Another Wii Update

[stev418]

was, nice that datel swaps to latest version. In australia we dont have a datel store and it doesnt appear that codejunkies UK or USA ship to other international regions

 

[Bob Evil]

Yeah im pretty sure they did. So maybe they can bring out another version of the wii Freeloader if the current one gets blocked. That is if it does not use the trucha exploit.

I'd be very surprised if it did ... they have been at this a long time now, and I'm sure they have enough contacts inside all the companies to be able to get at what they need to make their products work.


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QUOTE(stev418 @ Mar 23 2008, 04:39 AM) was, nice that datel swaps to latest version. In australia we dont have a datel store and it doesnt appear that codejunkies UK or USA ship to other international regions

Try eBay.

 

[shtonkalot]

Well after a lot of thinking i've come to the conclusion that this new IOS37 firmware will need an updated system menu to activate it. This will probably be the 3.3 update. There is no other way it can magically activate itself, especially if all current hacks are working. So basically we just need to dodge the next major update of the system menu and we should be ok. Only problem is Mario Kart will probably have this update included and need this update to run.

That is the impression I have.
Don't think I can work around playing Mario Kart though. Hoping someone can find something else to run modified game code by then. Maybe the TP hack will develop further before MK is released.

 

[mb01]

Well after a lot of thinking i've come to the conclusion that this new IOS37 firmware will need an updated system menu to activate it. This will probably be the 3.3 update. There is no other way it can magically activate itself, especially if all current hacks are working. So basically we just need to dodge the next major update of the system menu and we should be ok. Only problem is Mario Kart will probably have this update included and need this update to run.

That is the impression I have.
Don't think I can work around playing Mario Kart though. Hoping someone can find something else to run modified game code by then. Maybe the TP hack will develop further before MK is released.

Thankyou, good to see someone agrees. So it doesn't really matter if we update to the current one as we are all going to have to update for Mario Kart. Or find a way around the next menu update preferably.

 

[stev418]

was, nice that datel swaps to latest version. In australia we dont have a datel store and it doesnt appear that codejunkies UK or USA ship to other international regions

QUOTE(thebobevil @ Mar 23 2008, 05:40 AM) Try eBay.

Na

I only sell on ebay - to expensive to buy - we have shops with them, but still wouldn't be able to send in to datel to be updated, I still own a freeloader 1.06, just had to buy a 1.06B as well.

 

[shtonkalot]

Thankyou, good to see someone agrees. So it doesn't really matter if we update to the current one as we are all going to have to update for Mario Kart. Or find a way around the next menu update preferably.

I agree with what you said before but I'm not so sure that it "doesn't really matter if we update to the current [system update]" though.
I'm fairly sure it won't matter but certainly not sure enough to tell others that it's OK.
I myself have the WiiWare update but have avoided this one for the moment.

 

[MrMorden]

The question now is - does Nintendo have a way to block scrubbed discs or are they working towards that as well?

 

[stev418]

The question now is - does Nintendo have a way to block scrubbed discs or are they working towards that as well?

From what I understand NO, as the fill data is not signed.

 

[mb01]

Thankyou, good to see someone agrees. So it doesn't really matter if we update to the current one as we are all going to have to update for Mario Kart. Or find a way around the next menu update preferably.

I agree with what you said before but I'm not so sure that it "doesn't really matter if we update to the current [system update]" though.
I'm fairly sure it won't matter but certainly not sure enough to tell others that it's OK.
I myself have the WiiWare update but have avoided this one for the moment.

Definately. I would not recommend to anyone to do the update, but it may settle some peoples nerves to know they should be safe until the next major update as everyone is going to have to find a way around it if they still want to use Trucha.

 

[shtonkalot]

The question now is - does Nintendo have a way to block scrubbed discs or are they working towards that as well?

From what I understand NO, as the fill data is not signed.

Nintendo could be looking into blocking scrubbed discs but there is no way to tell. It's apparent that so far they haven't blocked them but that doesn't mean they can't.
Even if the fill (garbage/dummy/whatever) data isn't signed it doesn't mean it can't be detected. If the data differs on a backup compared to an original then it may POSSIBLY be detected.
I don't know enough about the Wii's system to say whether it is definitely possible for the Wii to read such info, likewise I don't know enough about Nintendo's policies and internal business decisions to know whether or not they'd bother looking.

To answer your questions specifically: Maybe and possibly

 

[whatsa]

There is a way to beat this, there always is. We can't let them win.

EDIT: This is probably old news, but I was just talking to bushing, and apparently the verification process for updates is subject to the same bug that the IOS37 update will break. So it should be quite possible to modify the update code to remove the malignant bit, sign the update with the 'trucha' bug, and then use it to run mariokart, as far as I can see. Of course, this would probably mean doing this to every future update until another solution is found.

 

[Giga_Gaia]

Why wouldn't you update for Mario Kart? Hell, I always keep my Wii on latest firmware up to date, I just copy the game, put it in, it works. You don't need Trucha signer to copy games and play them burned.

 

[awofadeju]

Sorry 2 sound noobish but how have they gathered all this info from the update, i mean they say is not active until a new firmware is released, but for them 2 know what the update does and affect our wii doesnt that mean it must have already been activated into affect and f*ucked someone wii up already??

 

[mb01]

Why wouldn't you update for Mario Kart? Hell, I always keep my Wii on latest firmware up to date, I just copy the game, put it in, it works. You don't need Trucha signer to copy games and play them burned.

Well for us PAL users Trucha Signer comes in very useful for changing video modes for games that do not work on PAL natively. Also mods like Manhunt 2 uncensored, removing ERROR 001, and changing Jap languages to English. I would be very unhappy if i couldn't use Trucha anymore.

 

[ccfman2004]

That's okay as long you never want to play modified games or other homebrew that uses the trucha signer.

I too normally keep my wii up to date, but with this news I won't update until a workaround is discovered.

 

[whatsa]

Sorry 2 sound noobish but how have they gathered all this info from the update, i mean they say is not active until a new firmware is released, but for them 2 know what the update does and affect our wii doesnt that mean it must have already been activated into affect and f*ucked someone wii up already??

By going through the code, disassembled. Bushing did it.

http://wiibrew.org/index.php?title=IOS37 has just been updated with a Q&A, talks about the thing I said above. There is hope!

 

[ccfman2004]

Sorry 2 sound noobish but how have they gathered all this info from the update, i mean they say is not active until a new firmware is released, but for them 2 know what the update does and affect our wii doesnt that mean it must have already been activated into affect and f*ucked someone wii up already??

It is possible that they know someone on the inside that told them about this update or they may have set up their computer to be able to download Wii update files and then they inspect them.

It is also conceivable that they are able to analyze what IOS files a Wii has and can upload them to a computer.

In any event, this shows that nintendo wants to put a stop to homebrew and game backups.

 

[awofadeju]

Ok i know this probaly ahs been said over and over but i updated myw ii on the 21st or 22nd i think..dos that mean i have this new messed up update..everyone told me it was the wiiware update =/

 

[whatsa]

You almost definitely have the benign WiiWare update.

 

[awofadeju]

So you guys are sure i installed the wiiware update and not this messed up 1..sorry its just i have a jap wii and when i finaly able 2 play all these great usa games..ninetndo create this block..i just dont want too losse all the great stuff trucha has done..but u cant help wanting 2 have your console up to date=/

Im also worried because ever since i did that update i havnt recived an mail containg info on this new 1 =/