Nintendo responds to kid’s request for nonbinary Pokémon

wolf-snake · Jun 24, 2021

Stealphie said:
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It kinda does when the content ends up being that we have to like this character because he, she, they,xe, ze, sie, co, is a Black Latino Non Binary person who won't shut up about being a Black Latino Non Binary person. Comic Books went through this and nobody liked it, nobody likes a chatacter thats a Black Latino Non Binary person when thats all they are. You think i watched Captain America because he's a blonde straight white guy? I watched becuase his character is quite complex, with enough layers to keep you invested in the stuff he's doing. If they'd made the exact same movie with the exact characterization of Captain America but with the only difference being that he was gay. I wouldn't be "Ohh they destroyed a classic with this woke shit" i would be "Fuck Yeah, its Captain America"

And that's my issue with all that forced reprecentation we're seeing in media. We should't be forced to like a character only because he's part of the LGTB+ Spectrum or the color of skin, we should liked the character because of his personality, his archievements, his struggles, stuff like that and not because of labels.

HalfScoper · Jun 24, 2021

Stealphie said:
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also before you say "but *character*'s only personality trait is gay!!!" that's not the fault of representation it is just bad writing/a bad character.

Your quickly made meme lacks quality, uses a dead template and is just cringe, also it does affect the quality for worse, because the plot mostly gets centered about their traits, and this is not limited to minorities in case of the snowflake community.

Deleted member 546149 · Jun 24, 2021

Imagine being Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobic
That is a real word
It means you're against long names
What a twist!

WG481 · Jun 24, 2021

So, for those of you saying a trainer, that's a genius idea for representation. However, it may be thrown off by different countries having different regulations and social norms. Need I remind you all that Pokemon is from Japan and not the U.S. or the U.K.? Something else that might throw it off is them creating fully-accessible clothing to make some of the characters get near to cross-dressing for this representation, like Animal Crossing, where I can wear a Peach dress and nobody cares.

Another thing, if not bigger, is the amount of other representation demands they would be swarmed with if they bend to a transgender character or non-binary. It's that they would be swarmed with stuff like "let me decide my character sexuality" or "add x, y, or z representative feature." If they keep this standard like they have it, it's better than creating a larger hatebase through not bending to everybody's representation request.

I'm still on your side, but there are things you need to remember about this sort of marketing they do.

Julie_Pilgrim · Jun 24, 2021

this thread:

The Catboy · Jun 24, 2021

WG481 said:
So, for those of you saying a trainer, that's a genius idea for representation. However, it may be thrown off by different countries having different regulations and social norms. Need I remind you all that Pokemon is from Japan and not the U.S. or the U.K.? Something else that might throw it off is them creating fully-accessible clothing to make some of the characters get near to cross-dressing for this representation, like Animal Crossing, where I can wear a Peach dress and nobody cares.

Another thing, if not bigger, is the amount of other representation demands they would be swarmed with if they bend to a transgender character or non-binary. It's that they would be swarmed with stuff like "let me decide my character sexuality" or "add x, y, or z representative feature." If they keep this standard like they have it, it's better than creating a larger hatebase through not bending to everybody's representation request.

I'm still on your side, but there are things you need to remember about this sort of marketing they do.

They can always just go with Monster Hunter Rise and several other games and just say, "Fuck it, pick a body type, voice, etc. and we even removed gender restrictions on clothing." This gives more customizations while avoiding the "controversies" of including LGBT+ people.

Deleted member 546149 · Jun 24, 2021

Lilith Valentine said:
They can always just go with Monster Hunter Rise and several other games and just say, "Fuck it, pick a body type, voice, etc. and we even removed gender restrictions on clothing." This gives more customizations while avoiding the "controversies" of including LGBT+ people.

Yes, BUT currently other countries have different restrictions, not that its a good thing

Stealphie · Jun 24, 2021

wolf-snake said:
It kinda does when the content ends up being that we have to like this character because he, she, they,xe, ze, sie, co, is a Black Latino Non Binary person who won't shut up about being a Black Latino Non Binary person. Comic Books went through this and nobody liked it, nobody likes a chatacter thats a Black Latino Non Binary person when thats all they are. You think i watched Captain America because he's a blonde straight white guy? I watched becuase his character is quite complex, with enough layers to keep you invested in the stuff he's doing. If they'd made the exact same movie with the exact characterization of Captain America but with the only difference being that he was gay. I wouldn't be "Ohh they destroyed a classic with this woke shit" i would be "Fuck Yeah, its Captain America"

And that's my issue with all that forced reprecentation we're seeing in media. We should't be forced to like a character only because he's part of the LGTB+ Spectrum or the color of skin, we should liked the character because of his personality, his archievements, his struggles, stuff like that and not because of labels.

That isn't the representation's fault though? That's the writers' fault for making a poorly written character?

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HalfScoper said:
Your quickly made meme lacks quality, uses a dead template and is just cringe, also it does affect the quality for worse, because the plot mostly gets centered about their traits, and this is not limited to minorities in case of the snowflake community.

Read the above

Kioku · Jun 24, 2021

Scott_pilgrim said:
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I laughed out loud..

WG481 · Jun 24, 2021

Lilith Valentine said:
They can always just go with Monster Hunter Rise and several other games and just say, "Fuck it, pick a body type, voice, etc. and we even removed gender restrictions on clothing." This gives more customizations while avoiding the "controversies" of including LGBT+ people.

True, but that attracts different people to different things. You'll have the people who stick with the norm, those who stick with a character so overtly gay RuPaul wants to hire them for his Drag Race, and the always common, always hated, always feared absolute horndogs who pimp out the female selection with enormous boobs. I think, just with what's in store for Nintendo, they're gonna stick with M/F selection in Pokemon for the near future.

The other part of that is customization. The Mii engine is easy because they have such simple design, but Pokemon goes further with their designs in some cases. That means you need a full, new engine built exactly to customize every Pokemon Trainer's body, face, hair, etc. (which is more complicated than what the Mii Engine can do), and would ultimately result in delays on the Pokemon experience everybody wants.

stanleyopar2000 · Jun 24, 2021

fallguy441 said:
Please leave these kind of things out of a kid game.

keep politicz outta muh videahgames

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WG481 · Jun 24, 2021

Scott_pilgrim said:
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True accuracy

Shenrai · Jun 24, 2021

Meanwhile when I was a kid I was just wondering what to do all day.

Stealphie · Jun 24, 2021

Shenrai said:
Meanwhile when I was a kid I was just wondering what to do all day.

Non binary people exist :ghost: scary!!!

wartutor · Jun 24, 2021

Holy shit I must be old. I miss the times when you could tell a male and female apart by just there anatomy. Wtf this world is doomed we need a meteor to hit the reset button for us. Good god. Hey Dr. Fauci how about explaining the science of gender to us and please use science to back up your findings. (Cut to 1950s b/w propaganda film about the birds and bees lol)

Stealphie · Jun 24, 2021

wartutor said:
Holy shit I must be old. I miss the times when you could tell a male and female apart by just there anatomy. Wtf this world is doomed we need a meteor to hit the reset button for us. Good god. Hey Dr. Fauci how about explaining the science of gender to us and please use science to back up your findings. (Cut to 1950s b/w propaganda film about the birds and bees lol)

uh oh someone doesn't know the difference between sex and gender

WG481 · Jun 24, 2021

Stealphie said:
uh oh someone doesn't know the difference between sex and gender

Seriously, the synonym for gender is sex. Why else would it be on a drivers license. If you meant sexuality, that's different. If you meant the difference between biological gender and gender identity, then that's also different.

Sex = Gender
Gender = Sex
Biological gender = There are not two genders, there are four. Each is determined by chromosome pairings: XX - Female, XY - Male, in certain (very extremely rare cases) genderless and intersex are possible. Intersex would be caused by an extra chromosome (XXY, XYY, XXX) and cause different abnormalities such as someone with a wang having a period or a girl with testes instead of ovaries. Genderless (called Gonadal dysgenesis) is caused in the most extremely rare cases where a person does not have sex glands and thus, their gender is indeterminable at birth without genetic testing, which could result in being fully genderless, which is about as rare as having Rhnull blood (about .0000000551282051% of the population has this.)
Gender identity = What a person would like to be referred to as. Just like a name, it should be respected. A person can pick any pronoun to udentify with, but without surgical procedures and genetic testing, their biological gender remains the same.

The Catboy · Jun 24, 2021

WG481 said:
True, but that attracts different people to different things. You'll have the people who stick with the norm, those who stick with a character so overtly gay RuPaul wants to hire them for his Drag Race, and the always common, always hated, always feared absolute horndogs who pimp out the female selection with enormous boobs. I think, just with what's in store for Nintendo, they're gonna stick with M/F selection in Pokemon for the near future.

The other part of that is customization. The Mii engine is easy because they have such simple design, but Pokemon goes further with their designs in some cases. That means you need a full, new engine built exactly to customize every Pokemon Trainer's body, face, hair, etc. (which is more complicated than what the Mii Engine can do), and would ultimately result in delays on the Pokemon experience everybody wants.

I don’t see how people making overly gay characters is an issue, if anything it show how deeply customizable a game is. Gamers wanted games with super customization and having overly gay characters should be part of that desire. I think we might start seeing Nintendo moving away the stock binary. It might take time but we’ve already seen Nintendo of America removing binary translations of games, so I wouldn’t be shocked to start seeing that going back to Japanese at some point. There was a time when playing as a women or POC (person of color,) wasn’t a thing or was a rare thing in gaming, but times changed.

Stealphie · Jun 24, 2021

WG481 said:
Seriously, the synonym for gender is sex. Why else would it be on a drivers license. If you meant sexuality, that's different. If you meant the difference between biological gender and gender identity, then that's also different.

Sex = Gender
Gender = Sex
Biological gender = There are not two genders, there are four. Each is determined by chromosome pairings: XX - Female, XY - Male, in certain (very extremely rare cases) genderless and intersex are possible. Intersex would be caused by an extra chromosome (XXY, XYY, XXX) and cause different abnormalities such as someone with a wang having a period or a girl with testes instead of ovaries. Genderless (called Gonadal dysgenesis) is caused in the most extremely rare cases where a person does not have sex glands and thus, their gender is indeterminable at birth without genetic testing, which could result in being fully genderless, which is about as rare as having Rhnull blood (about .0000000551282051% of the population has this.)
Gender identity = What a person would like to be referred to as. Just like a name, it should be respected. A person can pick any pronoun to udentify with, but without surgical procedures and genetic testing, their biological gender remains the same.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/teens/all-about-sex-gender-and-gender-identity

WG481 · Jun 24, 2021

Stealphie said:
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/teens/all-about-sex-gender-and-gender-identity

Still I label it as incorrect. Gender and Sex are fluid terms to be used in both settings. I think what Planned Parenthood is trying to say is Gender Role, which is how we should act in society. Not gender.

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