After public outcry, 505 Games promises to fix performance issues for Bloodstained on Switch

Jayro · Jun 26, 2019

Imagine releasing a 2D pixelated sidescroller on a powerful system, just to have performance issues. :rofl2:

Glyptofane · Jun 26, 2019

Xzi said:
Tough call. The PC version does seem to have the best optimization, but the others will probably fall in line with some patches.

Yea, PC would be the safest bet, it's just Steam is kind of a death sentence for games in my household these days in that they never really get played. Even though we have our best PC connected to the living room TV, we have never invested in a good controller option and just other boring little problems.

Just to bitch about it a bit more, I felt especially tool-like when those who waited and preordered through Best Buy got an awesome steel case, and then my backer version shows up with a shitty, thin cardboard sleeve. Gee, thanks...

Ev1l0rd · Jun 26, 2019

Sakitoshi said:
they should fix the vita version. and with that I mean make it as they first promised.

Uh... the Vita is, as sad as it may sound, dead.

Sony isn't making any new ones anymore.

Why would they waste time making a game for a dead system.

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Dartz150 said:
For those bashing 505 games for this poorly port, you should know that the game was outsourced by another development company that seemingly went to make parties instead of make their work. Despite this, that doesn't forgive 505 games because their job was to supervise the quality and avoid the release of such a bad port, even a delay would have been okay, explaining the truth to avoid criticism from the ones who bought this game specifically for the switch and where left with a terrible first impression (luckily I got my PC copy as well).

So it really makes me happy that the main developers behind Bloodstained will take over of this mess.
Their highest priority should be to make this run at 60fps, after all, this is a game that heavily relies in your gameplay abilities.
Secondly, fixing and/or optimizing the post processing effects, some are completely missing or display non existing shadows, even the blood stains (nice detail btw) are missing or end hidden behind the floor/wall textures.

EDIT: According to some google searches, the company in charge of this port is called " Armature Studio ". So there it is, '505 games' are not completely responsible for this bad port, let's hope they address all the issues soon.

Ah, that's a lot more sensible. Bad porting doesn't sound like 505 usually. Their 3DS port of Terraria was pretty good.

kevin corms · Jun 27, 2019

Memoir said:
L

It's weird when it's the reverse of the norm. Usually PC players are shafted.

From my experience the console versions are much more likely to have performance issues compared to the average gaming pc. That being said, pc gamers are much more likely to complain or notice minor issues.

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Glyptofane said:
Yea, PC would be the safest bet, it's just Steam is kind of a death sentence for games in my household these days in that they never really get played. Even though we have our best PC connected to the living room TV, we have never invested in a good controller option and just other boring little problems.

Just to bitch about it a bit more, I felt especially tool-like when those who waited and preordered through Best Buy got an awesome steel case, and then my backer version shows up with a shitty, thin cardboard sleeve. Gee, thanks...

Get a Bluetooth adapter and use ps4, Xbox or switch controller no problem.

burial · Jun 27, 2019

Sonic Angel Knight said:
Is it a easy and accessible tool kit? Is it the graphics? Does it do something other engines can't do? Is it cheap to obtain license for?

Yes, yes, idk, yes.

HOv · Jun 27, 2019

A friend of mine thought I was crazy and picky when I told him this game ran poorly and looked horrible on switch compared to Xb1 and PS4. To his defense, he never heard of the game and had nothing to compare it to so when he played it he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. This is just a horrible lazy port. There's no excuse for it as this is not even a big demanding game. This should be easy 720p-1080p 60fps. Shame on these people that worked on this switch port. These promises of so called fixes after launch is unacceptable. Games should be ready, looking and running great at launch as it should be for all games.

kevin corms · Jun 27, 2019

HOv said:
A friend of mine thought I was crazy and picky when I told him this game ran poorly and looked horrible on switch compared to Xb1 and PS4. To his defense, he never heard of the game and had nothing to compare it to so when he played it he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. This is just a horrible lazy port. There's no excuse for it as this is not even a big demanding game. This should be easy 720p-1080p 60fps. Shame on these people that worked on this switch port. These promises of so called fixes after launch is unacceptable. Games should be ready, looking and running great at launch as it should be for all games.

That’s because console gamers have put up with horrible performance in games for years.

burial · Jun 27, 2019

kevin corms said:
That’s because console gamers have put up with horrible performance in games for years.

No....this is far worse than normal.

I just recently got into the water area and the fps probably drops into the teens and even single digits. Its completely unacceptable especially with how low quality the graphics are.

Oh and how in the hell did they plan for this game to run on the Wii U and Vita?

darksweet · Jun 27, 2019

thank goodness i didn't go switch all hail PS4

Kioku · Jun 27, 2019

kevin corms said:
From my experience the console versions are much more likely to have performance issues compared to the average gaming pc. That being said, pc gamers are much more likely to complain or notice minor issues.

Actually, you may be right.

medoli900 · Jun 27, 2019

1MiinMofo said:
I really hate it when a software company intentionally* releases a product that is not ready because it would mess with their marketing plans if they didn't. In this age of instant social media, we should be able to kill any such product launch to such an extent that companies really think twice before trying that sh** ever again. Please let "505 Games" have it with both barrels.

* The first 15 years of my career were spent with some of the biggest software companies on the planet. It is impossible to release a major software/game without knowing just how flawed it is. All of us shipped games/apps that had known bugs. You'd never ship otherwise. But there's a difference between shipping a product when it's ready and shipping it when marketing needs it released. With the Switch version, 505's marketing team clearly decided that it would be disastrous to not release the Switch version at the same time. Gamers need to punish them and others like them so that no marketing department ever again says "ship it anyway" to a unplayable mess like Bloodstained. (And yes, I could tell lots of stories, starting with the unforgivable "early" release of Flight Sim 5.)

The issue with the argument of "Gamer needs to punish them" is that if the port sells badly, the company will punish the programmer, which probably didn't have enough time to port to every console in time, instead of marketing to put unrealistic release date.

Silent_Gunner · Jun 27, 2019

Sonic Angel Knight said:
Probably just programmers not familiar with unreal engine. I still don't know why is such a popular game engine anyway. Honestly I wish that people developed their own game engines and used it since they know best. But it seem like everyone either wants Unreal engine or Unity for their games, if they don't want to create their own, or develope existing ones further.

Capcom has MT Framework that they used on previous generation of consoles like Marvel vs capcom 3, Devil May Cry, Monster hunter, lost planet, dead rising, etc. But here we are with ps4 and xbox one and now is only been used for Mega Man 11 and almost nothing else.

Without trying to sound ignorant, I don't quite see the appeal of the unreal engine. Is it a easy and accessible tool kit? Is it the graphics? Does it do something other engines can't do? Is it cheap to obtain license for?

I think it's the fact that it's got a lot of documentation. I remember reading that Japanese devs had the time of their lives with the UE3 due to there not being much, if any, Japanese documentation on developing using the engine. Then, when UE4 became "mainstream," they said that Epic communicated things better than they had previously. The thing about developing your own engine is that it's a lot of work which takes time which = $$$$$ in the business world. Therefore, if you have a bunch of that stuff to base your work on, you at least have a launching pad to work from as opposed to having to make everything from scratch.

I, for one, think that Death Stranding, RE2Make,and DMC5 are some of the most impressive games on a graphical level that I've seen this generation. The characters could be live action for all I know in DMC5 in the screenshots of them that I've seen, and Norman Reedus is rendered remarkably on a game that's an exclusive to a system running on hardware meant for a more mobile environment. Assuming that certain economic/political events don't force Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo to sell their systems at a loss going into the next console generation, I can only imagine how much better of a showing the PS5/WindowsBox will be...

...not that a PC couldn't outperform it at the finish line!

WD_GASTER2 · Jun 27, 2019

as some one who owns several versions of this (yes i bought across multiple platforms) the switch version does have some issues but i havent experienced things such as input lag or "the game becomes unplayable" after 6 hours in. The game does dip to what seems to be low 20's at certain points.

Still the whole "public outcry" seems more like they reacted after a day of bad feedback. (atleast we backers got an email 24 hours after the switches release if i recall correctly)

GreatCrippler said:
I've played a few hours on the Switch so far. It has issues, but it's not anywhere near the mess people are making it out to be. Is it the lesser port? Sure. Is it bad, or unplayable? Nope, it's good.

I agree. I dont know... some people REALLY REALLY want this game to be the next mighty number 9 so they can outrage. The game will get patches and be fixed.

Xzi said:
I had a hunch things might turn out this way. Requested a Switch key for Curse of the Moon and a Steam key for Ritual of the Night for that very reason.

same but got the physical curse of the moon and ps4 physical backer version and bought the steelbook. I am popping the switch curse of the moon on the switch slot and popping the ps4 disc on the disc slot on the steelbook.. Then i will put the backer sleeve and call it a day.

xdarkx · Jun 27, 2019

I want to support the devs, but think I will hold off getting the Switch version until they fix at least most of the issues.

cucholix · Jun 27, 2019

I halted my playthrough until they release the patch, I want experience the game the best way possible on Switch

Edgarska · Jun 27, 2019

Considering how badly it runs, I seriously doubt they can eventually get it running at the 60fps a game like this requires, at least not without some severe changes.

What seems weird to me is that the game is not demanding at all, at least by UE4 standards, which makes me wonder how badly Dragon Quest XI will run when it comes out.

burial · Jun 27, 2019

Started playing in docked mode today. The performance is a LOT better....still getting random crashes though.

Curious, for those having performance issues are you playing handheld or docked?

Kioku · Jun 27, 2019

WD_GASTER2 said:
I agree. I dont know... some people REALLY REALLY want this game to be the next mighty number 9 so they can outrage. The game will get patches and be fixed.

That's a bit of a reach. Considering it's just one console port that is reported to have such issues. Yes, it is a huge problem. It was delayed already, and clearly skipped some massive QA. These issues you just don't miss. Why people excuse bad dev work is beyond me.

"It can be patched" is the mindset that spawned massive day 1 patches.

sarkwalvein · Jun 27, 2019

My PS4 copy just arrived. Time to enjoy it. I think I will buy the Switch version when they get it working right... I really wanted to play it on the go, but oh well.

Bimmel · Jun 27, 2019

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So true. Bloodstained runs very smoothly in comparison to this turd port.

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