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Is hydroxycloroquine really efficient at treating covid-19?

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US: "If only there were some way to deal with this thing."
Other countries: "There is! We have drastically lowered infection rates. All we had to do was lockdown for a few weeks and - "
US: "Oh well, I guess there's nothing left to do but down random pills and hope for the best."
Other countries: "...The solution is literally a Google search away. You can stop this in 4 to 6 weeks. Look at how well it's worked for places like Italy who was once believed to be hopeless. We know you're concerned about the economy but by not acting on this now you're actually making your economic future worse because -"
US: "Bottoms up!"

Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

In my countr Chile the poor guys in the capital have been like 4 fu$#ing months in FULL quarantine, because these politicians are completely bought out to the socialists agendas, and YET the numbers are higher!

This is all fake and I have explained it, a few posts back. Is all for control, is sickening. And believe me, my country folks are stupid enough to even use the masks at home! Even driving cars! They are stupid to no end, and yet the virus keeps going up.

I am not making this up.
 

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Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

In my countr Chile the poor guys in the capital have been like 4 fu$#ing months in FULL quarantine, because these politicians are completely bought out to the socialists agendas, and YET the numbers are higher!

This is all fake and I have explained it, a few posts back. Is all for control, is sickening. And believe me, my country folks are stupid enough to even use the masks at home! Even driving cars! They are stupid to no end, and yet the virus keeps going up.

I am not making this up.
Odd that you say that because Vietnam is one of the countries that went into full quarantine and they have zero deaths, and hardly any cases. New Zealand has had only 22 deaths, South Korea has had only 300 deaths, Taiwan has had 7, I could list several more. Why have these countries had so few cases? Because they took proper precautions like wearing masks, and because these countries have actual good healthcare.
 
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Odd that you say that because Vietnam is one of the countries that went into full quarantine and they have zero deaths, and hardly any cases. New Zealand has had only 22 deaths, South Korea has had only 300 deaths, Taiwan has had 7, I could list several more. Why have these countries had so few cases? Because they took proper precautions like wearing masks, and because these countries have actual good healthcare.
He also said a few posts back that there were "hardly any" sick people in his country's hospitals. Odd how his anecdotal evidence keeps changing as necessary to support his inconsistent arguments. :unsure:
 
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Yeah if you listen to the very ones spreading the false info.

People forget the US is divided in 2. - (Actually 13 if you research and want to be technical)
 
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Odd that you say that because Vietnam is one of the countries that went into full quarantine and they have zero deaths, and hardly any cases. New Zealand has had only 22 deaths, South Korea has had only 300 deaths, Taiwan has had 7, I could list several more. Why have these countries had so few cases? Because they took proper precautions like wearing masks, and because these countries have actual good healthcare.

We have good healthcare, my city has one of the best hospitals in south america, do not understimate my country. This is political, the virus is maleable because the sample from the WHO is hacked.

So, it can be used to any countrie's politician/president advantage. They can lower or up the cases on will, according to the need of control. Didn't you know my country was RAVAGED by fires and terrorism last year? Like we had NEVER seen before in our history?

Why do you think the numbers are kept up here? To keep the demon hordes calm, that's why. This is all FAKE

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He also said a few posts back that there were "hardly any" sick people in his country's hospitals. Odd how his anecdotal evidence keeps changing as necessary to support his inconsistent arguments. :unsure:

You funny bastard, I speak for the capital (high FAKE cases, were the hordes live). My city is near the antartic, in the very south (empty hospital I spoke of). But still what makes you believe that higher counted covid19 positives mean higher filled hospitals? This is FAKE, remember that word. There are huge numbers of "suppossed" (fake) covid19 positives quarintining at home according to my fake ass government anyways.
 
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This is FAKE, remember that word.
Same thing a bunch of high-profile idiots on Twitter were saying until someone close to them got infected. Then they deleted their accounts to avoid the ridicule that was bound to follow. I'm sure you wouldn't tell us if you or someone close to you got infected, but hopefully it would humble you a bit regardless.
 

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Same thing a bunch of high-profile idiots on Twitter were saying until someone close to them got infected. Then they deleted their accounts to avoid the ridicule that was bound to follow. I'm sure you wouldn't tell us if you or someone close to you got infected, but hopefully it would humble you a bit regardless.

By that, I see you have not understand not even one word I have said. Fucking idiot, you are fucking ignorant idiot. 40% asshole! That was the percentage of people testing POSITIVE in my countries capital! Of the ones being TESTED

THIS IS BECAUSE THE SAMPLE BY THE WHO IS HACKED, MEANT TO BE LIKE THIS.

BECAUSE THE SAMPLE IS GENERIC

Just search for exosomes idiot, investigate.
 

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40% asshole! That was the percentage of people testing POSITIVE in my countries capital! Of the ones being TESTED
Your point being? The majority of those who get tested do so because they're experiencing symptoms. Arizona has also had a number of days where the positivity rate was close to 40%. With how infectious this virus is, it's well within the realm of plausibility.

THIS IS BECAUSE THE SAMPLE BY THE WHO IS HACKED, MEANT TO BE LIKE THIS.

BECAUSE THE SAMPLE IS GENERIC
ROFL you think there's a virus or disease out there that would test positive against every single other virus or disease? Dumbest shit I've ever heard. :rofl2:
 

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Your point being? The majority of those who get tested do so because they're experiencing symptoms. Arizona has also had a number of days where the positivity rate was close to 40%. With how infectious this virus is, it's well within the realm of plausibility.


ROFL you think there's a virus or disease out there that would test positive against every single other virus or disease? Dumbest shit I've ever heard. :rofl2:

Fucking dumbass you didn't understand a word. I guess God has made some people deaf and blind. Scary stuff.
 

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Fucking dumbass you didn't understand a word. I guess God has made some people deaf and blind. Scary stuff.
There's nothing to understand because there's nothing coherent about your conspiracy theory. If COVID infection rates are means to "control unruly populations," why do some peaceful countries have high infection rates while some some chaotic ones have low infection rates? Moreover, if WHO is pulling the strings behind all of this, how do you explain positive tests coming back from so many other local health authorities? Most places are not sending their test samples to be processed by WHO, that would be extremely inefficient.

Occam's razor, friend. Stop wasting your time with baseless nonsense. Or just keep acting the fool and getting called out for it, I guess that's always an option too.
 
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There's nothing to understand because there's nothing coherent about your conspiracy theory. If COVID infection rates are means to "control unruly populations," why do some peaceful countries have high infection rates while some some chaotic ones have low infection rates? Moreover, if WHO is pulling the strings behind all of this, how do you explain positive tests coming back from so many other local health authorities? Most places are not sending their test samples to be processed by WHO, that would be extremely inefficient.

Occam's razor, friend. Stop wasting your time with baseless nonsense. Or just keep acting the fool and getting called out for it, I guess that's always an option too.

I admire your relentlessness (if that is even word of course). But it is funny how you try to win your empty arguments, by calling me out ooohh poor me.

Do I have to explain you with beans? The sample the WHO gives ALL medical stuff in every country is the same, or do you think each country has done their own gold standard on the pneumonia phenomenon? Not that I know.

As I see, medical institutions are simply working with the sample given by the WHO, they use it to test against the sample they take. The PCR sample the WHO has is a sample filled with exosomes and does not show any virus or bacteria.

The problem here is simple, this genetic material sample can be very common and can be found in any person (similar match). EVEN if the sample was taken from a "pneumonia phenomenon covid19" patient, this "virus" DOES NOT show in this sample!

Even if it existed the sample used by the WHO and medical institutions DOES not work for anything but fooling the world. Do you get it now?

This info was shared more than 2 months ago by various doctors in the USA, search for a video on Youtube by Dr. Andre Kaufman.

If you watch that video, that lasts 45 minutes, very serious staff, you'll get it.

Now, sure, you dont HAVE TO believe this is the sample doctors are using to test against, but it would explain the ridiculous amount of cases and the many situation that don't add up, things that make no sense. Like people never having contact with anyone, and still getting the "supposed" virus. Or people with the symptoms but NO VIRUS!

Look, there may be something, but is not this pandemic, there is a pneumonia phenomenon happening, specially in cities like New York and even Ecuador. But it is not this fake virus.
 
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The problem here is simple, this genetic material sample can be very common and can be found in any person.
In which case positivity rates would be much closer to 100% across the board.

This info was shared more than 2 months ago by various doctors in the USA, search for a video on Youtube by Dr. Andre Kaufman.
Youtube is far from a reliable source of information. This guy could have a doctorate in a completely unrelated field or have no doctorate at all and still claim to be reputable.

Look, there may be something, but is not this pandemic, there is a pneumonia phenomenon happening, specially in cities like New York and even Ecuador. But it is not this fake virus.
The question then becomes who benefits from saying it's one type of virus when it's really another? And what difference does it really make if the infection rates and death rates are being reported correctly? Should it not be taken seriously anyway?
 

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In which case positivity rates would be much closer to 100% across the board.


Youtube is far from a reliable source of information. This guy could have a doctorate in a completely unrelated field or have no doctorate at all and still claim to be reputable.


The question then becomes who benefits from saying it's one type of virus when it's really another? And what difference does it really make if the infection rates and death rates are being reported correctly? Should it not be taken seriously anyway?

To the first question, no, because, I mean you would have to see the microscopic sample. In it, there is a small amount of exsosomes and that´s pretty much it.

What are exosomes? We all generate exosomes, they are liberated by the cell when we are deintoxicating ourselves. Here is the deal, this PCR sample is done by pouring fluid into the lungs, then it is simply taken out, then filtered.

This sample is not deep at all and it is used to check for cases of Cancer. When the sample has an abundant/huge amount of exosomes in it, that means that "probably" the patient has lung cancer. Or, it could be that he had just quit drugs, or cigarettes, etc therefore, generating lots of exosomes.

The weird part is that the WHO has used this PCR test, that is used for cancer to take the base sample of Covid19. Then this sample, if you find it, it's in the video, just shows some exosomes, not a lot, within some genetic material, that's it. The shape of exosomes is oval like, and it is shown as such. Viruses are round, there is no virus in this sample.

With this a lot of people could share a sample such as this, as we all generate some exosomes because that is the natural thing to do, if we are super healthy, we shouldnt show much or any, if we are normal, probably we have some like on the covid19 sample, if we are quitting smoking we generate more, etc.

Also, no gold standard has been done to find this Virus, check on gold standard on Google please.

And yes you are right, this Andrew Kaufman has a doctorate in psicology, but has worked in the medical institutions for decades, and it is a doctor anyways.

Now it just depends if we believe in these doctors or not, as simple as that. I am been honest, I wish, but I have not been able to find the gold standard microscopic covid19 investigation papers anywhere.

I honestly WISH this virus was real, the problem is that there is a shadow of bullshit in all this.
 
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I am been honest, I wish, but I have not been able to find the gold standard microscopic covid19 investigation papers anywhere.
Does this type of paper not require extensive studying of the virus and thorough knowledge of its inner-workings? Is it really reasonable to expect something like this to be completed within eight months of the discovery of a brand new virus?
 

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Here's a pretty long excerpt from this article that you should read:
Amid growing evidence the drug is not effective, the FDA announced in June that it had revoked the EUA for the drugs because they are “unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses in the EUA,” and that the “known and potential benefits” of the drugs “no longer outweigh” the risks — which can include “serious cardiac adverse events and other potential serious side effects.”

A large randomized controlled study called RECOVERY, in the U.K., reported in a preprint, which hasn’t been peer-reviewed, that hydroxychloroquine wasn’t associated with reduced mortality — and was actually associated with “an increased length of hospital stay and increased risk of progressing to invasive mechanical ventilation or death.” The study said that 26.8% of the 1,561 patients given hydroxychloroquine died within 28 days, whereas 25% of patients given usual care died in that time span — a difference that was not statistically significant.

The authors wrote that “these results indicate that hydroxychloroquine is not an effective treatment for patients hospitalized with COVID-19.”

Another study published July 16 in the Annals of Internal Medicine — a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial that involved more than 400 participants — found that “hydroxychloroquine did not substantially reduce symptom severity in outpatients with early, mild COVID-19.”

There was one observational study by the Henry Ford Health System, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases on July 1, that found hydroxychloroquine was associated with lower mortality for patients hospitalized with COVID-19. But, as we’ve explained before, the study has limitations — and it stands in contrast to multiple randomized controlled trials that have found the drug is not beneficial to hospitalized patients (and two other observational studies).

During the press conference, Immanuel also claimed that a 2005 study “said it works.”

That study — which found that “[c]hloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS-CoV in cell culture” — “is no evidence at all that it’s a cure for COVID,” Schluger said.

“That was a different coronavirus; that was the coronavirus that causes SARS,” he said. Secondly, he said, the study involved cells in test tubes. Potential drugs are evaluated in test tubes, then in animals, before they move into the three phases of clinical human trials, he said — and 90% of drug candidates that make it to human trials fail because they aren’t effective or aren’t safe.

A study in a test tube involving a different virus, Schluger added, is “not how the FDA approves drugs.”

Multiple tests have shown that Hydroxychloroquine simply doesn't work.

This article you cited is not peer-reviewed, I would not trust it. Plus it only states "hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19." Not only does it not definitively state whether or not hydroxychloroquine is even effective, it certainly doesn't call hydroxychloroquine a "cure".

And this article you cited is from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a conservative non-profit. They also claim that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. Not a good resource either.

So, yes, you are correct that these "doctors" are being censored, but that's for good reason. It's because they're wrong. It has been proven multiple times that hydroxychloroquine is not a cure, to suggest otherwise is simply wrong and dangerous.

This and it's could just be a placebo affect.
 

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Does this type of paper not require extensive studying of the virus and thorough knowledge of its inner-workings? Is it really reasonable to expect something like this to be completed within eight months of the discovery of a brand new virus?

Great question! I have heard exactly that before, and the answer has been that you need months to do this gold standard method, in order to "find" a virus/bacteria/etc

Because you need at least 8 subjects.

4 with clearly the symptoms, in this case lack of air, not being able to take oxygen, even though their lungs are working just fine! Check on Youtube a real doctor from ER in New York, I really wish I could find the link. He described this phenomenon, which not everyone had, but it was very strange (I found the video in my watch later on Youtube, but it was deleted by Youtube rules...).

And then 4 people with clearly no symptoms at all.

Then you do an exhaustive test on each of the first 4 patients and try to find something, a virus, a bacteria, anything that does not belong to the inner genetic material of the subject.

I have heard this can take quite some time. Then try to match these finding between the 4 first patients. And then do he same with the healthy 4 others.

It is a very very tedious work and long of a process, because you need to discard a lot of genetic information, etc and a BIG etc.

This takes months, and it takes also luck to actually find it, whatever that is causing the symptoms.

This is what I know of the process, but the PCR test is a very simple one in comparison (PCR test would never work to accurately "find" a virus).

I also found the video of Dr. Kaufman, if anyone wants a link to it, send a PM, if I make it public it will probably be DELETED
 
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https://justthenews.com/politics-po...accuses-fauci-running-disinformation-campaign

This is from Dr Harvey Risch, a YALE epidemiologist. Not some person with TDS. Which several of you seem to have here. This drug was being touted for months before Trump even mentioned it.

Another recent analysis:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302817#!

Conclusion
Although this is a retrospective analysis, results suggest that early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment of COVID-19 patients, with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ lead to a significantly better clinical outcome and a faster viral load reduction than other treatments.

And another from India:

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...19-cases-say-docs-as-analysis-begins-6486049/

Dr Hussain told this newspaper, “There are conflicting studies about the use of HCQ. While initially the US studies rejected it and cited side-effects, European countries backed its prophylactic use. In Vadodara, it has shown positive results. We have been able to restrict cases in clusters. Nagarwada no longer has a huge number of cases. We haven’t seen any one developing side effects.”

Which again makes me question the FDA's methods.

This should NOT be political.
 
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Another new one showing it helps, from Italy:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220306007

the use of hydroxycholoroquine + azithromycin was associated with a 66% reduction in risk of death as compared to controls; the analysis also suggested a larger effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in patients with less severe COVID-19 disease (PO2/FiO2 > 300, interaction p-value<.0001). Our results are remarkably similar to those shown by Arshad et al.
 

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https://nypost.com/2020/08/08/nyc-councilman-credits-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-recovery/

NYC Councilman Paul Vallone credits Hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 recovery

A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.

“I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.”
 
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Is burning down a house with gasoline considered arson? (Your response is your answer) it’s more of a suppressant of symptoms than a cure kinda helps your body catch back up like how adrenaline shots heal overdosers
 
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