Homebrew Question TINFOIL 8.0 /8.0.1 help

Lumince · Feb 6, 2020

I just enjoy laughing at the crazy paranoia peoppe have and the things they think a dev will do. Use it or dont use it

Its up to you. But imo its clearly the superior choice for installing games and updates.
Adding incognito into the app itself seems be a good addition!

Tinfoil works fine for me

So do the shops

Lacius · Feb 6, 2020

Biff627 said:
I just enjoy laughing at the crazy paranoia peoppe have and the things they think a dev will do. Use it or dont use it Its up to you. But imo its clearly the superior choice for installing games and updates.
Adding incognito into the app itself seems be a good addition!

Tinfoil works fine for me So do the shops

Incognito is apparently going to be separated into its own app once again, so we're only talking about the Firmware tab in the long-run. Instead of locking the user out of the entire app when the necessary kip is absent, it makes a LOT more sense to merely disable the Firmware tab when the aforementioned kip is absent.

Edit: Also, while I think the kip is harmless, people are bringing up very real concerns that shouldn't be dismissed as "use it or don't use it" when everyone can easily be made happy.

Smoker1 · Feb 6, 2020

GnK23 said:
Do

Done all of that but still gives me error during usb install.
I have no problem launching tinfoil or using it to download games from hbg or even jack.
I have a problem using it to install via nut.exe

Are you still trying to Install the HBG NSP? Not needed anymore. Just get rid of that. You should not be trying to Install ANY NSPs during this process.

komabear · Feb 6, 2020

Skirlez said:
I'm not sure what you mean. I asked in a certain discord I am not allowed to mention what protections does the kip disable and that's the answer I got. I only included that part because I said "I'm pretty sure it only disables cal0 protection". And you also completely ignored the rest of the reply.

I'm ignoring everything you said because you base it on "I've heard this" and "I've heard that" with no concrete proof whatsoever. Forcing users to give NAND access to use this app is shady at best.

In any case you can choose to believe what you've heard and I'll choose to believe what I want, it's pretty much the same without any source. Here's hoping that nothing bad comes out of it though. Good luck!

Skirlez · Feb 6, 2020

komabear said:
I'm ignoring everything you said because you base it on "I've heard this" and "I've heard that" with no concrete proof whatsoever. Forcing users to give NAND access to use this app is shady at best.

In any case you can choose to believe what you've heard and I'll choose to believe what I want, it's pretty much the same without any source. Here's hoping that nothing bad comes out of it though. Good luck!

So if I understand correctly you believe that blawar wants to erase your entire NAND or are you saying it's possible?

komabear · Feb 6, 2020

Skirlez said:
So if I understand correctly you believe that blawar wants to erase your entire NAND or are you saying it's possible?

I'm not sure what is and isn't possible - what I'm sure of is that if a random app that doesn't have a open source asks for NAND access, you should always say no. No matter what a rando tells you in Discord, lol.

But like I said before, you do you!

Lacius · Feb 6, 2020

komabear said:
I'm ignoring everything you said because you base it on "I've heard this" and "I've heard that" with no concrete proof whatsoever. Forcing users to give NAND access to use this app is shady at best.

In any case you can choose to believe what you've heard and I'll choose to believe what I want, it's pretty much the same without any source. Here's hoping that nothing bad comes out of it though. Good luck!

Skirlez said:
So if I understand correctly you believe that blawar wants to erase your entire NAND or are you saying it's possible?

komabear said:
I'm not sure what is and isn't possible - what I'm sure of is that if a random app that doesn't have a open source asks for NAND access, you should always say no. No matter what a rando tells you in Discord, lol.

But like I said before, you do you!

The kip very likely only disables protections that get in the way of the functions of the Firmware and Incognito tabs. If @blawar hasn't released the source for the kip yet, then he will probably do so in the future (that's what he did before when he forked Atmosphere to remove certain protections). I would also heavily encourage blawar to make the kip (and the Firmware and Incognito tabs) optional.

komabear · Feb 6, 2020

Lacius said:
very likely

Good choice of words. In any case, when the source comes out I'll gladly go back to using it, but I wouldn't advise anyone to give access to something this important without any clue of what's actually happening, or why they need to do so.

It seems that with each new update tinfoil only gets worse, but hey, what would you expect from a homophobic hater that adores Trump? Here's hoping someone else comes with a similar app without all this bullshit in the future. Cheers!

Skirlez · Feb 6, 2020

komabear said:
Good choice of words. In any case, when the source comes out I'll gladly go back to using it, but I wouldn't advise anyone to give access to something this important without any clue of what's actually happening, or why they need to do so.

It seems that with each new update tinfoil only gets worse, but hey, what would you expect from a homophobic hater that adores Trump? Here's hoping someone else comes with a similar app without all this bullshit in the future. Cheers!

-deleting old dumb messages 3 years later-

GnK23 · Feb 6, 2020

Please make another thread if you want to ask questions. This does not answer my question.

Also for the record I have no problem with hbg or jake.
My problem is the latest nut.exe not doing it's job with tinfoil 8.0.1 when browsing for installable nsp nsz xci or xcz. It just return with cannot access nsp regardless of which I choose. I guess im just going back to tinfoil 7.0.1 since no answer is given for my questio

supahot708 · Feb 6, 2020

I have a similar problems but instead of an error when downloading from nut, nut wont connect with tinfoil at all(nsusbloader does connect though). im running 9.1.0 with atmosphere 0.10.2 and the tinfoil from the discord link found earlier in this thread, also i have my switch setup with emmnand.

_Draikon_ · Feb 6, 2020

Lacius said:
The kip very likely only disables protections that get in the way of the functions of the Firmware and Incognito tabs. If @blawar hasn't released the source for the kip yet, then he will probably do so in the future (that's what he did before when he forked Atmosphere to remove certain protections). I would also heavily encourage blawar to make the kip (and the Firmware and Incognito tabs) optional.

He posted a diff between his kip and the stock AMS kip on his discord, he simply removed the ~20 lines that enable the protections.

blawar · Feb 6, 2020

Skirlez said:
So if I understand correctly you believe that blawar wants to erase your entire NAND or are you saying it's possible?

i would not argue with him too much. The fact is, anyone can erase your nand in original unmodified atmosphere. He is offering his opinion without actually knowing what he is talking about.

@Lacius the part you are missing is that there is NO way for tinfoils features to work unless atmosphere is forked. You can’t set a flag, you have to fork it. And I’m adding more and more features that write to nand. I might release a real account linker soon, and that requires nand access as well. I freely admit that part of this is autism, I am not interested in maintaining or troubleshooting various different environments. And telling people it’s not supported does not work, I have clearly stated that tinfoil does not work with hekate, yet people keep flooding support with hekate issues. I will snuff out these support issues or simply stop releasing for atmosphere.

Part of the reason tinfoil switched to a nsp: no acid patches means tinfoil won’t boot. So that solves that issue. You will notice a theme of demanding a standardized environment.

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

Also, just to reiterate, you don’t need my kip, you can fork your own atmosphere and remove the bis write code and tinfoil will happily run. All tinfoil cares about is that it can write to nand.

Lacius · Feb 7, 2020

blawar said:
i would not argue with him too much. The fact is, anyone can erase your nand in original unmodified atmosphere. He is offering his opinion without actually knowing what he is talking about.

@Lacius the part you are missing is that there is NO way for tinfoils features to work unless atmosphere is forked. You can’t set a flag, you have to fork it. And I’m adding more and more features that write to nand. I might release a real account linker soon, and that requires nand access as well. I freely admit that part of this is autism, I am not interested in maintaining or troubleshooting various different environments. And telling people it’s not supported does not work, I have clearly stated that tinfoil does not work with hekate, yet people keep flooding support with hekate issues. I will snuff out these support issues or simply stop releasing for atmosphere.

Part of the reason tinfoil switched to a nsp: no acid patches means tinfoil won’t boot. So that solves that issue. You will notice a theme of demanding a standardized environment.

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

Also, just to reiterate, you don’t need my kip, you can fork your own atmosphere and remove the bis write code and tinfoil will happily run. All tinfoil cares about is that it can write to nand.

Tinfoil functioned just fine without the removal of the bis write code. The Incognito and Firmware tabs require it, but they're not the core functions of Tinfoil most people care about. In other words, requiring the disabling of the bis write code is pointless for most users. As I've said to you numerous times before, software that requires the modification of an OS (particularly one that removed a security feature) can arguably be considered malicious. Requiring the modification because a feature requires it is one thing, but Tinfoil's features don't require it: Firmware and Incognito do.

Tinfoil functioned just fine as a homebrew app before it was made to be a standalone NSP install, and there are various reasons why one might prefer the former over the latter. Requiring an NSP install because it requires patches that Tinfoil needs for certain NSP installs anyway seems redundant, not to mention cumbersome.

I am not going to address the points about Hekate and Kosmos, since I don't recommend the use of the latter.

I'm trying to be objective here, so please do not take offense. You've done a lot of good work.

Velvis70 · Feb 7, 2020

Just make the kip nand part optional. Seems like a no-brainer. I have no interest in the features it provides.

Th3one · Feb 7, 2020

Excitedguy said:
You don't have to use fuslee primary, Add the following line to your hekate_ipl.ini in your bootloader folder (add it in the section for your custom firmware/emunand that you use)

kip1=atmosphere/kips/ams_mitm.kip

The reason this is required is because the developer decided to include his other application into the latest Tinfoil named Incognito, which allows you to remove your serial number from the console and go online safely without having to use 90DNS. The kip file is required to allow writing to the nand that stores the serial number to be able to blank it out, atmosphere normally blocks writing to it.

So this line fixes the error for the unable to read nand on tinfoil 8.01 on atmosphere 10.2?
Also doe sit work if I'm running atmosphere in the emunand and not the sysnand?

Bloodgod · Feb 8, 2020

hey whats up guys? New to Switch scene. Can anyone help me with backing up files to NSP(?) from games I got from HBG/Tinfoil. THanks

yimejky · Feb 8, 2020

Smoker1 said:
Everyone -
1st : DELETE ALL Tinfoil Folders, Lithium Folders, HBG Folders.
2nd : If you have not already done so, Update to Atmosphere 0.10.2
3rd : If you have not already done so, Update to 9.1.0 with the Released Update Files with the ChoiDujourNX App.

4th : Grab the latest Tinfoil Package, except, grab it from the Discord Download Section....
- https://thehbg.shop/files/hbgshop.latest.zip

5th : Apparently Henkate will not work with it. So you MUST use the absolute latest Fusee Payload.

6th : When you are at the Home Screen, you must use the Applet Mode (new - Just press A on Album. Holding R will just direct you to the actual Album now) to run Tinfoil. It should say the NAND can not be read, and will direct you to Install a KIP File. Afterwards, you must FULLY shutdown, then using the Fusee, Start up.

You should now see a Tinfoil App on the Home Screen.

NOTE - To use HBG, you must go to (Options/Theme/HBG_?????)

There was another Tutorial similar to this, but they were saying to Delete EVERYTHING on the MicroSD except the Nintendo Folder. I did it without doing that. Just get rid of everything related to Tinfoil on your Card prior to doing everything. Hopefully I explained it clear enough. If any problems, let me know.

Had problem with booting with that KIP file on AMS 0.10.1. Confirming that this tutorial fixed my problems. Thx mate.

EDIT: somebody has problems with Change view button (-)? Not working for me since 7.x.x

Smoker1 · Feb 8, 2020

Oh, after the KIP has been Installed, there are those saying to stop using Hekate to start the System, that it is not compatible with Tinfoil..........nope. I tested Hekate (a older Version), and it still worked perfectly.
Hekate that still works - Hekate 4.6

Naxster · Feb 8, 2020

Excitedguy said:
You don't have to use fuslee primary, Add the following line to your hekate_ipl.ini in your bootloader folder (add it in the section for your custom firmware/emunand that you use)

kip1=atmosphere/kips/ams_mitm.kip

The reason this is required is because the developer decided to include his other application into the latest Tinfoil named Incognito, which allows you to remove your serial number from the console and go online safely without having to use 90DNS. The kip file is required to allow writing to the nand that stores the serial number to be able to blank it out, atmosphere normally blocks writing to it.

So would this work if we use Atmosphere 0.10.1 and Fusee-secondary??

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