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The situation in Ukraine...
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Ok look NATO just got 1/4 stronger
And makes Russia argument void by stating no nukes in boarder countries
Because the politcian who was present at the meeting mentioned in on German television a few days ago. Germany would be nuked by the US for tactical reasons.
Ukraine could have had EU cooperation in terms of trade, but the EU had to include the establishment of a common security structure (another word for NATO alignment or membership) in their 2014 proposal. Instead Ukraine is sacrificing itself for American interests of hurting Russia. (which is the stated goal by the US defense minister)
Yes and now Finland and Sweden will be under the
Not saying NATO is the best solution, but clearly we are better off with it.
extremely Interesting Video today
By a Russian in Russia, stating that
Russia already publicly released all agreements with Nato and NONE OF them have any mention of Nato expansion.
Russia media states that the agreement *might be verbal in 1990 with Gorbachev but theres 3 issues with that
1. that would of been made with USSR not Russia
2. Russia Government has yet to provide any exact info on agreement ( verbal or written)
3. Gorbachev is silent on the matter ( this is a big deal as he is still mentally stable and giving alot of interviews and commentary but NEVER stated about NATO agreement)
IF this was an ounce truth. Russia would of paraded Gorbachev all over to justify Crying about NATO expansion.
also
Putin has to call FINLAND and apologize about Threats to Finland by Russian politician. "NO THREAT from NATO expansion"
and by doing so Has Made Russia Wars with Ukraine even more apparent is just a LAND GRAB
All this situation is so crazy that may end up with everybody losing. Russia might lose on field, reputation, economy, Ukraine is losing civilians already, the damage of Russia cruelty will leave scars forever, USA may have its expansion dreams locked by Turkey even after spending billions and Europe is already having a not-so-bad economic scratch, it will be fine, but it is losing something.
It is confirmed: war is a dumb thing (like it was not confirmed already).
It is confirmed: war is a dumb thing (like it was not confirmed already).
Don't forget. There are people out there happy to see both russians and ukrainians die. They are ultimativly the winners of this. Evil people. When will it ever end?
Interesting observation, will keep an eye on this.
It's so evil, the ukrainians could never compete with a power like russia, yet they are forcing their man to stay in the country and fight. This is a erradication of the ukrainian people, how terrible. What about the women and children, who will look after them? What will happen to them? If human trafficers grap them, who will go after them? terrible terrible
Nah Turkey is looking declaring PPK a terrorist group first and in fact there’s already been Talks that turkey is going to accept once that’s been iron out pretty soon
Let Erdogan kill the Kurds in exange of an American military expansion. Makes sense, USA will definitely try that.
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...ok... I never stated USA .. Nor is this issue an American issue..
its a Turkey/ Kurdish and Finland/Sweden issue..
NATO is always an American issue. NATO is powder keg idea. You don´t want the whole world converge into two camps. It is very dangerous (cf. Europe before WW1).
Imagine if Russia, China, Syria and Iran were to enter an alliance which states "if one is attacked, all are being attacked". Even though Iran and Syria would be much safer, I wouldn´t want to take this risk.
Not to mention if that alliance tried to convince Venezuela and other states in Latin America to join.
Perhaps the US would attack Venezuela and then the Russians would send billions worth of arms to Venezuela, stating on television that "the brave Venezuelians are defending our freedom"
I hear this sentence constantly on German television with regards to Ukraine.
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... . it was called Sino-Soviet Treaty of FriendshipNATO is always an American issue. NATO is powder keg idea. You don´t want the whole world converge into two camps. It is very dangerous (cf. Europe before WW1).
Imagine if Russia, China, Syria and Iran were to enter an alliance which states "if one is attacked, all are being attacked". Even though Iran and Syria would be much safer, I wouldn´t want to take this risk.
Not to mention if that alliance tried to convince Venezuela and other states in Latin America to join.
Perhaps the US would attack Venezuela and then the Russians would send billions worth of arms to Venezuela, stating on television that "the brave Venezuelians are defending our freedom"
I hear this sentence constantly on German television with regards to Ukraine.
and it blow up in their faces ...
Infact that Im pretty sure thats the exact reason NATO was recreated.. but .. I understand how forgetting to ackledged that is convenient to your sudo-fassist Communist agenda ..sorry your *Support* because you long abandoned the practice of those ideals for European Comfort.
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You continue to pretend like Russia minding their own fucking business was never an option. Without the invasion of Ukraine there would be far fewer new applicants to NATO, that I can guarantee.NATO is always an American issue. NATO is powder keg idea. You don´t want the whole world converge into two camps. It is very dangerous (cf. Europe before WW1).
Imagine if Russia, China, Syria and Iran were to enter an alliance which states "if one is attacked, all are being attacked". Even though Iran and Syria would be much safer, I wouldn´t want to take this risk.
Not to mention if that alliance tried to convince Venezuela and other states in Latin America to join.
Perhaps the US would attack Venezuela and then the Russians would send billions worth of arms to Venezuela, stating on television that "the brave Venezuelians are defending our freedom"
I hear this sentence constantly on German television with regards to Ukraine.
USA indeed would invade (or finance coup d'etat in) any Latin American country if it were about to join a military alliance with one of it's enemies. It is not "sudo-fassist Communist" to realize something that have being happening a huge number of times for like a century already.
This is not a defense of Putin in any measure, we are allowed to hate both Russian and USA imperialism, I even believe we should. (And hating the imperialism of a nation is not hating the nation itself, as I am a huge fan of what USA build to its citizens in terms of freedom and rights).
NATO was created as an anti Russian/Soviet alliance. The Sino-Soviet treaty was between ROC (cf Taiwan) and the USSR. Why should I mention this? What I said remains true: Dividing the world like that is dangerous.
A Syrian-Russian alliance would have kept the US from attacking and occupying Syria (most people do not even know they are still doing it), but I don´t want to live in a world in which an attack on Syria leads to WW3, even if it would protect Syria.
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..oh so by your logic, the ROC agreement are not valid , .. than that would state any USSR agreement are also void. Cool so the make believe NATO expansion agreement is not* valid also as 1990 was with USSR
EDIT*** also it looks like your making up shit so you don't look foolish as PROC as created on 1949 and the Sino-Soviet Treaty was signed on 1950 with Stalin and Mao
SEE BELOW
Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance
Sorry I didnt not catch that at the Start.. I should know better then take Sino-Soviet points at face value
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