Hacking Nintendo Switch Banning Hub & Warning

kramdish · Sep 22, 2018

Draxzelex said:
So I believe I see 2 main questions being posed.
You can try calling Nintendo and have them unlink it for you if you give them a legitimate reason such as losing the console, having it stolen, or selling it to a friend.
No it is not. The only way to return a console to its pre-hacking state is with a NAND backup that was made in Hekate before performing any hacks/CFW/homebrew on it. Without that, then your console will never be 100% clean even with a factory reset.

I’m curious about performing the NAND backup. When you first boot into recovery and use your favorite OS to perform the backup, does nothing of that leave any trace in the console itself?

Draxzelex · Sep 22, 2018

kramdish said:
I’m curious about performing the NAND backup. When you first boot into recovery and use your favorite OS to perform the backup, does nothing of that leave any trace in the console itself?

Well if you're using Hekate to perform the NAND backup, you haven't even loaded the OS of the Switch itself at this point so the console shouldn't be aware of what's going on. There may be traces of loading a payload left somewhere in the console but it is definitely not in the OS of the Switch at the very least.

Puppydogpals · Sep 22, 2018

Did you use/restore a clean hack-free NAND before going online? Never restored a NAND

Can you use the eShop on the Switch? N
If you cannot access the eShop, when was the last time you were able to? DAY before updating to 6.0.0

Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N

Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Yes both accounts

SX OS used? Yes since release

Trimmed .XCI? Yes

Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? Yes to activate only

Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? NO

Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? NO

Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? NA

What do you use Non-TX LayeredFS for? NO

Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? NO

Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? NO

Did you inject an .XCI certificate using LayeredFS to play online? NO

Used DevMenu? NO

Installed any .NSP? NO

Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? NO

Did you play any .NSP installed online? NO

Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? NO

Did you update your backups online? OFW

Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y SNES EMU CRASHED ONCE DOCKED. FTP CRASHED FEW TIMES REINX USED ONCE TO USE TOOLBOX TO BACK UP (TWO DAYS B4 BAN)

Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? NO

Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? NO

AutoRCM? Never

Did you update your firmware w/o burning fuses? NO

Did you install the exFAT update offline? NO

receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? Yes

Do you have eclct disabled (look for pm.kip under sysmodules/modules)? NO

Do you have creport enabled (look for a folder named 0100000000000036 under titles)? NO

What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? Never

Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? Yes

Wi-Fi settings deleted in CFW? No but set not to auto connect

Airplane mode? No

Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? NO

Console/Account Region(s) UK

What device(s) do you use to send payloads with? ANDROID

Do you enter RCM by bridging pins 9 & 10 together? Yes with adapted joy con rail

If Banned, provide proof (video preferred)

Additional Comments

Banned from online. Eshop. And game updates after reboot from official update to 6.0.0 working fine on 5.1.0 day before

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KHEOPS · Sep 22, 2018

Puppydogpals
Did you update your backups online? OFW = Ban
It's a shame to lose value on a console (which no longer has access to the nintendo internet) for game updates, while there is an alternative.
What's the point of doing that? If you go update your not original games to ofw.
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? Yes
If it continues like this, I don't think there will be many console switches left on the nintendo online that haven't been fixed.
This is the goal of nintendo
Good game to all

Tumoche · Sep 22, 2018

i'll probably buy a new switch. I have a complete ban, no eshop no nothing. is there any way to transfer my saves? I don't care about my network id bc i haven't purchased anything
EDIT: system transfer and also the cloud save don't work, what can i do?

TherTon · Sep 22, 2018

hello have some questions around the topic bans. I am currently still on 3.0.2. I and some friends wanted to get a family subscription together. but now I don't know how high the probability is that I will be banned if I should update. I'm not sure if it's really good to do without a coldboot exploit. Of course I stayed offline the whole time. I don't have a clear rawnand because I started with a 4gb card and only dumped the system partition. in the mean time I have a 128 GB card. before I installed exfat driver, I did a full nand dump. can Nintendo notice that I installed exfat via hombrew? also did save game editing. also cleared crash logs from time to time

DutchyDutch · Sep 22, 2018

still haven't been banned.

LucioDragon · Sep 22, 2018

Hello, i have been this whoever week outside without Internet, im returning now to my town, but i wanna know if its safe or not to update to 6.0.0. If there is a banwave or. Not. I only use sx pro for xci, no nsp or auto rcm.

AngryCinnabon · Sep 22, 2018

Some homebrew crashed and now i have a shiny console ban! guess i'll get a new switch sooner or later to play online. already submitted info related to the ban,

Draxzelex · Sep 22, 2018

Tumoche said:
i'll probably buy a new switch. I have a complete ban, no eshop no nothing. is there any way to transfer my saves? I don't care about my network id bc i haven't purchased anything
EDIT: system transfer and also the cloud save don't work, what can i do?

You can hack the second console to transfer the saves if you want.

TherTon said:
hello have some questions around the topic bans. I am currently still on 3.0.2. I and some friends wanted to get a family subscription together. but now I don't know how high the probability is that I will be banned if I should update. I'm not sure if it's really good to do without a coldboot exploit. Of course I stayed offline the whole time. I don't have a clear rawnand because I started with a 4gb card and only dumped the system partition. in the mean time I have a 128 GB card. before I installed exfat driver, I did a full nand dump. can Nintendo notice that I installed exfat via hombrew? also did save game editing. also cleared crash logs from time to time

Nintendo can detect all 3 of those especially the last one (i.e. clearing error logs). That one is especially dangerous to do if your console ever went online prior to clearing those logs. If you want to take that risk, then I would recommend restoring the system partition and updating normally (not using ChoiDujourNX). However, nobody here can say you will not be banned for doing so.

LucioDragon said:
Hello, i have been this whoever week outside without Internet, im returning now to my town, but i wanna know if its safe or not to update to 6.0.0. If there is a banwave or. Not. I only use sx pro for xci, no nsp or auto rcm.

Initially when I saw 2 new homebrew only bans, I was highly suspicious of why these users were suddenly banned without touching .NSP, .XCI, or LayeredFS. However, someone brought up some food for thought.

bundat said:
I was thinking updating (back when 5.1.0 was the latest) using ChoiDujourNX was semi-safe because while you never asked N's servers for the 5.1.0 update, it's possible you may have gotten the 5.1.0 update offline from a cartridge that had it.

But right now, AFAIK there are no cartridges out yet with 6.0 FW, so it would be like a giant red flag (imo) to suddenly be on FW 6.0 without your Switch ever asking N's servers for the update officially... because where else could your Switch have gotten the 6.0 update?

Might be worth asking those who got banned when they updated to 6.0 how exactly did they update? (Although this would only be relevant until carts with 6.0 FW built-in come out)

Sure enough, these 2 people updated using ChoiDujourNX because they indicated they updated without burning fuses and the reason why they were banned is explained as above. To summarize, it is impossible to be on firmware 6.0 without going online beforehand so if you're already on firmware 6.0 prior to connecting to the Internet, it most likely set a red flag to Nintendo which led to a ban. Now there are other risk factors to consider here such as AutoRCM and other homebrew possibly utilized. However given the evidence, logic dictates that if you to update to firmware 6.0 without a ban, you should do so via official methods until a cartridge comes with firmware at the very least.

bundat · Sep 22, 2018

Draxzelex said:
they indicated they updated without burning fuses

Now all we need is someone unbanned to update without burning fuses via the "risky method" (i.e. insert jig and hold vol+ while rebooting) and another banwave, so that we can see if having a mismatched fuse count is also bannable now.

Draxzelex · Sep 22, 2018

bundat said:
Now all we need is someone unbanned to update without burning fuses via the "risky method" (i.e. insert jig and hold vol+ while rebooting) and another banwave, so that we can see if having a mismatched fuse count is also bannable now.

I'm going to have to shoot myself in the foot and change the question to be more specific; meaning I'll have to ask if people updated using either ChoiDujour or ChoiDujourNX. Given that most people are unaware of the riskier but "safer" way of updating without burning fuses, its a small price to pay to narrow down the exact cause but given that tutorial thread is somewhat buried, I am willing to accept that margin of error. Plus, some people didn't even know what I was referring to (mostly the fuses part) so this will make mine and their lives easier.

radicalwookie · Sep 22, 2018

Hey guys I have one question. Did everyone that was banned receive a super ban later? I remember that Nintendo upgraded those normal bans but was it for everyone?

Sonansune · Sep 22, 2018

an update on my main swtich status.
still not banned. no homebrew usage after sig patch released, hekate boot stock all the time. (play backup strictly offline on another switch)
used to played layeredfs games a little bit, offline ofc. log got cleared once at that time.
btw, upgrade from 5.1 to 6.0 with choiNX on console, 2 days ago. not the leak package.

i'm on the google doc, so i guess dont need to follow the exactly format?

ll0rT · Sep 22, 2018

Did you use/restore a clean hack-free NAND before going online? N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? N
If you cannot access the eShop, when was the last time you were able to? Couple weeks before. I don't know when I'm banned. Didn't touch the console for days.
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Y
SX OS used? N
Trimmed .XCI? N
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? N
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? N
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? N
What do you use Non-TX LayeredFS for? N
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? N
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? N
Did you inject an .XCI certificate using LayeredFS to play online? N
Used DevMenu? N
Installed any .NSP? N
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? N
Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
Did you update your backups online? N
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y - I used homebrew two times, one time in 4.1 and one time in 5.0. In 4.1 I crashed a lot but cleared the error log. I never crashed homebrew in 5.0.
Homebrews used: 2048, HB appstore, Checkpoint, EdiZon, ftpd, gambatte, gdkGBA, playtone, reinx toolkit, tinfoil (only in menu), useless homebrew.
Homebrews I tried to launch but failed due to crash: kgdoom, desmume, libretro_beetlepsx, libretro_mgba, retroarch_switch

Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? Y
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? Don't really remember but I probably did.
AutoRCM? N
Did you update your firmware using ChoiDujour or ChoiDujourNX? N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? Didn't really understand this question. I have unchecked "Share error information" in system settings.
Do you have eclct disabled (look for pm.kip under sysmodules/modules)? Didn't understand this question so probably not.
Do you have creport enabled (look for a folder named 0100000000000036 under titles)? N
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? Y: 4.1
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? Y
Wi-Fi settings deleted in CFW? N
Airplane mode? N
Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? Y
Console/Account Region(s) Eur
What device(s) do you use to send payloads with? Pc/Android
Do you enter RCM by bridging pins 9 & 10 together? Y
If Banned, provide proof (video preferred) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zu0ZbvzMT1ZQbdttu7eBMypxPYRTWKy_/view
Additional Comments

I never ran any backups / loaded nsp's or xci's or whatever. I only ran homebrew launcher through hekate and reinx.
Before I updated to 6.0, my console crashed a lot for unknown reasons (It was vanilla, no cfw was running).
I updated to 6.0 to try new online features (it crashed one more time in 6.0, still don't know what causing it) and immediately realized that I'm banned. Now I'm getting 2124-4007 whenever I try to enter e-shop.

Draxzelex · Sep 22, 2018

radicalwookie said:
Hey guys I have one question. Did everyone that was banned receive a super ban later? I remember that Nintendo upgraded those normal bans but was it for everyone?

Apparently not everyone has received a CDN ban which is strange because some people are reporting CDN bans despite never being banned before or using any CDN downloader with their console's certificate. However, there doesn't appear to be a pattern between those who got CDN bans and those who didn't

ll0rT said:
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y - I used homebrew two times, one time in 4.1 and one time in 5.0. In 4.1 I crashed a lot but cleared the error log. I never crashed homebrew in 5.0.

Can you be a little more specific on the homebrew you used?

V-Temp · Sep 22, 2018

ll0rT said:
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y - I used homebrew two times, one time in 4.1 and one time in 5.0. In 4.1 I crashed a lot but cleared the error log. I never crashed homebrew in 5.0.

This is probably what got you flagged. Clearing logs is bad, and may have cleared a normal log you had sent to Nintendo once but then were missing. It just took a while for the flag to be escalated.

Your flag just got caught in this most recent banwave.

LucioDragon · Sep 22, 2018

Well i was planning to update on the official way and buy an Internet subscribtion so i guess i wont be using alternative ways to update

KHEOPS · Sep 22, 2018

If your console is clean....
Otherwise restore rawnand.bin
You can update ofw 6.0 ( on nintendo servers)
No clean backup of your nand, no solution without ban ( for internet subscribtion )

Rickardoo · Sep 22, 2018

For each category in the spreadsheet, there should be a total number of people who had that on their switch... for example if 10 people out of 20 had autorcm enabled, then at the bottom you could put 10/20. Simple for calculating what might be the biggest cause of bans.

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