Would you rather have a computer but no phone, or a phone but no computer? Why?

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yeah, i get not too many people would want to do this, but seeing as how wifi is often a detachable board, couldn't a sim+wifi board be made? and as such, it would only need to be sent for testing every time they make a new board (not as often as a new laptop model)
Yeah, why has no one made a usb dongle with a sim card slot? It seems to me that it could be useful even for desktop when the broadband is down. I'm assuming it's because if you have a sim card then you probably have a phone you can just tether, but I'm still surprised no one has tried it.
 
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Yeah, why has no one made a usb dongle with a sim card slot? It seems to me that it could be useful even for desktop when the broadband is down. I'm assuming it's because if you have a sim card then you probably have a phone you can just tether, but I'm still surprised no one has tried it.
if you are being sarcastic, i get its an extremely niche product, like, usb antenas are already niche nowadays, this would be nicher, but there are probably some people who may make use of this, if you are not, as @FAST6191 already pointed out tsim card dongles have been a thing for a while
 
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Not sarcastic, I had no idea there was usb sim card adapters already. It's cool to learn new stuff!
no problem lol, i just cant tell sarcasm through context so i often reply twice for both theoretical scenarios
 

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I know what you mean by phone and computer, but by the definition of a computer, a phone is also a computer.

Back to your question. I would ask back, is electricity an expensive and limited resource? If the answer is yes, then I would pick a smartphone because commonly a smartphone draws less power than a standard PC/laptop. Otherwise, I would pick a PC like most answers.
 
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I know what you mean by phone and computer, but by the definition of a computer, a phone is also a computer.

Back to your question. I would ask back, is electricity an expensive and limited resource? If the answer is yes, then I would pick a smartphone because commonly a smartphone draws less power than a standard PC/laptop. Otherwise, I would pick a PC like most answers.
i know that, that's why at the end i said i knew it, it's kinda like the comic/manga situation, sure, the definition is tecnically the same, but most likely you think of different works whenever any of those words are brought up, even if they technically are the same word but in different languages. as for the electricity thing, now that i think about it, we've only seen the arm equivalent of an intel atom for the last few years, since the arm processors inside phones are designed to be low power, just like atoms inside low end laptops/netbooks (and even intel cpu's with an H subfix and whatever amd's subfix was, though they still consume more power than a phone), even so, things like the difference between docked switch vs handheld switch, or the ouya, vs phones with the same soc but without active cooling and constant power source, make me very excited for whenever apple releases a desktop with an arm processor, even if i will never buy it on principle of it being an apple product
 
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i know that, that's why at the end i said i knew it, it's kinda like the comic/manga situation, sure, the definition is tecnically the same, but most likely you think of different works whenever any of those words are brought up, even if they technically are the same word but in different languages. as for the electricity thing, now that i think about it, we've only seen the arm equivalent of an intel atom for the last few years, since the arm processors inside phones are designed to be low power, just like atoms inside low end laptops/netbooks (and even intel cpu's with an H subfix and whatever amd's subfix was, though they still consume more power than a phone), even so, things like the difference between docked switch vs handheld switch, or the ouya, vs phones with the same soc but without active cooling and constant power source, make me very excited for whenever apple releases a desktop with an arm processor, even if i will never buy it on principle of it being an apple product

Yeah, I am excited about Apple replacing Intel's x86 with their Arm processor too. (Also the new top supercomputer from Fujitsu that uses ARM). Today's smartphone's processors are almost as capable as desktop PC processors at least for office purposes.

As for gaming, I think the newer chips are capable of outputting decent graphics at their low power draw (please don't compare a 350 watt 3080 to a 10 watt boost mobile processors lol).
 
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As for gaming, I think the newer chips are capable of outputting decent graphics at their low power draw (please don't compare a 350 watt 3080 to a 10 watt boost mobile processors lol).
yeah, i get it's not a fair comparison, though on mobile the main thing holding graphics back is developers not wanting to make AAA tier games for mobile, just look at the nvidia shield, it's perfectly runs half life 2, portal, resident evil 5, and more, and they did that in 2014, there is no reason flagships wouldnt run games at similar, if not better graphics than switch.
 
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yeah, i get not too many people would want to do this, but seeing as how wifi is often a detachable board, couldn't a sim+wifi board be made? and as such, it would only need to be sent for testing every time they make a new board (not as often as a new laptop model)
I don't know the full RF devices regs for these sorts of things (I try not to mess with such things -- RF voodoo is a weird world) but quite often for the things I have read then "not detachable under normal operation" tends to be the order of the day. If you have to power down a machine, bust out a screwdriver, unscrew back panels, unplug an antenna that otherwise snakes its way around the screen (there will often be a third wire joining the two wifi antennas), possibly unscrew the card as well you have then made a device which made not put out interference and accept it as well plus all the extras you have for anything tapping into the mobile phone networks, and changes can be very minor indeed. It can also come the other way and said detachable nature can make things fun which is why some will in turn have moulded in SIM card slots (possibly still under a screw). If tether + USB + nearly ubiquitous wifi is going to be enough for people then that will probably be what designers go in for.

If you are really captivated by the idea of an internal 3g modem or whatever go have a chat with your local laptop recycler. It is a common feature in business grade laptops and frankly that is what I suggest everybody gets anyway -- most of the time for what you will be paying for a basic or half nice consumer laptop you get something a few years old and they are usually built to be used (nice to type on, nice to read in sunlight), built like tanks (you tend to want to impress the executives), will likely have spare parts available 10 years in the future, said spare parts/service in general will tend to be reasonable easy vs 5 million screws to replace a battery, have nice docking stations (though USB-C has changed the game somewhat here) and sometimes nowadays even come with half nice graphics cards (for years they were not so much here).

I don't know what goes for USB modems these days (they were more popular back when tethering was an evil idea that nobody should ever do and phones were less up to the task). A few seem to still exist but most seem to be pushing "mobile hotspots" instead.
 
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Carry it with wallpaper?
I don't think I have ever changed such a thing, save maybe to "colour what is easy to read" if the default options decide yellow text on white background is in.

Equally are speaking to friends and family and, assuming you deem it a good thing, joining a social network not possible with a computer? I do see a few heavily favour phones these days.
 
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Easy decision: Only the full-fledged computer will suffice my needs. Reasons:
  • Hardware keyboard (still have some old IBM keyboards)
  • Bigger screen
  • More "power" (CPU, GPU, HDD/SSD, RAM…)
  • More connectors for various hardware
  • Especially: Missing Ethernet on phones
  • Did I mention hardware keyboard? No, small Bluetooth keyboards don't satisfy me.
Last but not least:
  • Full system control, freedom to choose a free operating system (I know it's problematic with current PCs but way better situation than on phones). I don't trust a smartphone as far as I can throw it – and I'm bad at throwing things.

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My hardware based complaints concerning phones can be attacked looking at the specifications of modern very expensive phones which to some extend are powerful machines. Connecting external devices might be more or less possible with some workarounds. Still not the same level as a big classic tower PC from the aspect of "power" and (easy) connectivity with virtually any external hardware.
 
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Fuck phones, you're locked out of many things and are at the mercy of Google/Apple.
Can't repair them that easily, can't upgrade them that easily plus I like being able to have a full physical keyboard instead of a shitty touchscreen.
 

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I don't own a smart phone since I hate the ways it affects every day life. Yes, there are benefits, but they don't outweigh the waste of time they cause for so many people.

I use an mp3 player to listen to music on the go and use a gps device for travelling - most of the other stuff a smart phone makes possible doesn't need to be done on the go, if you ask me.

So yeah, I easily vote for computer-only.
 
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I don't know the full RF devices regs for these sorts of things (I try not to mess with such things -- RF voodoo is a weird world) but quite often for the things I have read then "not detachable under normal operation" tends to be the order of the day. If you have to power down a machine, bust out a screwdriver, unscrew back panels, unplug an antenna that otherwise snakes its way around the screen (there will often be a third wire joining the two wifi antennas), possibly unscrew the card as well you have then made a device which made not put out interference and accept it as well plus all the extras you have for anything tapping into the mobile phone networks, and changes can be very minor indeed. It can also come the other way and said detachable nature can make things fun which is why some will in turn have moulded in SIM card slots (possibly still under a screw). If tether + USB + nearly ubiquitous wifi is going to be enough for people then that will probably be what designers go in for.

If you are really captivated by the idea of an internal 3g modem or whatever go have a chat with your local laptop recycler. It is a common feature in business grade laptops and frankly that is what I suggest everybody gets anyway -- most of the time for what you will be paying for a basic or half nice consumer laptop you get something a few years old and they are usually built to be used (nice to type on, nice to read in sunlight), built like tanks (you tend to want to impress the executives), will likely have spare parts available 10 years in the future, said spare parts/service in general will tend to be reasonable easy vs 5 million screws to replace a battery, have nice docking stations (though USB-C has changed the game somewhat here) and sometimes nowadays even come with half nice graphics cards (for years they were not so much here).

I don't know what goes for USB modems these days (they were more popular back when tethering was an evil idea that nobody should ever do and phones were less up to the task). A few seem to still exist but most seem to be pushing "mobile hotspots" instead.
trust me when i say i will never see a computer recycling center where i live, if someone considers a computer to be too old to use here, it ends up in normal trash, i've rescued some of off there, but i cant bring every single one home, and it needs to really be considered old to be there, good rule of thumb is 15 years old is unlikely, and 20+ is the most common, there are however a few usb modems, and some even work as wifi modems, though for some reason, movistar and antel (the two biggest phone companies, the third and only other, claro, is mostly to give coverage to tourtists) will not sell them through their online store, only physical stands, they are also surprisingly not by unknown brands, i remember a huawei usb one, as well as huawei and alcatel for the wifi capable ones, sure, they are not the most trustable brands in the world, but they arent things like genius or kolke
 

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I'm glad to see most people are savvy enough to know a computer is much more useful than a phone. But GBAtemp users are just a small portion of the general public. I'm not sure the general public would choose the same answer. I think they would choose overwhelmingly the phone or tablet. They don't have the same priorities as us.
 
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I'm glad to see most people are savvy enough to know a computer is much more useful than a phone. But GBAtemp users are just a small portion of the general public. I'm not sure the general public would choose the same answer. I think they would choose overwhelmingly the phone or tablet. They don't have the same priorities as us.
yeah, kinda the reason i made the thread, i vividly remember not many having a computer im iddleschool and highschool, i dont want to sound elitist or sexist, but they often were iphone users (not only iphone users, but the sterethypical iphone user in latinamerica), and women
 
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It really depends on the context given for me.

Honestly I could get away with a phone. It's portable and doesn't require a desk or a table to use. It can't do much but if you don't need a computer for anything that isn't productivity or video games, then why use a computer.

To give evidence of what I am saying there: I have not used my laptop for over a week.


Of course, if you need to get work done, play games, or do anything a phone cannot do, and you stay at home most of the time, PC would be a definitive winner. As long as you have an internet connection you can do everything a phone can do and much more.
 
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trust me when i say i will never see a computer recycling center where i live, if someone considers a computer to be too old to use here, it ends up in normal trash, i've rescued some of off there, but i cant bring every single one home, and it needs to really be considered old to be there, good rule of thumb is 15 years old is unlikely, and 20+ is the most common, there are however a few usb modems, and some even work as wifi modems, though for some reason, movistar and antel (the two biggest phone companies, the third and only other, claro, is mostly to give coverage to tourtists) will not sell them through their online store, only physical stands, they are also surprisingly not by unknown brands, i remember a huawei usb one, as well as huawei and alcatel for the wifi capable ones, sure, they are not the most trustable brands in the world, but they arent things like genius or kolke

Hmm. At points I have done or have been part of a roaring trade in reconditioned and ready to go business laptops to countries of less than great development (various parts of west Africa and Bangladesh) as they all get bored of ancient stuff or Chinese junk that falls apart as if you look at it harshly. Should you find yourself in villages in Ghana and the village laptop is not using IE and is a nice IBM/Lenovo with a choice range of software then it might well be one of mine.

Anyway palette of the things to Uruguay... could be something to ponder.
 
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