Any difference between XCI and NSP on a permanently offline Switch?

Discussion in 'Switch - Backup Loaders & Modchips' started by jimbo11, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. jimbo11
    OP

    jimbo11 Member

    Newcomer
    3
    Mar 15, 2009
    United States
    Assuming my Switch will never see the internet (I don't even have wifi information entered into it, except for LAN FTP - no internet connection) and I backed up my NAND before doing anything hacky, is there any difference between using XCIs and installing NSPs, given that I could restore from my clean NAND backup in the unlikely event that I ever feel like reverting all of this? Or do we not know the answer to that?

    Basically is there any reason I should be using XCIs instead of using CDNSP on computer and transferring and installing them on the Switch - from a safety standpoint anyhow?
     
  2. CrisFTW

    CrisFTW Your Excellency

    Member
    6
    Jan 10, 2016
    United States
    .XCI files emulate a cartridge off a SD card which have a slower time loading the game and in some sense can be undetectable (not 100%). Installing .NSP games into the Switch's internal storage has a faster loading speed time. CDN has a greater chance of getting your entire system banned. Which means no more installing system updates or game updates.
     
  3. jimbo11
    OP

    jimbo11 Member

    Newcomer
    3
    Mar 15, 2009
    United States
    Okay, but the question is whether there's any difference between the two for a Switch which will always be offline. I won't be installing system or game updates online because the Switch will never be online. And CDN isn't running on the Switch itself, it's running on my computer, which is where I will download system or game updates from, with public keys not tied to my Nintendo account or to my Switch, then transfer them to the Switch via LAN FTP or microsd card. What I'm asking is if there is any difference between NSP and XCI in this specific circumstance, under the provision that I never plan to go online anyway, and have a clean NAND backup if I ever decide I want to restore back to original and take the Switch online.
     
    Last edited by jimbo11, Aug 20, 2018
  4. Draxzelex

    Draxzelex GBAtemp Guru

    Member
    17
    Aug 6, 2017
    United States
    New York City
    When you restore your NAND backup, it'll wipe everything from your NAND. This includes updates, DLC, and most importantly any installed titles. This means you'll have to reinstall the NSPs (or restore a NAND backup with them pre-installed) after you restore your clean NAND. However, XCIs aren't stored in the system (except for their save data which you can easily backup) so they're easier to use after a NAND restore. So in terms of detection, the difference is meaningless if you're going to restore you're NAND which makes the difference a quality of life issue.
     
    Last edited by Draxzelex, Aug 20, 2018
  5. jimbo11
    OP

    jimbo11 Member

    Newcomer
    3
    Mar 15, 2009
    United States
    Thanks that's what I was looking for, the detection issue. Suppose I could have been more clear. I don't plan to be restoring from NAND often or even ever, basically only if I decide to sell the Switch, or if a future method comes out to allow un-banned Switches to play online without detection, that kind of thing. Just wanting to keep my options open and keep myself un-banned, even if it means instituting a self-ban by never going online.
     
    Redbaronjm and -----a like this.
  6. OkazakiTheOtaku

    OkazakiTheOtaku no thanks, I don't want a custom title

    Member
    8
    Jul 20, 2016
    Japan
    127.0.0.1
    On this issue, is there any difference in installing an NSP to Internal Storage vs. SD? I've been installing my NSPs to SD card but I can't really find an answer on whether there is a difference or not. This is a dedicated second Switch just for hax, so I don't care if it gets banned.
     
    t1op likes this.
  7. Halm

    Halm Member

    Newcomer
    3
    Jun 27, 2018
    Singapore
    I've installed NSPs to internal storage with tinfoil.
    No difference as far as I can tell.

    Regarding the NSP/XCI debate for a completely offline Switch (and not caring about bans), just whether you want to click on game icon and start playing or load the XCI loader to "load" the cart then click game icon to start playing.
    XCI also works with preventing people from accidentally loading the GalGun game if other people click on the game icon....
     
  8. Andalitez

    Andalitez GBAtemp Fan

    Member
    4
    Jul 2, 2018
    France
    Final Space
    Short answer : No
    Long answer : Negative

    Not sure why there's paragraphs for answers for this question.if it's always offline it makes no difference. No explanation needed
     
    Last edited by Andalitez, Aug 23, 2018
  9. Mr. Wizard

    Mr. Wizard Ending the spread of bullshit one thread at a time

    Member
    7
    Mar 20, 2015
    Canada
    E8 lattice
    Convenience. xci>nsp
     
  10. tides

    tides GBAtemp Regular

    Member
    3
    Apr 2, 2013
    United States
    no....all nintendo can do is stop you from going online...

    since you're not going online....stopping you from going to their eshop or anything don't mean a thing...
     
  11. nyder

    nyder GBAtemp Fan

    Member
    5
    Mar 6, 2014
    United States
    Personally I like xci's better because I can move them on and off my sd card easy. Quicker for me to just copy the file then to download the game from nintendo (like if I needed room and had to archive it). I also have my sd card set on fat32 so I have to swap out sd cards to install nsp bigger then 4gb, so that can be a hassle.

    I have a 64gb card currently, plan on upgrading that when the 256's fall in price.

    Just want to point out that I don't mind nsp, i just like the xci betters.
     
    godreborn and Mr. Wizard like this.
  12. jakkal

    jakkal GBAtemp Addict

    Member
    12
    Apr 27, 2018
    United States
    There are tons of eshop only games that will never be on game carts
     
  13. Mr. Wizard

    Mr. Wizard Ending the spread of bullshit one thread at a time

    Member
    7
    Mar 20, 2015
    Canada
    E8 lattice
    No loss there, 90% of them suck.
     
    noctis90210 and ganons like this.
  14. godreborn

    godreborn GBAtemp Guru

    Member
    10
    Oct 10, 2009
    United States
    that actually got me interested - the prices of a 256GB micro sd card. I already own a full size 256GB card for my wii u. I thought the price would be over $200, but to my shock, the price is less than $80. there seems to be a good one on newegg. :)
     
  15. Mr. Wizard

    Mr. Wizard Ending the spread of bullshit one thread at a time

    Member
    7
    Mar 20, 2015
    Canada
    E8 lattice
    Or you could get a 400GB for $160 but I don't trust Sandisk.
    https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultr...00G-GN6MA/dp/B074RNRM2B/?tag=androidpolice-20

    The 512s are almost here for $350MSRP.
     
    noctis90210 and godreborn like this.
  16. lonix

    lonix Member

    Newcomer
    3
    Apr 28, 2018
    Australia
    .nsp's are much more convenient, because you can install them to your system NAND and also you don't have to go into album every time you want to change games.
     
  17. Giga_Gaia

    Giga_Gaia GBAtemp Maniac

    Member
    5
    Sep 12, 2006
    Canada
    Quebec, Canada
    There is no difference between the two.
     
    Last edited by Giga_Gaia, Aug 25, 2018
  18. noctis90210

    noctis90210 GBAtemp Advanced Fan

    Member
    5
    Dec 24, 2013
  19. Mr. Wizard

    Mr. Wizard Ending the spread of bullshit one thread at a time

    Member
    7
    Mar 20, 2015
    Canada
    E8 lattice
    I've used samsung evo pro and pro+ in the past because they use to use MLC nand.
    Any card with MLC nand will last you a while. They are not cheap though but you get what you pay for.
    Want to cheap out on a sandisk TLC? Then don't expect it to last.

    https://dashcamtalk.com/forum/threads/microsd-options-including-mlc-cards.26035/

    So it depends on if you can afford a good card that lasts, or buy a cheap shitty card and expect it to crap out on you.
     
    noctis90210 likes this.
Loading...