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‘Transgender’ Could Be Defined Out of Existence Under Trump Administration
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I waited to reply until after I read the article, and just as I thought, the author constantly flip flopped between the words sex and gender. Aren't they supposed to be different? As far as I can tell DHHS just wants the legal definition of sex to be differentiated from gender.
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Oh, and the people calling for impeachment and making Hitler comparisons are pretty funny. What direct power does Trump have over DHHS? People seem to think the president has more power than he does. Despite Bush Jr's attempts to have himself declared God-Emperor of the USA after 9/11, thankfully the presidency is not the supreme monarchy people make it out to be. There is still plenty of red tape and sone semblance of checks and balances.
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Oh, and the people calling for impeachment and making Hitler comparisons are pretty funny. What direct power does Trump have over DHHS? People seem to think the president has more power than he does. Despite Bush Jr's attempts to have himself declared God-Emperor of the USA after 9/11, thankfully the presidency is not the supreme monarchy people make it out to be. There is still plenty of red tape and sone semblance of checks and balances.
Sex, Gender Identity, Gender Expression are the same thing. It all comes from the biological body and brain. For the majority of people gender identity matches sex. Only for a few people its different, but it too also comes from the mind. Anyone that says otherwise is making stuff up.
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This video from a Sex Researcher should explain it.
there are lots issues on both sides, and innocents on both sides are always the one get hurt....
i do not believe in any religions, but this world is indeed messed up
like some religious ppl said.
i do not believe in any religions, but this world is indeed messed up
like some religious ppl said.
It's not the government's job to define these words.
The answer is no because that's a garbage slippery slope argument made out of ignorance
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What would some of those various sides and hurt parties be in this case?there are lots issues on both sides, and innocents on both sides are always the one get hurt....
i do not believe in any religions, but this world is indeed messed up
If they are going to enact things based upon concepts it is awfully useful to have definitions to work to though. Nebulous concepts defined in the moment or that are liable to shift being hard to base rule sets around.
Some time back people were having a definition of marriage discussion. Part of that hinged upon the idea that the government would get to define such a thing rather than leave it to various religious bodies and what have you. This would seem to be a functional equivalent in terms of the reasoning for needing definitions.
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I always figured that "sex" on a form meant physically and biologically, while "gender" meant mentally or psychologically. It sounds as though the government just wants to make this distinction official when filling out forms, so that people don't write down their gender where the form wants their sex.
Yes, this makes a major difference on medical records, as somebody has already stated. There can be disastrous consequences if you get medicine that's meant for a person of the opposite sex. People have also claimed that while this is an important distinction medically, as far as government forms go, the distinction does not need to be there. I'm not quite certain about that.
Let's say that there was a major disaster, like a car crash or some other issue that makes it so that the patient coming in is knocked out or otherwise comatose and unable to express themselves directly. Wouldn't the first thing a medic do be to look for some sort of government ID, like a drivers license or something to identify the patient? In that case, wouldn't it be important to know right off the bat that the "sex" section is accurately filled out? I mean, otherwise the best-case scenario would be the hospital having the patient's ID already, yet still having to search other forms to make absolutely certain that the person didn't fill it in as their psychological gender, or whether the person has had sex-reassignment surgery, or something.
While I was never interested enough to learn the details about his job, my father is a funeral home director. He has to work with information from both hospitals and the government about the deceased that he works with. I don't know what the details would imply regarding his job, but that means that there is at least one certifiable instance where medical records and government records overlap, and so I would imagine that it would be best to have universally one straight answer across both types of record.
Yes, this makes a major difference on medical records, as somebody has already stated. There can be disastrous consequences if you get medicine that's meant for a person of the opposite sex. People have also claimed that while this is an important distinction medically, as far as government forms go, the distinction does not need to be there. I'm not quite certain about that.
Let's say that there was a major disaster, like a car crash or some other issue that makes it so that the patient coming in is knocked out or otherwise comatose and unable to express themselves directly. Wouldn't the first thing a medic do be to look for some sort of government ID, like a drivers license or something to identify the patient? In that case, wouldn't it be important to know right off the bat that the "sex" section is accurately filled out? I mean, otherwise the best-case scenario would be the hospital having the patient's ID already, yet still having to search other forms to make absolutely certain that the person didn't fill it in as their psychological gender, or whether the person has had sex-reassignment surgery, or something.
While I was never interested enough to learn the details about his job, my father is a funeral home director. He has to work with information from both hospitals and the government about the deceased that he works with. I don't know what the details would imply regarding his job, but that means that there is at least one certifiable instance where medical records and government records overlap, and so I would imagine that it would be best to have universally one straight answer across both types of record.
You're free to vote for whoever you want, whichever party best represents your values.
Sex is biological
Sexual orientation is biological
Gender is social
Social means it is a mutually defined thing, not an inherent property of reality. A property of reality would be, let's say, hair colour. Social would be whether we call it brown or brunnette. Descriptive rather than prescriptive, yes?
Social meanings change to reflect our current understanding, or a change in cultural desires. It's hard for nearly all growing up in a particular culture to accept culture or understandings are not required to stay static. Because that's neither how understanding or culture works. Most folks develop past the static mode of thinking, but it does require effort.
So, to reiterate
Sex is biological
Sexual orientation is biological
Gender is social
Sexual identity...well, it requires understanding the above first.
Sexual orientation is biological
Gender is social
Social means it is a mutually defined thing, not an inherent property of reality. A property of reality would be, let's say, hair colour. Social would be whether we call it brown or brunnette. Descriptive rather than prescriptive, yes?
Social meanings change to reflect our current understanding, or a change in cultural desires. It's hard for nearly all growing up in a particular culture to accept culture or understandings are not required to stay static. Because that's neither how understanding or culture works. Most folks develop past the static mode of thinking, but it does require effort.
So, to reiterate
Sex is biological
Sexual orientation is biological
Gender is social
Sexual identity...well, it requires understanding the above first.
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ah.... i consider 2 sides, trans and non-trans. if u going to details, then there are ALOT more than 2 parties.
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so bi, pan, an all those are biological?
I already know that. I actually did research all the candidates who are running in my state.
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Biology never acknowledged it in the first place.
You have male, you have female, and once in a blue moon, you have someone born with a little of both.
That said, I can walk out the door with a skirt and my cock tucked between my legs and I'd still be a man, maybe not a gentleman, but a man none the less.
Likewise, a girl can put on the clothing that a culture has designated to males, and all she has done is change her cloths. She can of course say she feels like a man, but biologically can never fathom what that means. And besides, do all males feel the same or vice versa? When I was younger, I was more "feminine", now that I am older, been bruised a bit, and have more experience; I act more "masculine" now, though the whole time I always felt like a male, only more sensitive and emotive when I was younger (not that I still don't cry).
Further more, assuming we could all be what ever sex we claimed to be on paper, assume we could marry and fuck what ever and who ever we wanted. Would that truly fulfill us for the rest of our days, or is there not more to life?
Needless to say, when people have real sorrows in their life, discussions like this never arrive because what really matters in life can't be ignored. Though in times of comfort, wealth, and ease... we tend to grow soft.
You have male, you have female, and once in a blue moon, you have someone born with a little of both.
That said, I can walk out the door with a skirt and my cock tucked between my legs and I'd still be a man, maybe not a gentleman, but a man none the less.
Likewise, a girl can put on the clothing that a culture has designated to males, and all she has done is change her cloths. She can of course say she feels like a man, but biologically can never fathom what that means. And besides, do all males feel the same or vice versa? When I was younger, I was more "feminine", now that I am older, been bruised a bit, and have more experience; I act more "masculine" now, though the whole time I always felt like a male, only more sensitive and emotive when I was younger (not that I still don't cry).
Further more, assuming we could all be what ever sex we claimed to be on paper, assume we could marry and fuck what ever and who ever we wanted. Would that truly fulfill us for the rest of our days, or is there not more to life?
Needless to say, when people have real sorrows in their life, discussions like this never arrive because what really matters in life can't be ignored. Though in times of comfort, wealth, and ease... we tend to grow soft.
That's a good question and one that even stomps me because in the history of our species, most revolutions are bloody. With the way humans are today, with how connected we are I doubt the US would be able to handle such a drastic change. At best, we should hope that people straighten the f*ck up and force some massive changes to the constitution via extreme protesting. That might be a tab bit bloody but at least it's not all out civil war.
What a Ridiculous Thread Trump is just cleaning up Obamas mess and Trans people need help not encouraged to mutalate themselves that includes being bullied or called names. A Man who gotten his genitals Peeled like a bananna and turned inside out is not something anyone should celebrate same goes for a woman getting a Bionic Penis when there is genuine Men with problems and dont get help it the same for peeps that cant have children and have to go through procedures they are being shit on and for any imbecile that thinks im hateful tell the friends I know and who approve what I am saying. Enough of this nonsense we are Human Male and Female I have seen plenty of lesbians argue about transmen not lesbian because they are trans and vice versa then transmendogs.
A Transmandog not only feels like a woman but a dog too and engages un puppy play.
Another example is a Transwhitemale who does not just feel like a woman but a Philippino Woman.
It is a Psychological Disorder and is not to be encouraged. Oh im being Hateful and insensitive, your so wrong the Truth hurts and I wish anyone going through these motions no harm and hope and pray that they will eventually find Peace in who they really are stop listening and letting the Media and those dark thought's dictate to you.
Your Worth More Than That.
A Transmandog not only feels like a woman but a dog too and engages un puppy play.
Another example is a Transwhitemale who does not just feel like a woman but a Philippino Woman.
It is a Psychological Disorder and is not to be encouraged. Oh im being Hateful and insensitive, your so wrong the Truth hurts and I wish anyone going through these motions no harm and hope and pray that they will eventually find Peace in who they really are stop listening and letting the Media and those dark thought's dictate to you.
Your Worth More Than That.
I think the best solution is to stop worrying so much about gender
men and women are pretty similar tbh - so why even put the M or F on the driver's license?
What about occupations? Base them on merit. If you're strong enough then go ahead and be a firefighter. what does it matter if you have balls?
As for prisons, put the prisoner into the one that matches his/her genitals.
And for people who think that they're animals, what does it matter? Let them be.
I Agree but leave Kids out of it and stop shoving it in peoples face.
Stop messing with kids calling them purple penguins non binary and other crap and creepy storytime with drag queens who look like something straight outta horror movie with horns.
If adults want to mess around it quite up to them in theyre time.
Everyone is guilty of having theyre moments EVERYONE. So noone is better than anybody else.
Stop messing with kids calling them purple penguins non binary and other crap and creepy storytime with drag queens who look like something straight outta horror movie with horns.
If adults want to mess around it quite up to them in theyre time.
Everyone is guilty of having theyre moments EVERYONE. So noone is better than anybody else.
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