The situation in Ukraine...

[BitMasterPlus]

Love how 1 picture complete destroys your point
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anyway .. this Thread is about the Ukraine Situation .. not the Copefest of the last couple of Closed Threads

I know, and it seems like the US wants to get involved for no reason, because of whoever's in office right now. And that is a lovely picture, did you take it?

 

[djpannda]

.. ok comrade..
I know your just Trolling Anti- American sentiment but
I think you mean NATO.... as Currently Turkey ( NATO Nation) has more Troop and Ships in the area then the US (ANOTHER NATO member)

 

[BitMasterPlus]

.. ok comrade..
I know your just Trolling Anti- American sentiment but
I think you mean NATO.... as Currently Turkey ( NATO Nation) has more Troop and Ships in the area then the US (ANOTHER NATO member)

That number could easily change with just one call.

 

[djpannda]

That number could easily change with just one call.

..yea.. China .. or Australia can make a call and send 100,00k troop but what the hell that have to do with the current situation of Russia not wanting UKriane to join another Group other than them?

 

[BitMasterPlus]

..yea.. China .. or Australia can make a call and send 100,00k troop but what the hell that have to do with the current situation of Russia not wanting UKriane to join another Group other than them?

Maybe if you could phrase your sentences better I could answer that.

Seems to me Russian troops have been in Ukraine's border for years now and for whatever reason now it's a big deal. So a big deal over nothing as usual and the citizens of many countries are gonna pay one way or another as usual.

 

[djpannda]

Maybe if you could phrase your sentences better I could answer that.

Seems to me Russian troops have been in Ukraine's border for years now and for whatever reason now it's a big deal. So a big deal over nothing as usual and the citizens of many countries are gonna pay one way or another as usual.

ohhhhh I apologize
its COMPLETELY NORMAL for a country like Russia ( who invaded and took over Ukraine Crimea just 6 years ago) to amass An estimated 130,000 troops along Ukraine boarder while Russian state media is reporting that They are TRYing to negotiate with Ukraine avoid war.. https://www.rt.com/news/470014-ukraine-donbass-steinmeier-formula/
I mean its COMPLETELY NORMAL to amass 130,000 Troops along a boarder with Country in the middle of peace talks ...NORMAL

 

[Dr_Faustus]

I know, and it seems like the US wants to get involved for no reason, because of whoever's in office right now. And that is a lovely picture, did you take it?

To be fair its almost always expected for the US to say something on the matter because while it may not really involve us at all everyone seems to look at us for a reaction to what should be done or just doing it ourselves.

Truthfully I feel we should not get involved with international squabbles unless it harms us, or best interests or if the threat comes at our doorstep. Of course this is my opinion on the matter, but I say this because we have our own fuck ups that need fixing here and the efforts needed to do so are very needed since no other country is going to come in and help us in the same way we have for them in the past. Basically we need to worry about our own problems before we start getting involved into others, but we can't because then that would make us selfish to the bigger picture of geopolitical power I guess?

Its all a big wank.

 

[djpannda]

To be fair its almost always expected for the US to say something on the matter because while it may not really involve us at all everyone seems to look at us for a reaction to what should be done or just doing it ourselves.

Truthfully I feel we should not get involved with international squabbles unless it harms us, or best interests or if the threat comes at our doorstep. Of course this is my opinion on the matter, but I say this because we have our own fuck ups that need fixing here and the efforts needed to do so are very needed since no other country is going to come in and help us in the same way we have for them in the past. Basically we need to worry about our own problems before we start getting involved into others, but we can't because then that would make us selfish to the bigger picture of geopolitical power I guess?

Its all a big wank.

I agree, Many times US need to butt out of international affairs that do not involve US.
But US is current actions not as an Independent Country but as a Nato Member as this is a NATO issue.. involving Ukraine

 

[BitMasterPlus]

ohhhhh I apologize
its COMPLETELY NORMAL for a country like Russia ( who invaded and took over Ukraine Crimea just 6 years ago) to amass An estimated 130,000 troops along Ukraine boarder while Russian state media is reporting that They are TRYing to negotiate with Ukraine avoid war.. https://www.rt.com/news/470014-ukraine-donbass-steinmeier-formula/
I mean its COMPLETELY NORMAL to amass 130,000 Troops along a boarder with Country in the middle of peace talks ...NORMAL

weLL GeE
when you PUT IT LIKE that it's hard to
argue with your POINT
i think you should GO OVER to RUSsia and TELL THEM how to neGOTiate peaCe TalKs!

 

[djpannda]

this situation is a Simple one...(the gender orientation doesn't really matter, you can add any gender you want)
the Girl (Ukraine) want to date a New Boyfriend (NATO) but the Old Boyfriend (Russia) is standing in the way because the Old Boyfriend (RUSSIA) believes that the Girl (Ukraine) should always belong to the OLD BOYFriend (Russia). so the OLD BOYFriend (Russia) is threatening the Girl (Ukraine) "IF I cant have you, no one will

 

[BitMasterPlus]

this situation is a Simple one...(the gender orientation doesn't really matter, you can add any gender you want)
the Girl (Ukraine) want to date a New Boyfriend (NATO) but the Old Boyfriend (Russia) is standing in the way because the Old Boyfriend (RUSSIA) believes that the Girl (Ukraine) should always belong to the OLD BOYFriend (Russia). so the OLD BOYFriend (Russia) is threatening the Girl (Ukraine) "IF I cant have you, no one will

Good analogy and use of bold words there, but I still don't know how this involves the US at all. Because of NATO? Let countries govern and solve problems themselves for the most part unless the issue is really drastic, not a false flag of a supposed "invasion".

 

[djpannda]

Good analogy and use of bold words there, but I still don't know how this involves the US at all. Because of NATO? Let countries govern and solve problems themselves for the most part unless the issue is really drastic, not a false flag of a supposed "invasion".

man ever since the Former Defeated president lost ..alot of Former "Mericas popping now.

This is a NATO issue meaning all NATO MEMBER are involved ... 30 member countries, 28 are in Europe, one of which (Turkey) is in both Europe and Asia, two are located in North America (Canada and the United States),

 

[BitMasterPlus]

man ever since the Formal Defeated president lost ..alot of Formal "Mericas popping now.

This is a NATO issue meaning all NATO MEMBER are involved ... 30 member countries, 28 are in Europe, one of which (Turkey) is in both Europe and Asia, two are located in North America (Canada and the United States),

Because we're in such good shape for any war right now. Booming economy. Strong borders. People being united like never before. So let's get involved because of something that was nothing to begin with but has been escalated for no good reason!

 

[djpannda]

Because we're in such good shape for any war right now. Booming economy. Strong borders. People being united like never before. So let's get involved because of something that was nothing to begin with but has been escalated for no good reason!

what are you talking about ...
I pretty sure your knowledge is limited to just American Conservative talking points.. (which are currectly "American Bad because Democrats lead " and any country against US is Good)
but you do know that there are more (non"American) NATO MEMBER TROOPS then American, right?
or the fact TURkey is providing ALOT More support to Ukraine, more then the US ( Troop, Training and Weapons
"Turkey said it won’t back down from clinching new defense deals with Ukraine, signing an agreement for the joint production of Turkish drones that have drawn Russia’s ire."

 

[Stepperer]

Hmmmm, interesting question, WHY Donetsk and Lukhansk is Ukraine, but Kosovo is not Serbia?....

 

[BitMasterPlus]

what are you talking about ...
I pretty sure your knowledge is limited to just American Conservative talking points.. (which are currectly "American Bad because Democrats lead " and any country against US is Good)
but you do know that there are more (non"American) NATO MEMBER TROOPS then American, right?
or the fact TURkey is providing ALOT More support to Ukraine, more then the US ( Troop, Training and Weapons
"Turkey said it won’t back down from clinching new defense deals with Ukraine, signing an agreement for the joint production of Turkish drones that have drawn Russia’s ire."

Then let them do what they want and not let us get involved. How are you not getting this- actually I'm not surprised at this point as to why.

 

[djpannda]

Then let them do what they want and not let us get involved. How are you not getting this- actually I'm not surprised at this point as to why.

because This is a NATO issue.. does the Concept of NATO confuse you?

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO, /ˈneɪtoʊ/; French: Organisation du traité de l'Atlantique nord, OTAN), also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance between 27 European countries, 2 North American countries, and 1 Eurasian country. The organization implements the North Atlantic Treaty that was signed on 4 April 1949.[3][4]"

ALL 30 NATO Nations are involved. I think your issue is because you are only Following American conservative news, (which only talks about a American topics and involvement ) you are under the Impression only America is acting and not seeing the worldwide view of EVERYONE in NATO is responding.

 

[Dr_Faustus]

Honestly just on the speculative, if the territory of this was made more open beyond the North Atlantic, I wonder if Taiwan/Hong Kong would have tried to join it, and the shitstorm that China would have had over it would probably make it a very similar situation to what we are seeing right now if not far worse.

 

[djpannda]

Honestly just on the speculative, if the territory of this was made more open beyond the North Atlantic, I wonder if Taiwan/Hong Kong would have tried to join it, and the shitstorm that China would have had over it would probably make it a very similar situation to what we are seeing right now if not far worse.

doubtful that will happen
1.Unfortunatly Hong Kong is already under control of China,
2. Taiwan has a defense treaty already established with the US, ( I think the only reason China has not made a move), and the fact China and Taiwan has hinted willingness to the Two government 1 country idea.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

because This is a NATO issue.. does the Concept of NATO confuse you?

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO, /ˈneɪtoʊ/; French: Organisation du traité de l'Atlantique nord, OTAN), also called the North Atlantic Alliance, is an intergovernmental military alliance between 27 European countries, 2 North American countries, and 1 Eurasian country. The organization implements the North Atlantic Treaty that was signed on 4 April 1949.[3][4]"

ALL 30 NATO Nations are involved. I think your issue is because you are only Following American conservative news, (which only talks about a American topics and involvement ) you are under the Impression only America is acting and not seeing the worldwide view of EVERYONE in NATO is responding.

Because this isn't. Our. Problem. It never was a problem until a bunch of assholes decided it was a problem. Fuck NATO for all I care. We shouldn't get involved in made up wars because of a bunch of dickless morons who want us to. NATO or the UN or whatever isn't some world government we all have to abide by. And while treaties should be respected, it doesn't mean get involved in a made up problem because we say so. But since you say we should be involved because of NATO I have no doubt that you'll glady volunteer your services to solve this problem as a soldier.