Hacking 3DS Homebrew Channel!

[Ericthegreat]

As far as I know backing up your own copys are in the "grey" area.

 

[TheCasketMan]

it is like drugs. some people use them as a pain reliever or medicine, but they are still illegal because others use them in a stupid way. Except weed in California

 

[Bobbyloujo]

Backing up your own games is not a gray area. It is completely legal. That is, if you make the backup yourself from your original copy. Meaning that you can't download a backup even if you do own an original copy. You have to make the backup yourself. And you live in America.

EDIT: Mehhh, there I go saying stupid things again.

 

[Rydian]

Finding and changing text so that it says something is a homebrew channel when it's not is one thing

One thingthe majority of people have not done, thus the excitement.

Backing up your own games is not a gray area. It is completely legal. That is, if you make the backup yourself from your original copy. Meaning that you can't download a backup even if you do own an original copy. You have to make the backup yourself.

Unless you're breaking protection/encryption to do the backup and it doesn't fall under one of these exemptions.
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2010/Librarian-of-Congress-1201-Statement.html

DMCA sucks.

 

[reaper527]

Backing up your own games is not a gray area. It is completely legal. That is, if you make the backup yourself from your original copy. Meaning that you can't download a backup even if you do own an original copy. You have to make the backup yourself.

of course its a gray area, because it depends on what country you are in. don't forget, our american laws don't apply to everyone on the forums, as the internet is an international place.(al

so, as rydian said, your opinion isn't clear cut legal fact. modern games have protection that has to be circumvented, so if you can't point to an exemption to justify the dumping, you are out of luck as far as legal standing goes.

 

[BrunoAlvesMontei]

Here in Brazil it's not a crime to make and have a backup as long as you got the original one.
It's only classified as a crime when you make profit of it, so for example: if a burn a game DVD but not sell it, i can't be prosecuted.

 

[CollosalPokemon]

Backing up your own games is not a gray area. It is completely legal. That is, if you make the backup yourself from your original copy. Meaning that you can't download a backup even if you do own an original copy. You have to make the backup yourself.

Well it is actually a gray area.

Nintendo did not approve of you backing up the game you bought, and much less playing the backup. They *should* allow you to at least create a backup (it's a right to have a backup in case your cart is damaged) but they don't intend for you to. It must to be done through unlicensed hardware/software making it borderlined.

Yes, you have a right to backup your own games that you bought. No, you shouldn't be using unlicensed hardware/software.

 

[Maxternal]

First off, this conversation is likely to get the thread locked

Here in Brazil it's not a crime to make and have a backup as long as you got the original one.
It's only classified as a crime when you make profit of it, so for example: if a burn a game DVD but not sell it, i can't be prosecuted.

Interesting, so is it legal to GIVE a copy away? You don't make any money off it that way.

Well it is actually a gray area.

Nintendo did not approve of you backing up the game you bought, and much less playing the backup. They *should* allow you to at least create a backup (it's a right to have a backup in case your cart is damaged) but they don't intend for you to. It must to be done through unlicensed hardware/software making it borderlined.

Yes, you have a right to backup your own games that you bought. No, you shouldn't be using unlicensed hardware/software.

Yeah, it's kinda like when you buy a movie but it has the FBI warning up front that says it's licensed only for home viewing so you can't show it in public places (You have to pay more for that right.) but it just goes to show that they don't really sell it to you with no strings attached. They only sell you certain rights to it.

Edit: another example is my student copy of windows. I'm not allowed to make any money off of it so that's why I was able to buy it cheaper .

 

[sightlight]

Please guys, Lets just stay on topic. Its a hot thread.

There a video were he hacked the DSi successfully. Simulated the NAND with a SDCard. That is beast! And kind of mad he didnt release. I would of bought a DSi XL in the past to load homebrew..DSLinux.. :'(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ECc_EgFho

 

[synce]

It's always amusing to see a piracy argument break out. You're always going to have people who spend all their money on videogames and those who can barely pay their rent. People living in countries where a game costs 5% of your paycheck, and countries where it costs 500%. Now about that neimod...

 

[Chaos Rush]

It's always amusing to see a piracy argument break out. You're always going to have people who spend all their money on videogames and those who can barely pay their rent. People living in countries where a game costs 5% of your paycheck, and countries where it costs 500%. Now about that neimod...

If people can't afford games, then how the hell did they afford a DS/DSi/3DS, and a computer to download roms from? This is why I think piracy is stupid. If you can afford a DS or DSi or 3DS, and you can afford a computer, and you can afford an internet connection, then you can afford to actually buy your damn games.

 

[Janthran]

I think he has access, just doesnt know how do it. He would need an exploit like file to obtain the adresses to inject a new firmware.(CFW). "thats what I think" can be nastinly wrong.

The private key wouldn't do anyone but him any good.

 

[SifJar]

Please guys, Lets just stay on topic. Its a hot thread.

There a video were he hacked the DSi successfully. Simulated the NAND with a SDCard. That is beast! And kind of mad he didnt release. I would of bought a DSi XL in the past to load homebrew..DSLinux.. :'(

Don't get me wrong, it's cool and impressive, but it's not what you think. He couldn't modify the NAND at all. He literally just has an exact copy of it on the SD card and is running it from there instead of NAND. It wouldn't help homebrew at all, all it'd do is give a bit of brick protection. It certainly wouldn't let you run DSLinux on a DSi.

 

[sightlight]

Please guys, Lets just stay on topic. Its a hot thread.

There a video were he hacked the DSi successfully. Simulated the NAND with a SDCard. That is beast! And kind of mad he didnt release. I would of bought a DSi XL in the past to load homebrew..DSLinux.. :'(

Don't get me wrong, it's cool and impressive, but it's not what you think. He couldn't modify the NAND at all. He literally just has an exact copy of it on the SD card and is running it from there instead of NAND. It wouldn't help homebrew at all, all it'd do is give a bit of brick protection. It certainly wouldn't let you run DSLinux on a DSi.

I see,
I have a question, the nand still had protection to not run code since it was the nand address Or it still saw it as SDCard?
could the protection had been written of the FW? or hard hard on the chip? uhmmmmmm!

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Speaking a litle bit about programing(3DS) If I recall, was rayman3d emulated or coded from scratch? It looked like a PS2 version or something.

 

[Rydian]

He didn't modify what's on the NAND, right?

 

[sychotix]

Please guys, Lets just stay on topic. Its a hot thread.

There a video were he hacked the DSi successfully. Simulated the NAND with a SDCard. That is beast! And kind of mad he didnt release. I would of bought a DSi XL in the past to load homebrew..DSLinux.. :'(

Don't get me wrong, it's cool and impressive, but it's not what you think. He couldn't modify the NAND at all. He literally just has an exact copy of it on the SD card and is running it from there instead of NAND. It wouldn't help homebrew at all, all it'd do is give a bit of brick protection. It certainly wouldn't let you run DSLinux on a DSi.

I see,
I have a question, the nand still had protection to not run code since it was the nand address Or it still saw it as SDCard?
could the protection had been written of the FW? or hard hard on the chip? uhmmmmmm!

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Speaking a litle bit about programing(3DS) If I recall, was rayman3d emulated or coded from scratch? It looked like a PS2 version or something.

Not sure if you know what your talking about at all... or just throwing out random technical terms.

 

[Ericthegreat]

It doesnt have anything to do with affording things.... It is about doing things to the hardware you own for fun

 

[Sicklyboy]

It's always amusing to see a piracy argument break out. You're always going to have people who spend all their money on videogames and those who can barely pay their rent. People living in countries where a game costs 5% of your paycheck, and countries where it costs 500%. Now about that neimod...

If people can't afford games, then how the hell did they afford a DS/DSi/3DS, and a computer to download roms from? This is why I think piracy is stupid. If you can afford a DS or DSi or 3DS, and you can afford a computer, and you can afford an internet connection, then you can afford to actually buy your damn games.

No, I'm sorry, but that logic is complete bullshit. "If people can't afford games, then how the hell did they afford a DS/DSi/3DS, and a computer to download roms from?" Just because someone can't afford something at one point in time doesn't mean they NEVER will be able to. "If you can afford a DS or DSi or 3DS, and you can afford a computer, and you can afford an internet connection, then you can afford to actually buy your damn games" No, not exactly true, especially when you're not making much over minimum wage, you're a full time student, you have your own bills to pay, have to put gas in a car, among other responsibilities. Life happens, man, and people come on tough times on a daily basis. When buying four games costs as much as the console did that you play them on, you can see how they get pretty pricey, pretty fast. If you don't like piracy, good for you, but don't try to preach to everyone else (especially on a forum that is more or less centered around the topic) how bad it is. I'm still living with my parents, and last year I had enough money to be fairly comfortable with what they were providing. But since then, my car insurance has gone up, I've had to pay more out of pocket for my own tuition, my cell phone bill has gone up (data package), needed a new phone, parts needed (and still need) replacing on my car, needed a new tire/needed a tire repaired, and gas is currently at $3.75/gal here in Toms River, NJ, all this while working for $8.68/hr on roughly 26 hours a week. Try telling me I can still afford to buy any video game I want when I've had to empty my savings alone just to pay for college. Having already had a DSTWO, I bought a few 3DS games when they were on sale, and downloaded all the DS games I wanted and used my DSTWO for that.

Please guys, Lets just stay on topic. Its a hot thread.

There a video were he hacked the DSi successfully. Simulated the NAND with a SDCard. That is beast! And kind of mad he didnt release. I would of bought a DSi XL in the past to load homebrew..DSLinux.. :'(

He didn't hack it. If you see everything on the bottom, he more or less wired an SD reader to where the NAND should be on the DSi mobo and put an interpreter in the middle to make it direct all of the right data to the right places. Nothing got hacked, it got modified. The SD card should still be holding an exact image of the NAND, encrypted and all.

I see,
I have a question, the nand still had protection to not run code since it was the nand address Or it still saw it as SDCard?
could the protection had been written of the FW? or hard hard on the chip? uhmmmmmm!

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Speaking a litle bit about programing(3DS) If I recall, was rayman3d emulated or coded from scratch? It looked like a PS2 version or something.

I don't even know what you're trying to say... but the DSi didn't see it as an SD card, he replaced the NAND chip with an SD reader and an interpreter (I know interpreter likely isn't the correct terminology here, but it makes sense at least). The DSi had no knowledge that it was modified. The protection is written into the software itself as encryption.

Afaik Rayman3D was a completely different game. Plus, you can't simply emulate it and get 3D out of it.

 

[TheZander]

Dude, my English is not that fluent. My apologies.

Sorry wasnt trying to rag on your english because it didn't have anything to do with what i said it just so happened every line you wrote began with "I" so I quoted you and made a little comment with absolutely no intention on questioning your english skillz

 

[sightlight]

It's always amusing to see a piracy argument break out. You're always going to have people who spend all their money on videogames and those who can barely pay their rent. People living in countries where a game costs 5% of your paycheck, and countries where it costs 500%. Now about that neimod...

If people can't afford games, then how the hell did they afford a DS/DSi/3DS, and a computer to download roms from? This is why I think piracy is stupid. If you can afford a DS or DSi or 3DS, and you can afford a computer, and you can afford an internet connection, then you can afford to actually buy your damn games.

No, I'm sorry, but that logic is complete bullshit. "If people can't afford games, then how the hell did they afford a DS/DSi/3DS, and a computer to download roms from?" Just because someone can't afford something at one point in time doesn't mean they NEVER will be able to. "If you can afford a DS or DSi or 3DS, and you can afford a computer, and you can afford an internet connection, then you can afford to actually buy your damn games" No, not exactly true, especially when you're not making much over minimum wage, you're a full time student, you have your own bills to pay, have to put gas in a car, among other responsibilities. Life happens, man, and people come on tough times on a daily basis. When buying four games costs as much as the console did that you play them on, you can see how they get pretty pricey, pretty fast. If you don't like piracy, good for you, but don't try to preach to everyone else (especially on a forum that is more or less centered around the topic) how bad it is. I'm still living with my parents, and last year I had enough money to be fairly comfortable with what they were providing. But since then, my car insurance has gone up, I've had to pay more out of pocket for my own tuition, my cell phone bill has gone up (data package), needed a new phone, parts needed (and still need) replacing on my car, needed a new tire/needed a tire repaired, and gas is currently at $3.75/gal here in Toms River, NJ, all this while working for $8.68/hr on roughly 26 hours a week. Try telling me I can still afford to buy any video game I want when I've had to empty my savings alone just to pay for college. Having already had a DSTWO, I bought a few 3DS games when they were on sale, and downloaded all the DS games I wanted and used my DSTWO for that.

Please guys, Lets just stay on topic. Its a hot thread.

There a video were he hacked the DSi successfully. Simulated the NAND with a SDCard. That is beast! And kind of mad he didnt release. I would of bought a DSi XL in the past to load homebrew..DSLinux.. :'(

He didn't hack it. If you see everything on the bottom, he more or less wired an SD reader to where the NAND should be on the DSi mobo and put an interpreter in the middle to make it direct all of the right data to the right places. Nothing got hacked, it got modified. The SD card should still be holding an exact image of the NAND, encrypted and all.

I see,
I have a question, the nand still had protection to not run code since it was the nand address Or it still saw it as SDCard?
could the protection had been written of the FW? or hard hard on the chip? uhmmmmmm!

-------------------------------
Speaking a litle bit about programing(3DS) If I recall, was rayman3d emulated or coded from scratch? It looked like a PS2 version or something.

I don't even know what you're trying to say... but the DSi didn't see it as an SD card, he replaced the NAND chip with an SD reader and an interpreter (I know interpreter likely isn't the correct terminology here, but it makes sense at least). The DSi had no knowledge that it was modified. The protection is written into the software itself as encryption.

Afaik Rayman3D was a completely different game. Plus, you can't simply emulate it and get 3D out of it.

Sorry, Its just that to be honest rayman3d looked like it wasnt even running natively.


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plasma, if that is true with 3DS mode as well then I understand that he has to hack it "hardwarewise" and "softwarewise". Finding a way through the Hardware to learn about the Software and to an extent that the CPU no longer sees code that blocks booting strings?
having built a ram read/writer, now is a task of finding a (key to unlock) -exploit-??
having a ram read/writer= its a nice step
(I have no IDEA of what im saying LOL!!! BEWAREZ!!