Epic/EGS strike again

Kwyjor · Apr 13, 2021

VartioArtel said:
But I guess shills can't bother to look at the opposing point of view to form an objective opinion and will act like there is no evidence.

Nah, I'm just sick of watching interminable videos of people who prefer calling people names to actually getting to their point.

Whatever, guess you got me pegged, you win the Internet, yaaaaay.

VartioArtel · Apr 13, 2021

Kwyjor said:
Nah, I'm just sick of watching interminable videos of people who prefer calling people names to actually getting to their point.

Whatever, guess you got me pegged, you win the Internet, yaaaaay.

>interminable

Do... do you even know what that word means? Even if you don't, do you not know how to scan a video? When people call others shills it's for a reason. You're defending Epic without looking at, acknowledging (especially acknowledging), or even countering any evidence. You're making the issue about me rather than the evidence. Why? Because you have no point worthy to defend Epic.

FAST6191 said:
Trying to enter a saturated market, much less against a monopoly player, is an expensive hobby.

You can either build a massively better product (you download games, it is not hard, hence why there are a few pretenders and corpses of a several dozen more) or advertise your way in such that people switch (basically what is happening here, or at least is being attempted).

Anyway I am still pretty sure this is a win any way that it goes down, or at least not a loss.

1) If they take out Steam them fantastic or at least indifferent -- one arsehole is no different to another.

2) If they flame out then I do like to watch things burn.

3) If Steam and Epic take out each other then back to no great loss to the world.

So yeah act high and mighty if you want. I am still not seeing why I should harbour a dislike more than I do for any other system that DRM locks me and prevents me from selling/buying games from other people.

FAST6191 said:
Do people usually buy 19 games at once such that a shopping cart is a necessity?

Sorry for the late reply, somehow glanced over it. Maybe because somehow you were able to legally doublepost.

You can either build a massively better product (you download games, it is not hard, hence why there are a few pretenders and corpses of a several dozen more) or advertise your way in such that people switch (basically what is happening here, or at least is being attempted).

Epic has thus far been a massively inferior product. Inferior storefront, inferior customer quality (that I've heard of, and I haven't heard anything new in a year), and inferior checkout. Which brings me to this:

FAST6191 said:
Do people usually buy 19 games at once such that a shopping cart is a necessity?

I don't know about you, buy I prefer on average to, if I can, buy in bulk. I rely on a prepaid debit card, Credit Anxieties and all of that being why. My current one charges $1.50 everytime I make a charge. Y'know how much extra I'd need to charge my card if I wanted to buy all those games one by one like on the Epic Store? $5 for the actual money deposit, and $28.50 in the charges alone. This is the only card that works on some games I play with microtransactions too (which again, better bigger bundles than smaller ones if I can help it cause those $1.50s stack up).

That's $33.50 I'd need on top of the, let's say $30 per game? That's $603.50 instead of the $576.50 I'd be paying, Epic vs Steam. That's a painful difference in price.

That's using YOUR example, mind you. That also ignores the time it would take to fill out my card info every time per game purchased, vs once on Steam.

This also ignores the lack of a community for guides, mods (to my knowledge and last I heard Epic don't do mods), sharing content, etc, that Steam has built up. Steam is more than a seller, it's a whole platform. And that's why it's generally well respected. DRM or no.

Mind much of my info comes from a year back, but seeing as GBATemp has never felt it news worthy to announce Epic changing any of their policies like they have on Steam in the past, at least to my memory? I presume it's still much the same.

And considering the scummy move Epic made vs Apple with 198-Fortnite? They could offer every game for free for life and I'd still never touch Epic. I ain't defending steam/valve either. They've done some dumb shit over the years, including censor/ban games while permitting others which get less controversy for example. But they aren't dumb enough to literally bait companies in a public manner so they could sue-and-shame.

Lumstar · Apr 13, 2021

Spending Epic's money is a good thing. Redeem as many freebies as possible. We all should chip in to ensure to it goes toward supporting better game companies.

FAST6191 · Apr 13, 2021

VartioArtel said:
Sorry for the late reply, somehow glanced over it. Maybe because somehow you were able to legally doublepost.

Epic has thus far been a massively inferior product. Inferior storefront, inferior customer quality (that I've heard of, and I haven't heard anything new in a year), and inferior checkout. Which brings me to this:

I don't know about you, buy I prefer on average to, if I can, buy in bulk. I rely on a prepaid debit card, Credit Anxieties and all of that being why. My current one charges $1.50 everytime I make a charge. Y'know how much extra I'd need to charge my card if I wanted to buy all those games one by one like on the Epic Store? $5 for the actual money deposit, and $28.50 in the charges alone. This is the only card that works on some games I play with microtransactions too (which again, better bigger bundles than smaller ones if I can help it cause those $1.50s stack up).

That's $33.50 I'd need on top of the, let's say $30 per game? That's $603.50 instead of the $576.50 I'd be paying, Epic vs Steam. That's a painful difference in price.

That's using YOUR example, mind you. That also ignores the time it would take to fill out my card info every time per game purchased, vs once on Steam.

This also ignores the lack of a community for guides, mods (to my knowledge and last I heard Epic don't do mods), sharing content, etc, that Steam has built up. Steam is more than a seller, it's a whole platform. And that's why it's generally well respected. DRM or no.

Mind much of my info comes from a year back, but seeing as GBATemp has never felt it news worthy to announce Epic changing any of their policies like they have on Steam in the past, at least to my memory? I presume it's still much the same.

And considering the scummy move Epic made vs Apple with 198-Fortnite? They could offer every game for free for life and I'd still never touch Epic. I ain't defending steam/valve either. They've done some dumb shit over the years, including censor/ban games while permitting others which get less controversy for example. But they aren't dumb enough to literally bait companies in a public manner so they could sue-and-shame.

What double post? Someone replied 13 minutes after mine and I replied to that.

Anyway so a few intangibles (low cost items that theoretically add more value than dumping the equivalent cash into their account/credit*) if we are throwing around business terms and people seem ready to take it up the arse from them? How fun.

*if your job say gives you a turkey at Christmas then people seem to like that vs bulk rate turkey cost of what $30 a pop. Same idea. In this case badly replicating gamefaqs, moddb and user review aggregators (mods might be slightly more bulk data but they are presumably already doing that, others are basically a text website/forum) and in housing them... whoo.

Also curious. Did not realise banking was that bad. UK wise basically every child gets a free bank account when they are kids that they often roll with for many years (if not life, I still have mine all these decades later) and a debit card with strong enough fraud protections that not having a credit card is probably the default sent in the post when the time comes (before that you tend to get a cashpoint card to get money out and use the services inside, assuming they are not all machines) and transaction fees are occasionally in a petrol station on the side of a motorway (though that is rare these days) and on holiday. I had heard of banking deserts but not really considered their implications. Interesting.

As far as Steam being respected. Stockholm syndrome is indeed a terrible thing.

VartioArtel · Apr 13, 2021

FAST6191 said:
What double post? Someone replied 13 minutes after mine and I replied to that.

https://i.imgur.com/zNGfo9F.png

Anyway so a few intangibles (low cost items that theoretically add more value than dumping the equivalent cash into their account/credit*) if we are throwing around business terms and people seem ready to take it up the arse from them? How fun.

No offense, but I don't comprehend this.

*if your job say gives you a turkey at Christmas then people seem to like that vs bulk rate turkey cost of what $30 a pop. Same idea. In this case badly replicating gamefaqs, moddb and user review aggregators (mods might be slightly more bulk data but they are presumably already doing that, others are basically a text website/forum) and in housing them... whoo.

Feels like you're ignoring that these help with fostering an actual community. Which is STILL a part of the Steam Experience. Something that Epic lacks.

Also curious. Did not realise banking was that bad. UK wise basically every child gets a free bank account when they are kids that they often roll with for many years (if not life, I still have mine all these decades later) and a debit card with strong enough fraud protections that not having a credit card is probably the default sent in the post when the time comes (before that you tend to get a cashpoint card to get money out and use the services inside, assuming they are not all machines) and transaction fees are occasionally in a petrol station on the side of a motorway (though that is rare these days) and on holiday. I had heard of banking deserts but not really considered their implications. Interesting.

I can't speak for the UK, I'm U.S. . But yeah, I don't want nor care for a credit card. I just keep a debit card on hand (2nd card now as the first shadowbanned a game I played with no explaination) and use that for all my online purchases. Still tracks to me, but it only works with money I have, and not a loan or however that credit card stuff works. The only downside is, again, it costs $1.50 a purchase (admittably if I was a WAY more active purchaser and had money more often I'd probably upgrade to the... was it monthly or yearly system where it doesn't cost the $1.50 a purchase but required a regular payment - which honestly isn't that efficient for me.

As far as Steam being respected. Stockholm syndrome is indeed a terrible thing.

If a person wants to respect it, DRM or not, that is not Stockholm syndrome.

FAST6191 · Apr 13, 2021

VartioArtel said:
https://i.imgur.com/zNGfo9F.png

No offense, but I don't comprehend this.

Feels like you're ignoring that these help with fostering an actual community. Which is STILL a part of the Steam Experience. Something that Epic lacks.

I can't speak for the UK, I'm U.S. . But yeah, I don't want nor care for a credit card. I just keep a debit card on hand (2nd card now as the first shadowbanned a game I played with no explaination) and use that for all my online purchases. Still tracks to me, but it only works with money I have, and not a loan or however that credit card stuff works. The only downside is, again, it costs $1.50 a purchase (admittably if I was a WAY more active purchaser and had money more often I'd probably upgrade to the... was it monthly or yearly system where it doesn't cost the $1.50 a purchase but required a regular payment - which honestly isn't that efficient for me.

If a person wants to respect it, DRM or not, that is not Stockholm syndrome.

Guess you have people on ignore and the ignore thing was changed from "show this anyway". Try loading the thread in porn mode.

When steam vs everything else comes up people like to make long lists of things the service offers over and above "pay money for game, download game". In this case save backup, winding in a mod downloader, having reviews and whatever other costs basically nothing but effort things to implement and how that makes it the bestest evar and would never even consider leaving Steam. The general principle of giving something minor that tricks people into thinking it something nice, and said minor cost ultimately being way more valuable than just giving them the money, is generally known as an intangible if looking in the big book of business wonk terms (you might also meet it in games where rather than simply say doing guns by rate of fire vs damage done so everything is the same damage per second you throw in a wacky effect that allows something else entirely).

Whoo community. I know that is the buzzword of the day, and has demonstrable perks in business, but I would rather have cheap games (as well as games that can be resold, and nobody playing gatekeeper on an open platform).

I would also agree. Does not meet the literal definition of Stockholm syndrome, probably more in line with an abusive relationship or a cult.

VartioArtel · Apr 13, 2021

In this case save backup, winding in a mod downloader, having reviews and whatever other costs basically nothing but effort things to implement and how that makes it the bestest evar and would never even consider leaving Steam.

Yes, those little things of effort show more a care for the community than not bothering at all.

Also, if a proper competitor to steam showed up, I wouldn't mind going. However most competition either A: don't offer games I want (IE: Hades, a game I want yet still lack, is missing from humble and GoG, about the only other services I consider purchasing from); B: make it a habit to hide any criticism - especially of their own first party titles (Epic); and/or C: lack my current library.

C is a big part of it for a lot of people, not just myself. It's hard to reason using a different platform in that respect. Steam is a single launcher, and that means less programs to need to download, and less things to need to turn on/off.

Also, having an inbuilt community that is linked through your steam account has an extra benefit - no need to add friends in-game to join their games, or to type in IPs, etc, in many games linked to steam. Again - a very convenient function. Something Epic to my knowledge lacks.

There's so much you're underrating with a definite bias to steam. Again - I am not saying they're perfect. They've done some dumb shit, for certain. But nothing to my knowledge has been on the absolute levels of scum Epic have committed (to my knowledge, Steam hasn't for example bought out a game so they wouldn't go to Epic, like say that one Shenmue game). But there's so many benefits to it it's hard not to appreciate it in some form. I do actively check steam reviews at times for example. I do look through the community sections for info that may be lacking elsewhere or PC specific (IE: Trails of Cold Steel IV, I purchased last night, I had to go through the community to find the Music Files!).

Maybe it just ain't for you, but you seem almost intent on trying to imply anyone who doesn't dislike it has some sort of emotional or mental issue, which is quite frankly worse than a simple insult.

FAST6191 · Apr 13, 2021

I am still not sure why people get their knickers in a knot over a PC game publisher publishing PC games they paid for on their own service and not on another.
It is a bit tedious but hardly something worth getting upset over.

As far as people not disliking it. Any service that plays gatekeeper/censor and prevents resale of games I will harbour a dislike of.

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