Gaming 23+ Pokemon Games... Will it ever end?

[Deleted_171835]

No, it won't.

Do note that most of the games you mentioned are not part of the main series. IMO, the Pokemon series is quite fun. It has a replay value unmatched by any other game and quite an extensive battle system. Even after you are done the story mode of the game, there are many other things to do. The addition of new Pokemon adds new battle strategies among other thing. Gamefreak is not going to change a battle system that has been fine-tuned and perfected over many years. As long as people enjoy and still play the Pokemon games, Gamefreak isn't going to change much to the core gameplay. There is no need to.

Also, just a FYI

I made a chart with the release dates of the main Pokemon games.

Judging by this, Pokemon Grey (or whatever else the third version may be called) should be coming out in Japan in about a year.

The duration of time between the release of Pokemon Diamond/Pearl and Platinum is 1 year, 11 months, 16 days.
The duration of time between the release of Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire and Emerald is 1 year, 9 months, 26 days.

If the third Pokemon game follows this order, it should come out sometime in 2012 and be revealed later this year.

Do note that I am using Japanese release dates.

 

[doyama]

You have to first MAKE a point for me to adress. So far you haven't. All you said is that it's fun and gives you a new story to play, which, for me, is DLC content, not a new game.

I'm afraid that I am unable to talk with you, simply because you're too easily pleased.

If you want to make that argument though, you could say the same for a lot of games. The early Final Fantasy and DQ series were basically the 'same' mechanic. Talk to people, beat up slimes, buy stuff, beat the boss. Minor graphical improvements, but the core gameplay was identical. I don't think it's fair to call out Pokemon as a sole perptrator on that front.

Pokemon also has a disadvantage in that it's closely tied to the CCG. So the amount of innovation you can really throw at the game is kinda limited. Not like MtG has had many 'drastic' gameplay changes. It's still lands, monsters, instants, spells, etc. They just come out with new cards every year.

Just to clarify, I've never actually played a Pokemon game. Ever. Ok wait I did demo Pokemon Snap on a bet I lost. I probably should have chosen to chug that cup of soy sauce in retrospect.... But I'm not a 'fan' by any stretch. I don't really care for the game or its gameplay. But it has its place. People enjoy it, and that's fine with me. I don't think there's much to be gained by telling them they're 'stupid' or whatever. My friends like Madden which I can't even begin to fathom. I LOVE FIFA, but my Madden friends think I'm some kind of Euro freak because of it. Neither of us is 'right' or 'wrong'. We just like different things. We can argue the sublties of each game (both the real one and the games themselves). Doesn't mean one is better than the other.

 

[Foxi4]

You have to first MAKE a point for me to adress. So far you haven't. All you said is that it's fun and gives you a new story to play, which, for me, is DLC content, not a new game.

I'm afraid that I am unable to talk with you, simply because you're too easily pleased.

I'm not sticking just to the battle system. NOTHING changed. At all. I'm glad that the buildings made the transition from square-ish sprites to a rather undetailed 3D models. Please, carry on with the changes. Eventually we'll get a good game.
Like I said before; if you decided what path the series would lead to, what would you choose? Or do you not have any ideas of your own?

And if the games are very different outside of the battles.


1. I'd be greatly thankful to see Pokemon with a custom camera mode. Isometry, TPP and classic top-down plus rotation sounds good. That way, you'd be able to "hide" caves behind bushes and make them visible only at a certain camera angle.

2. Stop drawing new Pokemon. We really have enough.

3. Lower the ammount of random encounters - they're annoying.

4. Every single town should have several side quests that'll not only allow you to progress, but also give you proper items that will enhance your Pokemon abilities. You CAN attach items to Pokemon, y'know - you could just as well boost their stats with it. The current attachable items hardly influence gameplay on later levels.

5. The battle system has the right perspective, but I'd much rather see it with no background at all, just show the damned game world in TPP mode - Trainer on the left, Pokemon on the right, enemy oposite to you. Pretty please with models - the 3DS can pull it off no sweat.

6. Damadge visible on the Pokemon currently fighting, pretty please.

7. Less wild Pokemon encounters, more trainers you can challenge.

8. Co-Op via Wi-Fi, much like in Dragon Quest IX. It was awesome. We already have double/tripple fights so you can figure out yourself how this'll work.

9. I don't see why 3D will work less dynamically than sprites - the perspective may be the same, all that changes are the attack animations... which DON'T have to be that long. A matter of execution, not sprite/model differences.

10. Better Trainer AI. I hate "smack" "heal" "smack" "heal".

...I can carry on, but it'll take me a year to finish. Pokemon has too much stuff upside-down at the moment.

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If you want to make that argument though, you could say the same for a lot of games. The early Final Fantasy and DQ series were basically the 'same' mechanic. Talk to people, beat up slimes, buy stuff, beat the boss. Minor graphical improvements, but the core gameplay was identical. I don't think it's fair to call out Pokemon as a sole perptrator on that front.

Never said that it's the sole perpetrator. In fact, I believe that most of the popular franchises suffer from this to some extent. Some studios put more effort than others to countermeasure it, of course.

Guild McCommunist, head back to twat school if you can't express your feelings without swearing. Also, you missed reading lessons.

I already said that Gamefreak's shortcommings are covered by massive content injections. Also, graphic tweaks are pityful, don't mention them.



Each time I'm playing a Pokemon game, I have a distinct feeling as if it stopped maturing at some point and just carried on growing until it became the inconsistent monstrousity of outdated graphics and plot wrapped in a pleasing, involving game mechanic. This applies to many J-RPG's, while more "western" productions seemed to move on and actually use the capabilities of a given console they're developed for. Something worth to think about.

I'm not telling that Gamefreak should re-invent the wheel - Pokemon "works well" as far as mechanics are concerned - they're nice and pleasing.

They should work a bit on the execution though, because at current, as Yahtzee said in one of his reviews, "the best execution I can see for this game is a lethal injection".

 

[8BitWalugi]

To all of the above, that's what makes Pokemin UNIQUE!

It's different from most JRPGs in that way.

What's next "That's what makes other JRPGs better!!?1 :B"
Go back to your FF7 and complain about lack of a remake.

And ironic how Guild didn't swear, yet you called him a twat. That's massive derp right there.

 

[Foxi4]

A general rule of internet forums - read the whole thread before you open your noise hole.

Never called him a twat, I said he should head back to twat school of which he surely graduated with a degree though. I don't know him enough to call him a twat, however I can see how he approaches a franchise that hasn't changed in 15 years with zealot-like persistence and completely igonores valid points using a simple argument of "it wouldn't be Pokemon if they did that".

This discussion is over, I made my point clear. Play your Pokemon if you really want to, I'll wait for one that's tailored for my "apparently fucking insane" standards which other people call "actual progress from the previous installment".

 

[8BitWalugi]

A general rule of internet forums - read the whole thread before you open your noise hole.

Herp, 6 pages of bitching? No thanks.

And to your recent edit, why complain then? Play what you want. No one told you to go do something against your will. I see it as a "If it works, don't change it" matter.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

A general rule of internet forums - read the whole thread before you open your noise hole.

General rule of this forum - don't call people twats.

Considering that there are plenty of games that are really the same core system but can be seen as "massive content injections", I don't see what's wrong with Pokemon doing it. And it's not like the core system was bad when it came out. If it was a deeply flawed system when it came out then yeah, a lack of massive change would be inexcusable. But the core concept was good and it still holds up today.

 

[Foxi4]

Don't worry, 8-Bit Waluigi. Actually "agreeing" when facing reality is the last thing I expect from 95% of Pokemon fans. I'm hardly suprised or moved by your reactions.

As a person who generally LIKES Pokemon, I have the right to complain. If not "assholes" like me, the whole franchise would progress even slower (it's already a snail, why make it worse).

If there's anyhing the world should hear about, it's what fans DISLIKE about the new installments of a given game. That way, the Dev's can pick up what was done right and what was done wrong. Simple as that.

General rule of this forum - don't call people twats.

When your only argument in a casual conversation is "omg, u hater!", mentally prepare to be called a twat. It's a valuable lesson and it's worth to remember it for the rest of your life. Not that I have anything againts you, but your attempt at discrediting my points simply by calling me a hater was rather amusing, but hardly successful.

 

[BORTZ]

why fix something thats not broken?

 

[Foxi4]

It's a matter of improvement, not fixing.

If we all had an attitude like this we'd never move on from the stone age.

EDIT: I get Warn'd because I called someone a "twat" when he acts like one? Really? LoL, thank god I don't frequent this forum too often, otherwise I might actually get worried or insulted.

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'nuff said.

 

[10_0ARMY]

Pokemon will end when people stop playing it....which will prolly happen when they reach 2000 pokemon. After all, its 2011 and people still play gen 1 games.

 

[Thesolcity]

Nope, and when they stop making new pokémon which I imagine will happen soon, I imagine 3 things could happen.

1). Stop the series and cash in on merchandise.

2). Continually remake games with some new mechanics and added gameplay. (I think this will be it the most.)

3). Make pure spin-offs ONLY.


EDIT: OP YOU FORGOT POKÉMON PUZZLE CHALLENGE FOR GBC.

 

[fishykipper]

I hope not.
no more Poke's would be a sad world!!

 

[Foxi4]

OP missed 54 games, actually. Read the whole thread, the complete list is on page 3 I think.

 

[dropper]

cough

 

[geenlung]

lol, most Pokemon games aren't that bad, Pokemon Puzzle Challenge is one of my favourites!

So are they announcing a new Pokemon game soon for the 3ds?

It may or may not be for the 3DS, but a new Pokemon game is supposed to be announced in May.

 

[Coconut]

Well, seeing how there is coming out a new pokemon game somewhere later this year, nope.

 

[Sora de Eclaune]

I don't think it'll end until Nintendo has taken over the world and released mutant creatures into the wilds of the entire planet.

What I think is that Nintendo has a secret laboratory somewhere and is engineering/mutating random people/animals, in an attempt to change them into Pokemon. Then they will eventually release these real life Pokemon to the world and will be the only supplier of various items (such as Pokeballs and Potions and the like) and starter Pokemon, therefore gaining more money in the long run.

This also explains why they're against piracy: They need all the money they can get to run their secret lab.

 

[777kidis777]

Next thing you know: they make REAL Pokemon Animals.
Or something you can get into and you're in the Pokemon world as the trainer. DD

 

[joshua.leano]

I hope theyll add something like pokemon GREY,.... a mixture of Black and White