1. VartioArtel

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    Amidst the Epic vs Apple lawsuit going on, to nobody's surprise, Tim Sweeny/Epic and the Epic Game store announced loses of about $600m since EGS went up.

    But that ain't the boot to the head here. They ofc try to spin any metric they could in their favor. They try to claim it's all in the effort of investments.

    (Source Reference: ).

    That metric I'm talking about this time? Free games. They tried to spin the # of free games, the volume of people who downloaded those free games, etc, as an implication their long term investments will pay off. AKA they get to imply 'we got all these people who will potentially purchase games from us in the future'.

    The exact same metric people here said Epic wouldn't use, has become an exact metric Epic has used in an attempt to validate their currently horridly designed platform.

    Let it be known people: a business will attempt to spin any little thing they can make you do as something in their favor. Don't bend the knee to a bad company doing bad or lazy practice businesses because they offer you a lollipop to get into the back of their van. They will kidnap you and attempt to claim "LOOK AT THIS WONDERFUL FAMILY I'M RAISING".
     
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    Timmy will keep burning through cash for at least a few more years. After all, EGS has nothing to offer besides third-party exclusivity and freebies. Eventually it'll become unsustainable though, and the second they drop those two "features" is the same second everybody uninstalls that malware permanently.
     
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    as things currently are with the lawsuits and the fact nobody wants to use their shit platform, they won't be profitable until at least 2027
     
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  4. VartioArtel

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    According to the report Epic expects loses until... 2027? Yeaaaah...
     
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    Yeah, I think they'll stop paying out for exclusives and freebies even before then, though.
     
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    Man, yall even complain about them wasting money. Isn't that what you'd want as diehard Epic haters? For them to waste all their money trying to build up an unsuccessful product?
     
  7. VartioArtel

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    No, I'm pointing out they tried to use people who got their free games as an excuse to say "WE'RE DOING SMART INVESTING". That this was the exact argument diehard epic schills like you used to say Epic wouldn't use and to "just download the free games".

    I'm not complaining about them losing money, I'm complaining they are abusing those who only come to their free games to try to warp the reality.
     
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    I don't think anyone here said anything that could be interpreted that way. If anything we're celebrating the losses, but I'm also being realistic about it. Forknife brings in at least double their losses on EGS. So let the losses mount in the years to come. :P
     
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  9. FAST6191

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    Trying to enter a saturated market, much less against a monopoly player, is an expensive hobby.

    You can either build a massively better product (you download games, it is not hard, hence why there are a few pretenders and corpses of a several dozen more) or advertise your way in such that people switch (basically what is happening here, or at least is being attempted).

    Anyway I am still pretty sure this is a win any way that it goes down, or at least not a loss.

    1) If they take out Steam them fantastic or at least indifferent -- one arsehole is no different to another.

    2) If they flame out then I do like to watch things burn.

    3) If Steam and Epic take out each other then back to no great loss to the world.

    So yeah act high and mighty if you want. I am still not seeing why I should harbour a dislike more than I do for any other system that DRM locks me and prevents me from selling/buying games from other people.
     
  10. the_randomizer

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    Maybe if they had a storefront that was actually functional and had a shopping cart, things would be different. Still better than the POS battle.net though.
     
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    Do people usually buy 19 games at once such that a shopping cart is a necessity?
     
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    It just sounds like a typical modern day tech startup mentality, accept you’ll make a large loss now and hope to make it profitable in time.

    Although I can’t see much changing unless either consumers are forced to use it whilst being profitable or the ‘Fortnite generation’ develops a ‘no EGS no buy’ mentality.

    I’ve heard of issues in the past where multiple transactions triggered the anti-fraud protection.
     
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    Yes, or at least 3-4 at a time when they're on sale. Whenever you find yourself asking the question "does anybody use X feature that EGS doesn't have," the answer is always yes.
     
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    Don't get baited. Song and dance has been done with fast in every epic games topic.

    People will point out X, Y or Z missing features, and fast will handwave them away everytime because you can bolt together something similar with multiple programs or he can't believe people are lazy/attached to convenience.

    Waste of time and will go in circles until you are bored.
     
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    One of those everybody only uses 10% but a different 10% deals?
     
  16. Xzi

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    If we're talking about the shopping cart in particular, it's probably closer to 90% of users utilizing it on Steam. Pretty basic stuff. Various other features see various levels of usage, but at the very least they provide a compelling reason to download additional software. In that sense, EGS might as well only exist as a website.
     
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    That's no excuse not to have one in 2021. They need to get with the times, that's a lame-ass excuse.
     
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    I feel like the fact that they are pretty much trying to kill Steam and doing nothing to learn from Steam is the problem. The problem with Epic as a whole is that they are literally out there just trying to kill all their competitors by literally just throwing endless amounts of money around in the hopes of success. They aren't really investing in learning any of the flaws in Steam or PC gaming, they aren't looking to improve anything, they are just throwing money into the wind and hoping that will kill everyone.
     
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    Um... Who exactly is "spinning the metric here"?

    I'm not interested in watching someone's 15-minute Youtube spiel, but I read https://www.pcgamer.com/epic-games-store-exclusives-apple-lawsuit/ , which suggests Apple is throwing around numbers about Epic.

    I might add that Amazon lost absolutely ridiculous amounts of money in its early years and still technically only posts "low profits".
    https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/8/2...ofits-revenue-free-cash-flow-explained-charts
     
  20. VartioArtel

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    Y'know, you'd see the tweet in question if you did bother to view the video. But I guess shills can't bother to look at the opposing point of view to form an objective opinion and will act like there is no evidence.


    Found within the video, but you wouldn't know that because you can't be arsed to find the evidence within something I already provide.

    And in case you missed it even with that:

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    This is the part I'm emphasizing. As I stated:

     
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