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The media is creating mass hysteria over the Coronavirus.

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Or.. they can just turn 5g off to halt the deaths whenever they want.

Seriously though, why isnt there an easy way to 'sanitise' your youtube feed after you watch a couple of dumb conspiracy videos?
 
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Or.. they can just turn 5g off to halt the deaths whenever they want.

Seriously though, why isnt there an easy way to 'sanitise' your youtube feed after you watch a couple of dumb conspiracy videos?
You have been doing this internet lark long enough to know never to load random links in anything other than porn mode.

That or go on bitchute instead. You get some good ones there if you go looking.
 
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It does take a while, but I've had some luck with clicking "Not Interested" on the videos in the feed. I have a little brother who watches the most annoying crap, and he doesn't pay attention to whose profile is active on whatever he's using. I occasionally have to take two or three days to scrub out all of the screaming "Let's Players" (I don't consider it a Let's Play if the whole video is just shrieking and cutting away from the actual game. I want to see the game, and the person's experience with said game. That's why I'll watch something like BrainScratchComms over Game Grumps any day, let alone the crap my brother picks out.)
 
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I've my environment set up so that I'm never logged into youtube at all. I can push stuff to youtube leanback on android (uses a unique id - that you can delete in the apps settings folder to clean slate), and to Kodi (doesnt have that problem at all) and on the browser a clean slate is always just a cookie clear away.

For stuff I 'subscribe' to, I use a Kodi plugin that can browse channels you've added, and thats it.

I have to say though, I feel you - the amount of Steve Bannon and Jordan Peterson videos I had to skip by, just because I screened some of the videos posted in here and threw them at the youtube app on android, because I was too lazy to reset its unique ID was really, really bothersome.

Also the youtube app insists that I have split personality currently and wants me to be informed about the latest releases of FOX news and Democracy Now at the same time - because I watched a Trump debate on Fox once.

And after a reset, even just watching some none descript video game videos, and then anything political - seemingly throws you into the alt right recommendation deepend.

I've reproduced this twice after an ID reset, the bias is seemingly real.

Also - you watched videos on hacking cheap retro consoles - you must be interested in Junkyard fixer upper projects... (actually I liked some of those videos ;), but - come on...) oh, and budget smartphones!
 
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It does take a while, but I've had some luck with clicking "Not Interested" on the videos in the feed

Lucky you. I've had zero luck with that. YouTube always goes through phases of offering me videos in the language of whatever country I'm in but no matter how many times I click "not interested" or "don't recommend this channel" it doesn't stop. When YouTube gets in that mood there's nothing to do other than leave her alone, do something else, and hope she's calmed down by tomorrow (or actually search for something specific, I guess).

Then there's the times when my feed is full of videos I watched before. I used to go through the process of "Not interested. Tell us why. I've already seen this" thinking that YouTube would eventually stop recommending videos I've already seen. But, nope, they just took the novel approach of removing the "watched" status from a bunch of videos so they could re-recommend them...
 
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Never had a youtube account, set mine to somewhere else to dodge European censorship (seriously they decided plain old alternate history was too much and stopped them from being visible, but not enough to need me to fire up the VPN).
At this point I am back to just using bookmarks all the time (never really stopped but for a hot moment the suggestions were not bad), looking at crossovers/collaborations, and using bitchute for some others.
 

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How did you set your account to somewhere else if you never had one?
Probably not so great phrasing there but you can set things.
Three dots on the top right and then location. There are probably some others as well, if not options to do it via cookie editing.
 

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TED is explaining concepts again:
h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4xu7w6Vf0U

Here is a short writeup.

More info on contact tracing.

Contact tracing in principal is a way to massively reduce need for universal testing - basically everyone - every two (or so) days, by making it 'smart'.

Which is needed, because testing everyone every two (or so) days is a magnitude over what will be available in testing capacity.

So the idea is, once someone is tested because of symptoms, or harsh progression, you can follow up on them, and then have people they were in direct contact with also test (or self quarantine on the spot. ;) ).

If you are at a low enough daily growth rate, and following up on individual cases is possible, what you are planning to do is massively increasing testing capability - doing those "smart ("one degree of Kevin Bacon") tests", and thereby being able to get by with individual quarantines. Instead of nation or region wide ones.

There also is a statistics angle to it that makes it interesting to look at spread rates and so forth - which favors the app approach.

Currently voluntary or not is still discussed, states usually would like to force it on people, because economic fallout (need for bigger quarantines) can be reduced, but at the same time - they get told, that acceptance might be higher if they don't. ;)

Also you dont have to do it via an app, you could also do it via patient interviews - but it would be less thorough (earlier growth rate increases would be expected).

The idea is, that you combine it with a massively increased testing capability (for which you need different tests that the earlier ones) - so as a result you can now quarantine infected people individually - instead of entire populations.

Also - what you do aside from that are randomized tests on representative populations, so you can keep track of growth rate in the general population. If growthrate starts to get close to 'doubling every three days' again - you have to do national or regional quarantines again.
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Target is either to hit the 12-18 months mark doing that (when a vaccine becomes available to the public at large (not just risk groups)), or until you hit 60%-70% of you populations having been infected (herd immunity).

For reference, in italy infection rate in the general public is (only) at about 15% currently. So you'd have to repeat what happened there four times until you reach goal. Obviously you cant - in the same timeframe of a couple of months (repeat the same crisis there four more times) - so you try to stretch it out.

Interestingly they are talking about testing people who you have contact traced for a tracing duration of two weeks to every infected person, while the 'app' promoted to do that in Austria would only do that for a period of three days. Thats still a pretty stark variability between approaches.. ;)
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There seem to be some estimates on deaths being underreported in italy floating arround that talk about probably twice the number of deaths than reported. If we take that number and the 15% infection rate estimated, we end up with a case fatality rate of 0.4% - which would mean roughly a million people dying in the US (if your progresion is similarly as in itally and it only stops 'naturally' at 70% of the population infected). All of that is ballpark math.
 
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What does a 'free market solution' to the corona crisis look like?

US ordered 10.000 ventilators from Philips (european company (Netherlands)) for 3280 dollars a piece. Philips didn't deliver them. (Thank you for your interest, you'll get the product, when its back in stock.)

Then US ordered 43.000 ventilators from Philips for 15.000 USD a piece.

(What, you dont want to fasttrack our orders? How about we sh*t money all over you? (650mio USD btw.))

That is the free market solution to the corona crisis in the US.
src: https://www.propublica.org/article/...charging-quadruple-the-price-for-the-new-ones

Hope you now understand, why even republican governors are saying, that this is not the right thing to do, and that the president should force companies to produce medical goods in times like these - for ... less markup, in country.

edit: In the same vane:
The US is also very good at stealing masks at airports:
https://www.thelocal.de/20200403/ge...ooped-on-masks-at-bangkok-airport-coronavirus

And of course at buying up european biotech companies (CuraVec), so they don't have to try themselves (edit they do try themselves, this is me being facetious):
Google translate this: https://www.mimikama.at/allgemein/dementi-curevac-hat-kein-angebot-von-der-us-regierung-erhalten/
 
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I would like to understand more of the picture there.

Rates of production are often rate limited or have bottlenecks -- the strong as the weakest link tends to be rephrased as fast as your slowest process. Good design can mitigate that but that tends to just shift it to a new place. Quite often you get business types think can we just throw more money at it but if it means spinning up new gear (usually millions to commission and install) it cuts into your margins (a word they understand), dropping quality (hard to do for life or death medical gear -- even ignoring tolerances then medical testing seriously is a nightmare compared to normal consumer stuff*), or retasking other production (contract bonuses, interrupting other cash flows, other concepts that are well understood, not to mention does not always happen for free either) and things stop there. Here it would be is private enterprise obligated to bankrupt or seriously trouble themselves?
On rare occasion though you get "I don't fucking care, get it done, here is my lackey** with the big boy credit card who will be your shadow". I like those jobs.

It might also be that they genuinely joined the back of the line but that was just a piss off price to bump them to the front. Or it could be a variation on the old tradesman's notion of "never refuse a job you don't want, just price it high enough that if you have do it then it is enough to keep you happy".

It could however be good old fashioned price gouging, which is apparently against some kind of law (even in the US).

*average consumer device might have panel testing and maybe bed of nails, and then batch sample maybe random 3 in a 100. Medical is usually every one fairly extensively; last one I saw in a factory had a medical device power supply/controller that had to be properly tested at every orientation rather than just quick and easy when sat normally on a bench for the consumer device the row over.

**sometimes them. One particularly amusing time, albeit in a repair scenario, saw big boss man buying the customers in front of them in a line out to get a part quicker but story for a different day.
 

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As it is a european company, I doubt that this is to get more incentives for better production-flows in place - and I would presume, that this is mostly getting bumped up in delivery schedules - money.

But the point is valid. I dont know. Production chains are international at this point and maybe some key components production can only be ramped up by some companies - you'd now want to give 5x the funding to via paid price increases.

I presume though, that this really is just supply/demand at work - since there is a shortage of ventilators in the first place - if the money then is reinvested to produce more (or if thats indeed possible at all) - the management of that (european) company decides (paid is paid).
 
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As soon as this virus was known, the ventilators should have been mass produced. They should have started in December. Its not like any of those machines will go to waste if there was no pandemic. They would have been used eventually.
 

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January, (edit: actually february ;) ) maybe. (Even the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) failed to see this as a pandemic, which makes for the best conspiracy theories. ;) )

And following that you have supply chain issues (if factories all over the world get shut down), pretty quickly. German car manufacturers have all but stopped making cars - because they could not get components. (BMW lasted longest afair, because their storage warehouses were the biggest. ;) ) Which also means that all showrooms are closed, and most dealers workshops, not just because of nationwide curfews, but out of necessity.

And everyone who can is producing ventilators right now anyhow - because of the markup and because it sells currently (while many other goods that arent essential dont). But what a markup.. :)
 
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As it is a european company, I doubt that this is to get more incentives for better production-flows in place - and I would presume, that this is mostly getting bumped up in delivery schedules - money.

But the point is valid. I dont know. Production chains are international at this point and maybe some key components production can only be ramped up by some companies - you'd now want to give 5x the funding to via paid price increases.

I presume though, that this really is just supply/demand at work - since there is a shortage of ventilators in the first place - if the money then is reinvested to produce more (or if thats indeed possible at all) - the management of that (european) company decides (paid is paid).

I really can't be bothered to look up the company structure right now but I can't imagine they lack a US subsidiary that turns a reasonable profit that the US can't in turn put the screws to, or otherwise make their importing life harder (sir you have been selected for random additional screening and all that).

As soon as this virus was known, the ventilators should have been mass produced. They should have started in December. Its not like any of those machines will go to waste if there was no pandemic. They would have been used eventually.
What you pay out of one pot is not there for something else, and it is not like pots (be they governmental nor private) are particularly large such that you can spunk away money.

Equally while shortages in general are known (usually in flu seasons or major accidents) they are not usually so hard to come by do have perishable and replaceable parts (see the various stories of people making things on 3d printers), and would invest you in a supply chain/future support contracts and the like. If you reckon there should be some government design and tooling design (everybody almost always forgets tooling in these discussions, and that is just as much of a problem as the item itself) they can trot out that is a different discussion entirely. I am all for preparedness and it is not like we don't know the perils of just in time and highly localised but still worldwide supply chains (for around here see any number of "flood so [ram/hard drive/screen] will be costly and hard to come by this year" over the last... decades that I have been following IT supply) but again different discussion.

Likewise December? I will give that some forward thinking country might have done it as soon as it became apparent that China had fluffed containment and their health intelligence people had a reasonable idea of rates of infection and symptoms (though again reliable data is a harder one there -- Italy being where hard numbers mostly appeared from). December would have been really early to pick up on that though.
 

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I really can't be bothered to look up the company structure right now but I can't imagine they lack a US subsidiary that turns a reasonable profit that the US can't in turn put the screws to, or otherwise make their importing life harder (sir you have been selected for random additional screening and all that).
Yes, but that would be an international trade dispute. :) In fact even that they now pay 5x (or a little less) of list, could be seen as an afront. :)

Stuffs not that easy. :) If you want to increase production, you would start with mainly US affiliated companies first, no? ;) But all of this is speculation. :)

Germany shielded that one biotech company by giving it access to 80mio in grants, btw. :) Then their board structure changed twice within a week or so, an then the company said - there were never any buyout offers from the US, we promise. Not ones that would have lead to exclusivity deals, and none that were directly related to Trump and team (White House).
 
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Yes, but that would be an international trade dispute. :) In fact even that they now pay 5x (or a little less) of list, could be seen as an afront. :)

Stuffs not that easy. :) If you want to increase production, you would start with mainly US affiliated companies first, no? ;) But all of this is speculation. :)

Germany shielded that one biotech company by giving it access to 80mio in funds, btw. :)

If they out and out said it like that then there might be a dispute. Things can get awfully subtle though.
 
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w00t?

State Department cables warned of safety issues at Wuhan lab studying bat coronaviruses
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

The cables warned about safety and management weaknesses at the WIV lab and proposed more attention and help. The first cable, which I obtained, also warns that the lab’s work on bat coronaviruses and their potential human transmission represented a risk of a new SARS-like pandemic.

“During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory,” states the Jan. 19, 2018, cable, which was drafted by two officials from the embassy’s environment, science and health sections who met with the WIV scientists. (The State Department declined to comment on this and other details of the story.)

Now thats some good s--stuff. ;)

Remember correlation is not causation, next tradewar is immanent, etc, etc.
 
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