Christmas Nintendo Gigaleak reportedly contains Mariko BootRom source code and Let's Go beta

ZachyCatGames · Dec 26, 2020

Sora Takihawa said:
ok but the question is why even bring the first revision out ....why work on 2 revisions

Because they had already completed work on and were producing the original device?
There’s more to developing new devices than the SoC

GBADWB said:
There probably was a deal to use up the rest of nvidias stock of Tegra X1's sitting around to save $. keep in mind that nintendo went full on trying to profit off switch hardware sales. It was not being sold at a loss.

They weren’t using spare/old stock.
They were all newly manufactured chips from what I can tell.

Kanakops · Dec 26, 2020

can someone explain me quickly the concept of bootrom?

GBADWB · Dec 26, 2020

Kanakops said:
can someone explain me quickly the concept of bootrom?

when you turn any computational device on, there needs to be an instruction that has to happen at the start. The bootrom is a piece of read only memory that contains the first set of instructions required for a device to boot. what the device does after depends on later design, but due to it being read only memory, its the part of the design that cannot be patched via conventional update.

A typical bootrom will usually load a bootloader in, which will load the OS onto memory. The bootrom itself however can be harddesigned to do this on its own, as it is just a piece of code written into fixed memory

so to take a switch example for instance, the bootrom of the switch when exploited can run code at some adress that makes it load a software bootloader(like Hekete) or w/e bootloader one designs it.

White_Raven_X · Dec 26, 2020

Yay.. Hacked Mariko 's!

Ampersound · Dec 26, 2020

DoubleDate said:
Come one its their property. Nintendo has all the right to take any meassures. We know that most of people dont download CFW just for "Homebrew" When Nintendo trows a new update and CFW is not working, everyone is asking when a new update is going to be released so they can continue playing on CFW. People get angry because Nintendo take meassures to stop people using CFW games, that normally are bought on stores or Eshop. I do like CFW as well, but just blamimg Nintendo and all while people are using their services for free is not fair at all, is it.

"Nintendo has all the right to take any meassures"..
OK, guess it's ok for the Nintendo NInjas to burn your house down because of a suspicion you're connected to the homebrew scene.
Or kidnap you.
But by god let's make sure that nobody circumvents copyright protection!!!111!1

FAST6191 · Dec 26, 2020

Sora Takihawa said:
i guess you didnt understood what i meant but ok.....there are allways people who say f...nintendo cfw needs update again and so on.....but many dont even bash at em in this case .....Nintendo can protect their property....they can take measurements against....but what not ok is...even if they are hackers......they dont have the right to get ANY PRIVATE INFO about em.....ok.....living place and work is ok (they actually need that info)..but....what tf they need releationship.....family and other crap?......thats what is concerning.....to force someone to work for em....i mean....WTF

Is it private info?
If it is gleaned from public sources and observations of you in public (as in the other thread this is a basic background info from a private investigator type deal, nothing radical really). Something you will also want to know if you are planning to take someone to court -- if they are a millionaire playboy hacker then that you approach far differently to average man on the street but with some computer skills. Know their routine, their support structure and their abilities/disposition -- know your enemy and all that.

Forcing is equally a strong term, though it could well end up as "offer you can't refuse" it is never the less a thing you can do and incentive to not have to deal with going to court is one aspect of it.

I am really still struggling to see why it rubs people the wrong way so seriously.

smf · Dec 26, 2020

Ampersound said:
"Nintendo has all the right to take any meassures"..
OK, guess it's ok for the Nintendo NInjas to burn your house down because of a suspicion you're connected to the homebrew scene.
Or kidnap you.
But by god let's make sure that nobody circumvents copyright protection!!!111!1

If Nintendo got caught burning your house down or kidnapping you, then they would be in serious legal trouble.

Assuming the mariko bootrom is already available, the bootrom source is probably not going to make any difference.

proflayton123 · Dec 26, 2020

It seems the ninjas didnt catch on quick enough

realtimesave · Dec 26, 2020

Although I can't do anything with it, I just had to seek out and download the Mariko source code and documents lol. so damn easy to find.

ChibiMofo · Dec 26, 2020

ShroomKing said:
you exploit binaries not source code. this doesn't really get us anything we didn't already know.

Uh, yeah. You're clearly not an elite hacker. In fact you clearly aren't a hacker. In fact you clearly know very little if anything about the hacking process or writing code. No one who does would suggest that having the source code does not help in exploiting the resulting binaries.
LOL!

ShroomKing · Dec 26, 2020

ChibiMofo said:
Uh, yeah. You're clearly not an elite hacker. In fact you clearly aren't a hacker. In fact you clearly know very little if anything about the hacking process or writing code. No one who does would suggest that having the source code does not help in exploiting the resulting binaries.
LOL!

In this case it doesn't help much if at all.

WTF is an elite hacker?

Dominator211 · Dec 26, 2020

I am personally interested in the beta Builds of pokemon, particularly beta builds of XY, Also if any builds exist of their sequels which were planned and were probably in development at that point.

Purple_Heart · Dec 26, 2020

i have 3 betabuilds of pokemon sword (patched for retail consoles)

Valery0p · Dec 26, 2020

Btw, does anyone know what's the key combination Nintendo uses to boot recovery mode on a switch lite? Is the "hidden button" even accessibile without opening the console in this revision? (Because if it is, that could have been a nice way to dissuade a lot of people from modding their consoles; IIRC that's what happens with WiiU SD boot)
I mean, it might not be that useful if this time the bug isn't in the RCM usb protocol, but you know

Adran_Marit · Dec 26, 2020

Sora Takihawa said:
i have 3 betabuilds of pokemon sword (patched for retail consoles)

Remember they are illegal to share here

Valery0p said:
Btw, does anyone know what's the key combination Nintendo uses to boot recovery mode on a switch lite? Is the "hidden button" even accessibile without opening the console in this revision? (Because if it is, that could have been a nice way to dissuade a lot of people from modding their consoles; IIRC that's what happens with WiiU SD boot)
I mean, it might not be that useful if this time the bug isn't in the RCM usb protocol, but you know

I doubt it but I'm no expert on the lite

FAST6191 · Dec 27, 2020

ChibiMofo said:
Uh, yeah. You're clearly not an elite hacker. In fact you clearly aren't a hacker. In fact you clearly know very little if anything about the hacking process or writing code. No one who does would suggest that having the source code does not help in exploiting the resulting binaries.
LOL!

I don't know.

If I was given a Windows box, told to hack it and said "fancy having source code" then all day long will I take source.

Source may well reveal things that a basic disassembly, especially if assembly skills are anything less than http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html (which is going to be most even self styled hackers these days), might well miss, though I have also caught things in assembly that I might not have spotted in source (especially if is a language or revision thereof I don't know. This also says nothing of the compiler maybe having a fault).

If it is a boot ROM then if it is the usual burned in a few hundred bytes of something at die level (which would be a sweet place to exploit as... burned into something at die level as they will likely not issue a recall for that) then that has maybe a basic power on self test, failure/recovery boot option and normal boot option guarded by basic crypto (public-private or HMAC... really does not matter) with no special bells and whistles that might lead to interesting exploits then that is the sort of thing you can pretty thoroughly vet with manual analysis of a disassembly, and as such that renders source code as cool to see but not much else.

Jhyrachy · Dec 27, 2020

ChibiMofo said:
Uh, yeah. You're clearly not an elite hacker. In fact you clearly aren't a hacker. In fact you clearly know very little if anything about the hacking process or writing code. No one who does would suggest that having the source code does not help in exploiting the resulting binaries.
LOL!

What you are suggesting is called "security trough obscurity" and has been disproved multiple times.

The source code of pretty much all cryptographical process is public, but they haven't been broken.

That's because a well designed system does not rely on the lack of knowledge of its protections to be safe.

What the source code will do, is help the people who understand cybersecurity to find if there is any pre existing exploit not yet discovered.

This is done pretty much every time any system is updated (even computer OS like windows and linux):
Check what the updates change, study why it has been changed, exploit on the systems not up to date.

M7L7NK7 · Dec 27, 2020

Are encounters still like pokemon go in the beta

ahan · Dec 27, 2020

Could this mean there might be another exploit for Mariko units?

Draxzelex · Dec 27, 2020

ahan said:
Could this mean there might be another exploit for Mariko units?

No or at the very least unlikely.

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