Shenmue III E3 2019 trailer and Epic Games Store exclusivity



A new trailer for Shenmue III has dropped during the E3 PC Gaming Show. The trailer showcases some story scenes and new characters in all their goofy Dreamcast-era glory.

Also, confirmed via a Kickstarter update - Shenmue III is now exclusive to the Epic Games Store on PC. This exclusivity was apparently chosen as Epic have been an important partner in the development of Shenmue III in helping with supporting development via the Unreal Engine.

PC Version Epic Games Store Exclusive!

We are happy to announce that Shenmue III for PC will be will be an Epic Games Storeexclusive. Development for Shenmue III has been moving forward using Unreal Engine and the support we have received from Epic has been excellent. But most importantly, in looking for the most enjoyable experience on PC, it was decided together with Deep Silver after much discussion that the Epic Games Store would be the best distribution platform option.

This change in distribution platform makes it unclear what options will be given to those that backed the campaign for a Steam digital/physical copy, but the new exclusivity deal likely means a Steam version is off the cards for now. Perhaps the deal is time limited but we'll have to wait for Deep Silver, the publisher, to clarify.

The Kickstarter update (link below) is currently being bombarded with comments from angry backers who are either demanding a Steam key or a complete refund. It's going to be interesting to see how Deep Silver and Ys Net handle this PR nightmare.

It has been and continues to be a bumpy ride for Shenmue fans but at least the game is nearing completion and is due to release on both PS4 and PC (via EGS) on 19th November 2019.

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Is it really that big a deal for you? Do you really often go buy 15 games at once such that you now suffer by having to do them one by one manually?

Oh, so the other criticisms didn't bother you? At least add a shopping cart, is it really that big of a deal to program a simple sodding shopping cart? I mean, this is 2019, get with the times, Epic. Also doesn't help that the program was accused of using spyware to track people playing games on Steam, yeah, totally not a dick thing to do, but I digress. Expect nothing less from a numskull CEO.
 
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Is it really that big a deal for you? Do you really often go buy 15 games at once such that you now suffer by having to do them one by one manually?
There's other issues, such as their invasive rooting through your steam data to offer the same friends on their own store.

Plus with the world becoming more and more creeped out by China (Huawei), alot of folks are fairly skeptical of anything coming out of that area of the world.
 

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I'm almost certain Shenmue 3 will be one of the biggest game flops ever. It looks really dated, it should have been released 10 years ago. I liked the other two on Dreamcast, but this one seems that has not evolved much.

Shenmue 1&2 were two of the biggest flops ever (literally contributed to death of Dreamcast, and Sega as a console maker), so it'll only be fitting! I hope the game will be good though
 

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Oh, so the other criticisms didn't bother you? At least add a shopping cart, is it really that big of a deal to program a simple sodding shopping cart? I

Don't bother mate. Had this song and dance with him before in the last epic topic. Everything epic is missing is just handwaved as not a big deal. Waste of your time to go through it.

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I do think its quite funny that probably zero of the people outraged about this were ever gonna play Shenmue in the first place.

Backers are outraged. I guess all the people who backed it for Steam key done it for laugh and were not interested in the game.
 
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How much is that numbskull Tim Sweeny and Epic paying you guys to defend them?
Nothing. The highs at epic games sure are a bunch of assholes, but i cant blame the whole company when there are people who have nothing to do with the store.

So, not blaming the whole of epic, but also not defending them, but yeah, Tim can go fuck himself.
 
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What smaller company, exactly? Every launcher on PC is backed by a big player in the gaming industry. The ones that weren't quickly failed.


Tim Sweeney has himself Tweeted that the current revenue split will not be sustainable for all regions and is likely to be raised in the future. I'm not great with Twitter so I can't find exactly the Tweet I'm looking for. The only way I can see it being sustainable in any region is if EGS continues to offer zero real benefits to either customers or developers.


If that's all customers expected of their launcher, Origin, uPlay and Battle.net would all have a much larger market share by now. Why should anyone use a service that doesn't provide any benefit over piracy?

Not game launchers. Some of the data backup and CDN services charge far less for far more. I also had a quick snout at what colo locations charge for data and even assuming epic didn't have a full sysadmin/storage type team already on the books then spinning such a thing up is nothing too drastic. It is a slightly different setup (no real uploads, different sizes, different storage requirements) to the one I back of the enveloped for Nintendo's online charging the other month but I am not predicting the end result to be that much different, and probably still a rounding error for Epic. Or alternatively if Valve is positively swimming in the money doing what they do (Steam is pretty much their main income at this point) then there seems to be a nice bit of margin there.

If a company wants to act as infrastructure and leave other people to fill in the gaps then I am OK with that.

I don't see it. Having some incentive for people to use your platform seems like a pretty sound plan. If you can't make enough games for it to be that then buying some in also works.


Oh, so the other criticisms didn't bother you? At least add a shopping cart, is it really that big of a deal to program a simple sodding shopping cart? I mean, this is 2019, get with the times, Epic. Also doesn't help that the program was accused of using spyware to track people playing games on Steam, yeah, totally not a dick thing to do, but I digress. Expect nothing less from a numskull CEO.
Is it that big a deal not to have one for a games service? As far as end results are concerned I am probably only marginally more concerned about this one than I am about them not having a guestbook.

As for the other things I covered a few already in an earlier post. Every CEO I have ever seen or met for a vaguely big company are cunts. It is pretty much part of the requirements. This one seems about in line with standard and has not done anything too outrageous -- boo hoo some game devs were asked to work long hours, because that has not been standard for decades, especially among the top tier devs, and they could not have taken a job at a thousand other tech firms or industries with better conditions.

Overzealous fraud detection. Hope they get it sorted. If I did not change my bank when their fraud department declared that me buying online using their secure portal as part of it, from a massive electronics vendor that I have ordered from dozens of times before (I also order electronics a lot with it being part of what I do), to be delivered to my house (the same one I was listed at in their systems) and blocked my card then I am not going to lose too much sleep over this, or at least I can declare it a good faith effort. I also don't know what the numbers involved in this example were. I am assuming if it was something ridiculously low like 3 then I would have heard that when the potential complaint was noted.

The spying with consent thing was a dick move. If they apologised and removed it then I can chalk it up to a youthful indiscretion. No great harm done in the long run from what I can see -- we have seen something vaguely similar before when skype and MSN/hotmail all but tricked people into merging accounts which caused some fun and games, or when some of the film rental companies and IMDB or something merged and inadvertently outed a few people that had left reviews, but nobody has really made a case here as to what might have been bad beyond the general invasion of a bit of privacy thing.

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Don't bother mate. Had this song and dance with him before in the last epic topic. Everything epic is missing is just handwaved as not a big deal. Waste of your time to go through it.
For what it is worth I like neither. Quite looking forward to one or both going pop -- whoever loses we all win. Don't see either as contributing anything of substance to games, however I really really dislike Steam's position on the market, attitude and approach to the world, and have done from the start and throughout it all whenever things have come to light or been attempted so when something is taking a convincing run at it then some things can be overlooked. Especially when most of what they are doing is standard business (if you can't build something in house or it costs too much money/time then buy it in), costs nobody much of anything* (other than the paltry offerings on linux that will be no more, or no more for a little while nobody really loses anything -- the exact same PC will still run the game, the same card will be able to buy the game, and I can still sit here in my boxers and buy it trivially either way...) and the client program lacks a few programs that are done better outside it for the most part or have been done for years outside it just fine.

*if Ford buys up a bunch of patents such that Vauxhall can't use them then that could be annoying. This is not that though as again the same PC will play the same game.
 
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Or alternatively if Valve is positively swimming in the money doing what they do (Steam is pretty much their main income at this point) then there seems to be a nice bit of margin there.
Steam got to where it is now by selling a fuckton of games, not by selling just a few at a high profit margin. As I said, 30% is undeniably the standard across every other PC launcher and console storefront. The onus is on Epic to prove that they can maintain their cut for more than just the short-term, and we are still very much in the short-term as far as EGS is concerned.

If a company wants to act as infrastructure and leave other people to fill in the gaps then I am OK with that.
You personally might be okay with it, but based on the state of PC gaming in the early 2000s, the majority of customers will gladly turn to piracy if they gain access to the exact same feature set that way. We're now seeing the deluge of far too many under-featured and overly-messy TV/movie streaming services starting to drive people in that direction as well.
 
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Epic trying to kill kickstarters now as well. 2nd game with the bait and switch, back the game for a steam key, then switch to epic. Keep doing it and people will stop backing stuff.

Wonder if the Epic moneyhat will cover all the refunds.

That's not what a bait and switch is, at all. The Epic store didn't exist when Shenmue 3 was funded. It was funded in 2015. Epic Game Store launched 2018. How the fuck do you "bait and switch" for a service that didn't exist for 3 years?

It's obviously a shitty thing to do and I hope they honour all refunds to backers. No need to call a duck a goose and get pissed off about it though. It's not a "scam", just bad business.
 

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That's not what a bait and switch is, at all. The Epic store didn't exist when Shenmue 3 was funded. It was funded in 2015. Epic Game Store launched 2018. How the fuck do you "bait and switch" for a service that didn't exist for 3 years?
Err...because backers were given the option to select a Steam key specifically? Changing to any other service after offering those keys is a bait and switch by definition. If they hadn't specified the platform and instead just offered the option to receive the game on 'PC,' the shitstorm surrounding this decision wouldn't have been nearly as deserved.
 

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That's not what a bait and switch is, at all. The Epic store didn't exist when Shenmue 3 was funded. It was funded in 2015. Epic Game Store launched 2018. How the fuck do you "bait and switch" for a service that didn't exist for 3 years?

It's obviously a shitty thing to do and I hope they honour all refunds to backers. No need to call a duck a goose and get pissed off about it though. It's not a "scam", just bad business.

I'll call it what it is.

Even as late as 2018 when they offered the slacker backer, where late comers could get in on it or upgrade, the pc option was "Steam key".

2018 epic store existed, 2018 backers were offered a Steam key. That's "how the fuck" you bait and switch.
 

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I went from not really interested to definitely not interested.
I know, but

minus the beard on FAST6191.

You could always...do that thing you did with Ow the Edge to give some laughs in time.
All wounds heal, in time.

I'd like to know how you deal with all the planned Gachapon.
 

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You're free to be an idiot. I'm just explaining to you why you look like one.

Oh, so we are just going to ignore the 2018 backers? The backers who backed during slacker backer? The same ones that were offered a Steam key? Epic store existed in 2018, Steam keys were what were offered still in 2018 to late backers.

Oh insults. Same as normal from you then. No problem. Carry on being a cunt and ignore what proves the switch and you wrong then, everyone can see that as well.
 
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Steam got to where it is now by selling a fuckton of games, not by selling just a few at a high profit margin. As I said, 30% is undeniably the standard across every other PC launcher and console storefront. The onus is on Epic to prove that they can maintain their cut for more than just the short-term, and we are still very much in the short-term as far as EGS is concerned.


You personally might be okay with it, but based on the state of PC gaming in the early 2000s, the majority of customers will gladly turn to piracy if they gain access to the exact same feature set that way. We're now seeing the deluge of far too many under-featured and overly-messy TV/movie streaming services starting to drive people in that direction as well.


PC gaming in the early 2000s was doing fine, or did you actually believe the "PC gaming is dead" stuff? Were it not for the time after that with the rise of later stage directx9 being even better then I might say it was the best time I ever had really.

As for 30% I am not sure why I want to be wedded to that as a hard concept, especially not for resources as stagnant as PC gaming today when bandwidth and such is dropping by the minute. If someone is offering a better deal then why not take it? If it turns out they are spunking all their capital to acquire me as a customer then who cares? Things will settle down after they go pop. If they happen to take out Steam during that then so much the better but someone else will rise up to take their place, if Steam have to sit up and take note then so much the better. All that happened in the meantime was I got a better deal, or the people I want to get my money got a better deal if prices are to be the same. I also don't see how steam selling high volumes at low margins makes much difference here -- they are swimming in the funds either way if they have money to waste on the frivolities they are wasting them on and thus they have the margins there to play with.

I am similarly not getting to where the TV service subscription stuff is comparable to here -- they all seem to want a monthly subscription to add to the already large pile where one would previously might have done. Another free account on another service? Hardly the same thing.

Err...because backers were given the option to select a Steam key specifically? Changing to any other service after offering those keys is a bait and switch by definition. If they hadn't specified the platform and instead just offered the option to receive the game on 'PC,' the shitstorm surrounding this decision wouldn't have been nearly as deserved.
Is it truly that much of a pain to have to watch your emails and click on another link when it happens? I am still not seeing why Steam represents such a value proposition that losing the option for it, especially here when people have presumably already stumped up for it so not even losing, should get me upset. If I am getting less hours of gameplay, no multiplayer when there was said to be one, storylines set to be resolved now being dropped, graphics being dropped, musicians on the initial billing not being there in as much capacity, missed delivery dates/milestone dates... that seems like things worth being upset over.
 

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Nothing. The highs at epic games sure are a bunch of assholes, but i cant blame the whole company when there are people who have nothing to do with the store.

So, not blaming the whole of epic, but also not defending them, but yeah, Tim can go fuck himself.

I.. wasn't directing that to you, sorry -_-
 
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PC gaming in the early 2000s was doing fine, or did you actually believe the "PC gaming is dead" stuff?
Not dead, the piracy rate was just exponentially higher with every game having its own separate shortcut/launcher. And why wouldn't it be? Nobody was offering an appealing alternative at the time.

As for 30% I am not sure why I want to be wedded to that as a hard concept, especially not for resources as stagnant as PC gaming today when bandwidth and such is dropping by the minute. If someone is offering a better deal then why not take it?
Because there's no compelling reason for the customer to care about what the publisher's cut is, and again, the customer decides where their money is spent. So far, EGS exclusives are suffering much lower-than-expected sales precisely because Epic only makes an effort toward publisher appeasement.

I am still not seeing why Steam represents such a value proposition that losing the option for it, especially here when people have presumably already stumped up for it so not even losing, should get me upset.
You're not? Because last I checked, EGS doesn't even have proper controller support. It's plainly obvious how much EGS is lacking, even compared to lesser competition such as Origin.
 
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Oh insults

I am similarly not getting to where the TV service subscription stuff is comparable to here

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Idealistically, we would all get along over our preferred cake/pie and coffee/tea, but don't tear each-others heads' off now.

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Not dead, the piracy rate was just exponentially higher with every game having its own separate shortcut/launcher. And why wouldn't it be? Nobody was offering an appealing alternative at the time.


Because there's no compelling reason for the customer to care about what the publisher's cut is, and again, the customer decides where their money is spent. So far, EGS exclusives are suffering much lower-than-expected sales precisely because Epic only makes an effort toward publisher appeasement.


You're not? Because last I checked, EGS doesn't even have proper controller support. It's plainly obvious how much EGS is lacking, even compared to lesser competition such as Origin.

I am not seeing where EGS threatens some kind of paradise we presently find ourselves in.

If I am paying for a game I presumably want the publishers to make some money and make more games. If they get more out of the deal then I can see caring there. I am not sure I would attribute lower sales to Epic's publisher appeasement -- less visibility, steam stockholm syndrome suffers, less drive by purchasing from whatever the Steam equivalent of a trending/we thought you might like, much of which could well be offset by a better cut and in some cases an upfront chunk of change.

Whatever the modern equivalent of joy2key is I am sure will suffice for that one. If the core loop of purchase, download, play is there then the rest can be incidental or have to be cobbled together as necessary for those that want it. I am half reminded of the "everybody uses 10% of the functionality of the program, just everybody uses a different 10%" we used to have in discussions of MS Office and their dominance over the space.
 
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I am not seeing where EGS threatens some kind of paradise we presently find ourselves in.
Third-party exclusivity does not belong on PC. Period. It's not that we had a paradise without it, only that customers had more freedom of choice in where to buy their games.

If I am paying for a game I presumably want the publishers to make some money and make more games.
I want the developers to make more, the publishers I couldn't care less about. They're the ones forcing microtransactions and incomplete games down our throats, and they make sure that they get their cut first no matter what.

Whatever the modern equivalent of joy2key is I am sure will suffice for that one.
Again you're excusing away the inexcusable. Even amateur software developers would know better than to release software in the state that EGS is currently in.
 
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Third-party exclusivity does not belong on PC. Period. It's not that we had a paradise without it, only that customers had more freedom of choice in where to buy their games.


I want the developers to make more, the publishers I couldn't care less about. They're the ones forcing microtransactions and incomplete games down our throats, and they make sure that they get their cut first no matter what.


Again you're excusing away the inexcusable. Even amateur software developers would know better than to release software in the state that EGS is currently in.

If someone wants to try then I will not begrudge them the choice to attempt it. I would similarly much like a return to something like we had with physical games where nobody particularly controlled anything. If Epic have to become a monster to slay Valve then I am OK with that, and from what I have seen thus far Epic aren't even being all that shady.

OK. I am all for greedy pubs getting a slap too. How is that related to this Epic vs Valve spat?

If the core loop works then I can take some alpha open source level stuff here, or features trivially replicated with other free software. I would similarly not view Steam as some kind of bastion of quality.
 

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