're pirates.
Lots of us just want to increase the functionality (run homebrew) of our systems.
Though, I can't say I am one of them (Arrr, matey) but you cant just generalize and say that when people mod, they intend to pirate.

 

[poisonousj]

in any market, you pay a premium to get the first of anything. and in any market, the first is always out classed down the line. i don't know why everyone is making a big deal about the wiinja being 'simple' and 'expensive'. of course it is. it's the first one out. soon there will be 'better' and 'cheaper' alternatives. that's how life works.

 

[111111111]

Secondly: the scene is relatively open-source -- the code that the Ninja team used to break the Wii's protection scheme, in my opinion, should be made public for people to improv upon and use, especially once the chip hits the market. Someone is going to dump it anyhow. That's how the scene works. If it weren't for this odd form of capitalism running amock amongst us hackers and pirates, we'd be stuck with the Wiinja and no other chips forever.

erm, that 'odd form of capitalism' you refer to is communism. Open-source and captialism are polar opposites. open-source is comparable to communism/socialism.

The scene is very closed source though - it's all about competition and who can be first. (not that the wiinja or cyclonix or anyone posting on a website are part of 'the scene' anyway).

 

[nloding]

By "odd form of capitalism" I was making a vague reference to Adam Smith's Invisible Hand that supposedly governs the markets. A similar concept is applied to the hacker scene, while still being open-source. And open-source is not a form of socialism.

I disagree about the scene being closed though. Some groups may be closed off from others, but there's a very, very large amount of sharing and helping going on. Yes, they compete with each other, but they do share what they find along the way; moreso than actual companies do in the real world.