Hacking About the 3DS roms dumpted out by LGC

[heartgold]

Couldn't you build a cartridge with an EPROM?

That's what probably first 3DS flashcards would be like. With USB programmable EPROM.

Only one game at a time?

 

[hergipotter]

Couldn't you build a cartridge with an EPROM?

That's what probably first 3DS flashcards would be like. With USB programmable EPROM.

Only one game at a time?

Better than no game, isn't it? =)

Ok, then where's the problem, let's build a cartridge with usb programmable EPROM

 

[chortya]

Don't be so naïve... 3DS images (ROMs) are encripted and definetely contain some kind of HW ID which is part of the encription algorithm. All the DSTTs and R4s are like clones of original carts that include identification of some DS game but route all calls to the emulated image which is mounted from the SD card. Just think a little bit before posting guys...

Scene gurus just need some more time to reverse engineer the HW and create 3DS roms compatible carts and/or find SW exploit to be able to load own code from existing carts.

 

[hergipotter]

Yeah, i didn't know that, thx for clearing that up.

 

[ccfreak2k]

Couldn't you build a cartridge with an EPROM?

That's what probably first 3DS flashcards would be like. With USB programmable EPROM.

Only one game at a time?

Better than no game, isn't it? =)

Ok, then where's the problem, let's build a cartridge with usb programmable EPROM

You'd actually want to use flash memory since EEPROM chips tend to be much slower (Mouser shows 33MHz as the fastest currently) and usually not designed for many rewrites, but the idea is the same. If I did it, I'd probably make a parallel programmer, still using USB to connect to the computer, in order to shave cost off of each cart.

 

[Riku]

Don't be so naïve... 3DS images (ROMs) are encripted and definetely contain some kind of HW ID which is part of the encription algorithm.

Well, inside genuine gamecards of different games inside the same chips. You can sniff HW ID and all other encrypted responses from genuine game, and make microcontroller inside flashcard send this data. So you basically no need decryption or any exploits, because you no need to run custom code and bootloaders. It will act as genuine game.

 

[stanleyopar2000]

there goes the fucking neighborhood.

if they become playable in the near future all the companies they are going to make good games for this are going to pull out faster than [insert sexually explicit reference here]

 

[xile6]

Couldn't you build a cartridge with an EPROM?

That's what probably first 3DS flashcards would be like. With USB programmable EPROM.

Only one game at a time?

Thats where it all started tho. If anyone remember the gameboy days. I just hope there wont be any update to counter it. You know how many people would be pissed to find out that they updated to 2.0 and can still play ds and dsi games. but cant play 3ds games because some new card came out and only works on firmware 1.0

So lets hope that when a new card comes out it will work on the current 3ds firmware

 

[Amber Lamps]

Take heed upon these words, Legacy.

I noticed the list of groups you mentioned in greets in your semi-ego inflated nfo file.

These groups, most notably in the GBC era scene Menace, Eurasia, Oldskool, Quasar, and most notably Lightforce (I will get to that in a minute) would never wish to withold information from other people to contribute regardless if they are iND or a larger group.

Although MNC and EUR competed with the other groups, they did in fact make a point to try to delegate releases among following or top upper tier release groups so that releases could be spread out, more plentiful, as well as spreading out the cost throughout the scene in order to benefit the video gaming hobbyist community.

ULFC (Utopia Lightforce, a Dreamcast community group) did not withold but would share information on dumping (dreamcast) games. So maybe we are not talking about a home console enterainment system here but rather a handheld. The point is, deeming a group becoming arrogant and sharing commercial data but no means as to use it (which causes the data to be useless to the community other than to fill some sectors on a hard drive with then irrelevant information) in turn has caused in the past very few China manufacturers to come out with their own devices, inflated in price, as well as their own proprietary means in order to run the data on the handheld system in question. We have seen this happen before with the Nintendo DS as well as prior systems such as the Wonder Swan.

As far as ego goes, I do not see 'LGC' releasing a full library of 3DS games so thus somewhat invalidates the ego seen within the nfo files archived along with the proprietary data included. I see this as mearely a showcase of ego and not too much benefit to the scene.

I see LGC claims to be a friendship group much like OS and QSR however the latter mentioned groups also enjoyed helping the gamer. Hopefully we are not also seeing another elitist move to hoard information from the hobbyists once again like we saw from groups in GBA days.

TIA for your time. I've been in the scene since the early 1990s and this arrogance generally has no place with so much bandwidth and freedom of information as we have available today.

 

[DigitalDeviant]

Thanks for your insight Amber Lamps.

 

[ken28]

piracy
http://ndsdl.com/lego-star-wars-iii-the-cl...ars-3ds-europe/

i hope you get a ban
@Amber Lamps
i agree with you

 

[opcode32]

Take heed upon these words, Legacy.

I noticed the list of groups you mentioned in greets in your semi-ego inflated nfo file.

These groups, most notably in the GBC era scene Menace, Eurasia, Oldskool, Quasar, and most notably Lightforce (I will get to that in a minute) would never wish to withold information from other people to contribute regardless if they are iND or a larger group.

Although MNC and EUR competed with the other groups, they did in fact make a point to try to delegate releases among following or top upper tier release groups so that releases could be spread out, more plentiful, as well as spreading out the cost throughout the scene in order to benefit the video gaming hobbyist community.

ULFC (Utopia Lightforce, a Dreamcast community group) did not withold but would share information on dumping (dreamcast) games. So maybe we are not talking about a home console enterainment system here but rather a handheld. The point is, deeming a group becoming arrogant and sharing commercial data but no means as to use it (which causes the data to be useless to the community other than to fill some sectors on a hard drive with then irrelevant information) in turn has caused in the past very few China manufacturers to come out with their own devices, inflated in price, as well as their own proprietary means in order to run the data on the handheld system in question. We have seen this happen before with the Nintendo DS as well as prior systems such as the Wonder Swan.

As far as ego goes, I do not see 'LGC' releasing a full library of 3DS games so thus somewhat invalidates the ego seen within the nfo files archived along with the proprietary data included. I see this as mearely a showcase of ego and not too much benefit to the scene.

I see LGC claims to be a friendship group much like OS and QSR however the latter mentioned groups also enjoyed helping the gamer. Hopefully we are not also seeing another elitist move to hoard information from the hobbyists once again like we saw from groups in GBA days.

TIA for your time. I've been in the scene since the early 1990s and this arrogance generally has no place with so much bandwidth and freedom of information as we have available today.

this post is factual wrong on so many levels, i don't even know where to start. If you were an active part of the scene during the gbc days, you would know that MNC gave RATS ASS about the enduser. They upped their releases to their own sites and maybe two or three hubs that were important at the time. This behaviour became even more extreme towards the end, where they pre'd on the (few) very elite sites they chose as their HQ and did not bother about the rest.
ULFC .. well, they only cooperated after everyone and their mum could dump GDRoms. I didn't see Utopia release their dumping methods to the public when they started the DC scene either. They did the loader, but kept the dumping tools to themselves (in hopes of dominating the emerging DC scene). Which kinda became moot when KAL actually started pumping shit out waaay faster then everyone. But they did not release their dumping tools either, nor did Echelon later. LFC didn't want to release their way of dumping aswell, but it got leaked so there was nothing they could do. Neither did ProjectX release their XBOX tools. Do you start seeing a pattern here?
I am not really sure where you get this "groups are about to share information & releases" tantra from, but it's never been that way nor will it ever be. Atleast not in the upper echelon of groups - because they are about competition first and foremost.. Releasing information would just help their competitors, which seems kinda counterproductive. It the same reason PC groups seldom release their cracking tools.

 

[Deleted User]

Legacy have too much to lose from posting bollocks shit. So this has got to be real.

 

[Amber Lamps]

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this post is factual wrong on so many levels, i don't even know where to start. If you were an active part of the scene during the gbc days, you would know that MNC gave RATS ASS about the enduser. They upped their releases to their own sites and maybe two or three hubs that were important at the time. This behaviour became even more extreme towards the end, where they pre'd on the (few) very elite sites they chose as their HQ and did not bother about the rest.
ULFC .. well, they only cooperated after everyone and their mum could dump GDRoms. I didn't see Utopia release their dumping methods to the public when they started the DC scene either. They did the loader, but kept the dumping tools to themselves (in hopes of dominating the emerging DC scene). Which kinda became moot when KAL actually started pumping shit out waaay faster then everyone. But they did not release their dumping tools either, nor did Echelon later. LFC didn't want to release their way of dumping aswell, but it got leaked so there was nothing they could do. Neither did ProjectX release their XBOX tools. Do you start seeing a pattern here?
I am not really sure where you get this "groups are about to share information & releases" tantra from, but it's never been that way nor will it ever be. Atleast not in the upper echelon of groups - because they are about competition first and foremost.. Releasing information would just help their competitors, which seems kinda counterproductive. It the same reason PC groups seldom release their cracking tools.


I would have to disagree with most of this. If ULFC was not about helping people dump the GDrom then how preytell did one of their top members offer, for sale to me, the modified CDROM drives as well as information on which drives they were, how to modify them and the software used to exploit the drive into reading the GDROM disc? Explain. I felt it was not much in my interest to obtain such tools because I had very little interest in backing up and releasing Sega Dreamcast titles on my own.

Also EUR and MNC were pretty close at least in chat and regular banter as far as that may or may not go. EUR members expressed that they would help coordinate releases with other groups in order to spread things out for what reasons I am somewhat oblivious too. Maybe fact that they were not rich and needed other groups to help release games.

Groups not sharing information well that very well may be. However the information was plentiful in GBC times on how to solder together your own back up kit and download ROM images to an ordinary PC of the day. And this information I am sure is still redily available on the world wide web. However this group wants to act elitist and show people that they can't do it as well as cannot play the games. It makes the ROM into pretty much useless trash data which could well have been copied and/or compiled from any source. Take this last paragraph as bullshit if you want. I can see how one can.

QUOTE(tigris @ Jun 6 2011, 02:02 PM)

Legacy have too much to lose from posting bollocks shit. So this has got to be real.

That or someone has too much time on his hands and needs to inflate his e-peen to people who normally do not really care. They could just have well said that rainbow ponies thrive on mars and pigs sleep with grizzley bears and they would have all had our attention in their ego inflated nfo file.

I forgot that yeah they have a lot to lose. I mean, they make millions off this stuff don't they? get real. all is about ego and ego is either priceless or worthless. I would say in this case, the latter. Groups come and go, flash in the pan, etc. All the casual user knows in the end is the game title and not the ego bullshit that goes with being "oh gee guys we are first to release crap that nobody can use cos we want to tell them that

" nice job

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[opcode32]

I would have to disagree with most of this. If ULFC was not about helping people dump the GDrom then how preytell did one of their top members offer, for sale to me, the modified CDROM drives as well as information on which drives they were, how to modify them and the software used to exploit the drive into reading the GDROM disc? Explain. I felt it was not much in my interest to obtain such tools because I had very little interest in backing up and releasing Sega Dreamcast titles on my own.

The word "sale" might be why they were interested to share.

QUOTE(Amber Lamps @ Jun 6 2011, 11:59 PM) That or someone has too much time on his hands and needs to inflate his e-peen to people who normally do not really care. They could just have well said that rainbow ponies thrive on mars and pigs sleep with grizzley bears and they would have all had our attention in their ego inflated nfo file.

I doubt that a group that has put out hundreds of working releases on the DS and probably well more then a thousand releases on other console platforms would need to start doing fake releases now. They have been around for ages, so i am gonna take their word for it. But i've you are indeed so well versed, you probably know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows them. After all quite a few of their members were involved in more then one of the groups you mentioned.

 

[Amber Lamps]

I would have to disagree with most of this. If ULFC was not about helping people dump the GDrom then how preytell did one of their top members offer, for sale to me, the modified CDROM drives as well as information on which drives they were, how to modify them and the software used to exploit the drive into reading the GDROM disc? Explain. I felt it was not much in my interest to obtain such tools because I had very little interest in backing up and releasing Sega Dreamcast titles on my own.

The word "sale" might be why they were interested to share.

QUOTE(Amber Lamps @ Jun 6 2011, 11:59 PM) That or someone has too much time on his hands and needs to inflate his e-peen to people who normally do not really care. They could just have well said that rainbow ponies thrive on mars and pigs sleep with grizzley bears and they would have all had our attention in their ego inflated nfo file.

I doubt that a group that has put out hundreds of working releases on the DS and probably well more then a thousand releases on other console platforms would need to start doing fake releases now. They have been around for ages, so i am gonna take their word for it. But i've you are indeed so well versed, you probably know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows them. After all quite a few of their members were involved in more then one of the groups you mentioned.

Granted that Lightforce wanted to sell me the hardware to make money did make sense as well as it was inflated in price however due in part to said hardware becoming scarce for the custom built PC market. I would assume that such drives are 100% impossible to find (at least new) now.

He did give me the information of model names / numbers and anything else that I needed to know about the drives.

But back on subject, haven't we seen this enough already in the DS as well as the PS3 scene (*cough*gag*Paradox*coughs again*). It has become rather old not to mention childish. Perhaps it is yet another group run by fresh out of high school students anyhow which was typical as of then (c.end 1998, but beginning of GBC scene)

Anyway who wants to play the titles they released already? I'm perfectly fine supporting the software developers whom are actually deserving of their own ego due to the fact that not only did they make it all the way through and finish college with some sort of computer science degree, but they also landed themselves jobs that net them upwards of $100k+ per year as well as quite probably support families of their own with the paychecks received from developing and eventually publishing these video games that the 'LFC' group has so halfheartedly claimed fame to today.

I rest my case.

 

[Hi everyone]

it's LGC. not LFC.

 

[Fishaman P]

The ROMs are probably encrypted for anti-piracy measures, and the (unreleased) loaders the dumpers are using can most likely decrypt in real time.
Probably no working emulators, just on modified 3DS'.

 

[hunter291]

it's LGC. not LFC.

Legacy and Lightforce are two different groups.

 

[ccfreak2k]

The ROMs are probably encrypted for anti-piracy measures, and the (unreleased) loaders the dumpers are using can most likely decrypt in real time.

Are you telling me they've already found the key or otherwise coerced the 3DS into spewing decrypted data?