Anyone have any information on "Chevrolet Sonic Kinect" *full game* on XBLA?

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Anyone have any information on "Chevrolet Sonic Kinect" *full game* on XBLA? Not the 4 free themes still in the marketplace. I've looked around and can't find anything descriptive on it. I'd like to add it to my Kinect collection, but I think it was delisted. Thanks!
 

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https://web.archive.org/web/20190919201311/http://www.abgx.net/xbox360_dlc_releases_alpha.txt has under DLC
2010-11-05 Kinect_Joy_Ride-Chevrolet_Volt-DLC_XBOX360-XBLAplus which was an attempt at making the volt playable as a test drive type deal in Joy Ride.
Nothing under XBLA (and all XBLA will probably have been dumped -- any demos can be trivially converted to full games and all games had demos) so where the full game aspect came in I don't know.

I see a few legacy news articles for both games, software and car fandoms mentioning the Volt stuff as well. Nothing mentioning the Sonic at all other than the theme stuff already there.

https://igcd.net/search.php?title=chevrolet+sonic also has some very obscure games where it is featured so I would have thought that covered it as well if it was an option.
 
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I just checked. I don't appear to have that game. I thought I had all xbla games, but I guess not. though, I don't have a kinect anyway.
 
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https://web.archive.org/web/20190919201311/http://www.abgx.net/xbox360_dlc_releases_alpha.txt has under DLC
2010-11-05 Kinect_Joy_Ride-Chevrolet_Volt-DLC_XBOX360-XBLAplus which was an attempt at making the volt playable as a test drive type deal in Joy Ride.
Nothing under XBLA (and all XBLA will probably have been dumped -- any demos can be trivially converted to full games and all games had demos) so where the full game aspect came in I don't know.

I see a few legacy news articles for both games, software and car fandoms mentioning the Volt stuff as well. Nothing mentioning the Sonic at all other than the theme stuff already there.

https://igcd.net/search.php?title=chevrolet+sonic also has some very obscure games where it is featured so I would have thought that covered it as well if it was an option.
Wikipedia says there were 719 games, although I don't completely trust Wikipedia. Oddly enough, it is the only XBLA Kinect game I can't find. Probably not missing much if it fell through the cracks. Thanks for looking
 

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I have 719 games myself, but that one is somehow missing, and I seem to have more indie games than exist, and yet I'm missing at least one. something is really fucked up.
 

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I have 719 games myself, but that one is somehow missing, and I seem to have more indie games than exist, and yet I'm missing at least one. something is really fucked up.
Archive.org has 747 xbla games listed with only a couple duplicates, so, Wikipedia seems to be wrong, unless I am missing something. Still doesn't include Chevrolet Sonic Kinect main game. There are over 2000 xbox 360 indie games. The 4 theme files are like wild animal droppings: You know the main game and demo were once there from the DLC, even though you can't find them.
 
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Archive.org has 747 xbla games listed with only a couple duplicates, so, Wikipedia seems to be wrong, unless I am missing something. Still doesn't include Chevrolet Sonic Kinect main game. There are over 2000 xbox 360 indie games. The 4 theme files are like wild animal droppings: You know the main game and demo were once there from the DLC, even though you can't find them.
I think it was @Hologram who told me that a 1TB torrent exists with the entire catalogue, including dlc. my folder is only around 400GBs, and I don't think it contains any dlc. I might seek that out at some point, since it must include the missing games. I'd suggest looking for it.
 

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I know I already went but seems digging deeper is in order.

Plenty of companies made themes that did not have games, DLC or anything like that available. Would have been similar idea to having posters or whatever for the kids in the eyes of marketing slimes (better yet from Microsoft's new piece of tech that surely can't fail).

Wikipedia has long been dubious, maybe not quite as incomplete as the likes of gamefaqs used to be for Japanese games, different names for the same game between regions being unconnected and release dates for non NA releases, and things like metacritic and opencritic still are for a lot of that (as a general rule for 360 stuff if you want to see if it is good check out how well it details shmups -- the 360 got a bunch of Japan only stuff that is really quite notable and many things miss it) but I far sooner trust the old Scene releases to be complete there as they were all about getting everything they can. The 360 scene as a whole was also quite exhaustive in getting things; unless it was a promo released only for a hot minute or a title update doing said same (see something like the Fable Halloween update) then they would have had it; they also spent untold sums systematically getting all the music DLCs.

You also have the option to search for things in case Chevrolet decided to pull a Sega vs Shining games on youtube a few years back and memory hole it.
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?page=2&sort_by=&term=chevrolet+sonic+xbox
Scanned through a bunch there. False positives (probably should do a more exclusive search) and haynes manuals (not sure who would want one of those past about 1995 but hey).

Going another way then we have the dat sets, outside of ABGX360 (different entity to the ABGX site linked earlier) then this was less prominent in the 360 scene than it was for the GBA and DS (and MAME obviously) but no-intro are good people.
https://datomatic.no-intro.org/index.php?page=download&s=57&op=dat
"Test Drive Unlimited 2 - Chevrolet Camaro Synergy Special Edition (World) (Addon)"
gets added to the list of chevrolet related things if we were collecting them (though https://web.archive.org/web/20190919201311/http://www.abgx.net/xbox360_dlc_releases_alpha.txt mentions it along with a bunch of preorder from given retailer DLCs).

About the only place I would go next is any internal listings from the companies themselves if they can be generated; if a list of acceptable games, update levels to certain games or similar can be generated then there is that. Don't think anything like that really exists for the 360 but I do usually find it comes more in backwards compatible devices looking to whitelist things and prevent their backwards compatibility being used for piracy. The DSi/3ds whitelist of pre RSA DS games being a good example of this in action, indeed I believe No-Intro mentioned above decoded it when checking to see if there were any v1.1 or whatever games.

At this point I am left checking archive.org copies of the main listing page
https://web.archive.org/web/2012011...c-Kinect/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d8025857099e
Seems a gamer picture got lost at one point. No mention of a game though.
As that is 2012 rather than 2011 (the Aveo coming out in NA as the Sonic in the same year, though marketing would have potentially happened beforehand) then we could try to go back further to see if the URLs changed schema before then (it would be around the time a few things got retools but I am also seeing other listings back in 2011 for other things there) and a game was lost. However at this point no mention on car or game enthusiast sites (beyond the free themes being noted) with several other mentions, no mentions on game listers that aim to be complete, no mention on piracy sites that also aimed for completion and were were within the systematic grabbing every piece of game content that was available (they spent a lot of time and effort making sure to grab all the music game individual track DLC, so much so I used to filter it out of my release posts, and as far as I am aware they paid for all those to grab them as well as unlike XBLA stuff there was no demo) regime; this was no more wild west PS1 days where everybody was doing their own thing from the local rental shop with their own preferred iso format.
Just in case someone thinks it might be one of those "only list the full thing if logged in" then seems not
https://web.archive.org/web/2012011...a-Kinect/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410b79 or indeed for the 2011 thing https://web.archive.org/web/2011062...a-Kinect/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410b79

It could have been some tech demo that leaked out the back door a la the Goldeneye stuff and a few things besides



However at this point I am thinking it was nothing more than a few virtual posters the marketing droids at car company for the kids to aspire to (suppose it technically would be a hot hatch so something kids might like) and them to tick on their "beep boop I am down with the kids" list. However if pirates, gamers, gearheads, kinect fanboys and content starved sites for all those, all of which were routinely plumbing the depths of everything in full autist mode (and 2011 being well within currently accessible websites and extensively archived aspects of the internet) for scraps of info for decades by this point never thought to grab anything, and we have contemporary examples of that sort of enthusiasm for things from the same company, then yeah I think I am going with it was never more than a few themes from the marketing slimes of a company.
 
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I know I already went but seems digging deeper is in order.

Plenty of companies made themes that did not have games, DLC or anything like that available. Would have been similar idea to having posters or whatever for the kids in the eyes of marketing slimes (better yet from Microsoft's new piece of tech that surely can't fail).

Wikipedia has long been dubious, maybe not quite as incomplete as the likes of gamefaqs used to be for Japanese games, different names for the same game between regions being unconnected and release dates for non NA releases, and things like metacritic and opencritic still are for a lot of that (as a general rule for 360 stuff if you want to see if it is good check out how well it details shmups -- the 360 got a bunch of Japan only stuff that is really quite notable and many things miss it) but I far sooner trust the old Scene releases to be complete there as they were all about getting everything they can. The 360 scene as a whole was also quite exhaustive in getting things; unless it was a promo released only for a hot minute or a title update doing said same (see something like the Fable Halloween update) then they would have had it; they also spent untold sums systematically getting all the music DLCs.

You also have the option to search for things in case Chevrolet decided to pull a Sega vs Shining games on youtube a few years back and memory hole it.
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?page=2&sort_by=&term=chevrolet+sonic+xbox
Scanned through a bunch there. False positives (probably should do a more exclusive search) and haynes manuals (not sure who would want one of those past about 1995 but hey).

Going another way then we have the dat sets, outside of ABGX360 (different entity to the ABGX site linked earlier) then this was less prominent in the 360 scene than it was for the GBA and DS (and MAME obviously) but no-intro are good people.
https://datomatic.no-intro.org/index.php?page=download&s=57&op=dat
"Test Drive Unlimited 2 - Chevrolet Camaro Synergy Special Edition (World) (Addon)"
gets added to the list of chevrolet related things if we were collecting them (though https://web.archive.org/web/20190919201311/http://www.abgx.net/xbox360_dlc_releases_alpha.txt mentions it along with a bunch of preorder from given retailer DLCs).

About the only place I would go next is any internal listings from the companies themselves if they can be generated; if a list of acceptable games, update levels to certain games or similar can be generated then there is that. Don't think anything like that really exists for the 360 but I do usually find it comes more in backwards compatible devices looking to whitelist things and prevent their backwards compatibility being used for piracy. The DSi/3ds whitelist of pre RSA DS games being a good example of this in action, indeed I believe No-Intro mentioned above decoded it when checking to see if there were any v1.1 or whatever games.

At this point I am left checking archive.org copies of the main listing page
https://web.archive.org/web/2012011...c-Kinect/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d8025857099e
Seems a gamer picture got lost at one point. No mention of a game though.
As that is 2012 rather than 2011 (the Aveo coming out in NA as the Sonic in the same year, though marketing would have potentially happened beforehand) then we could try to go back further to see if the URLs changed schema before then (it would be around the time a few things got retools but I am also seeing other listings back in 2011 for other things there) and a game was lost. However at this point no mention on car or game enthusiast sites (beyond the free themes being noted) with several other mentions, no mentions on game listers that aim to be complete, no mention on piracy sites that also aimed for completion and were were within the systematic grabbing every piece of game content that was available (they spent a lot of time and effort making sure to grab all the music game individual track DLC, so much so I used to filter it out of my release posts, and as far as I am aware they paid for all those to grab them as well as unlike XBLA stuff there was no demo) regime; this was no more wild west PS1 days where everybody was doing their own thing from the local rental shop with their own preferred iso format.
Just in case someone thinks it might be one of those "only list the full thing if logged in" then seems not
https://web.archive.org/web/2012011...a-Kinect/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410b79 or indeed for the 2011 thing https://web.archive.org/web/2011062...a-Kinect/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258410b79

It could have been some tech demo that leaked out the back door a la the Goldeneye stuff and a few things besides



However at this point I am thinking it was nothing more than a few virtual posters the marketing droids at car company for the kids to aspire to (suppose it technically would be a hot hatch so something kids might like) and them to tick on their "beep boop I am down the the kids" list. However if pirates, gamers, gearheads, kinect fanboys and content starved sites for all those, all of which were routinely plumbing the depths of everything in full autist mode (and 2011 being well within currently accessible websites and extensively archived aspects of the internet) for scraps of info for decades by this point never thought to grab anything, and we have contemporary examples of that sort of enthusiasm for things from the same company, then yeah I think I am going with it was never more than a few themes from the marketing slimes of a company.

After doing a lot of digging myself and seeing what folks like you on a couple different forums came up with, it is seeming likely it is the result of a clueless marketing campaign to make virtual posters that advertises both
the Chevy and the Kinect. Clueless in that calling it Chevrolet Sonic Kinect defines it as somehow involving or using the Kinect, which it doesn’t. Maybe it was supposed to and by the time they got around to it, the Volt was the priority, which they put in Kinect Joy Ride along with three other Chevy cars. Game Database listing it as a game didn’t help matters. It kind of reminds me of the movie State and Main where they were shooting an 1800s movie and had Bazoomerqng.com pit on the side of a building to raise another $100,000.

Thanks a lot for looking into this FAST6191 and everyone.
 

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