Homebrew mocha cfw options

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

Hi all!

my setup:
_wii u 5.5.1
_haxchi exploit installed with ds game
_sd card with:
_homebrew launcher.elf
_mocha.elf

i do not want install rednand/emunand.
i do not want install coldboot.
i do not want install haxchi cfw.

in the options of mocha cfw, i have this options:
_Skip this menu on launch
_Show launch image
_Don’t relaunch OS
_Launch System Menu
_RedNAND
_SEEPROM redirection
_OTP redirection
_Use syshax.xml (coldboothax)

i do not understand well what active and what disable.

my goal is to play games:
_from usb
_with dlc
_with axchi exploit + mocha cfw + a usb loader

i'm looking for the safest options (and setup) to avoid bricks.

can anyone explain these options to me, even if they do not concern my situation?

my understanding:
_Skip this menu on launch skip the options menu of mocha cfw (understand well)
_Show launch image show an image (understand well)
_Don’t relaunch OS ???
_Launch System Menu ???
_RedNAND "off" because i do not want use rednand ?
_SEEPROM redirection ???
_OTP redirection ???
_Use syshax.xml (coldboothax) "on" only if cooldboot ?

thanks

pwsincd · Jul 20, 2018

you dont need mocha if you have haxchi .. its an either or scenario

you dont need a usb loader to play games...

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
i do not want install rednand/emunand.
i do not want install coldboot.
i do not want install haxchi cfw.

in the options of mocha cfw, i have this options:
_Skip this menu on launch -- your choice
_Show launch image -- your choice
_Don’t relaunch OS -- your choice, on is faster
_Launch System Menu -- yes
_RedNAND -- no
_SEEPROM redirection -- no
_OTP redirection -- no
_Use syshax.xml (coldboothax) -- no

Replies in quote; if you use those settings (and don't relaunch = on) then you're getting the same effect as Haxchi's mini-cfw, except for a lack of wupserver (hardly useful in normal use) and a different IOSU port (meaning you need a different build of certain homebrews, like Ftpiiu Everywhere)

Don't relaunch OS means the fw.img is not reloaded with patches, but rather the copy already in RAM is patched

Launch system menu means if you want the HBL to be closed automatically when starting CFW

EEPROM and OTP are two storage chips that can be emulated in rednand mode (before Mocha, the leading CFW was a manually patched fw.img, which did not offer these options); they should be on if you use rednand (to ensure more separation between sysnand and rednand), else they must be off

syshax.xml shuld be left off, unless stacking CBHC and Mocha (if you forget it off when you need it on, it will bootloop back to the CBHC menu) - CBHC works by changing system.xml (which contains the titleID of the launcher app) to a DS game with a secondary exploit, and copying the original system.xml to syshax.xml (to keep track of the real launcher)

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

hachi want an "fw.img", mocha do not need it; "fw.img" he is a source of bricks

for the usb loader, it was a mistake, i meant to install on usb

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sorry ryccardo but i do not have the knowledge in hack to understand your answer correctly.

_RedNAND -- option related to rednand ? so no.
_SEEPROM redirection -- option related to rednand ? so no.
_OTP redirection -- option related to rednand ? so no.
_Use syshax.xml (coldboothax) option related to coldboot (auto hack on startup)? so no.

is haxchi is fully compatible with mocha cfw ?

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
sorry ryccardo but i do not have the knowledge in hack to understand your answer correctly.

_RedNAND -- option related to rednand ? so no.
_SEEPROM redirection -- option related to rednand ? so no.
_OTP redirection -- option related to rednand ? so no.
_Use syshax.xml (coldboothax) option related to coldboot (auto hack on startup)? so no.

is haxchi is fully compatible with mocha cfw ?

When used to launch an homebrew (including Mocha), there's no significant compatibility difference between Haxchi and the HBL

pidibi36421 said:
hachi want an "fw.img"

It doesn't, that's just one possible thing it can launch (which you can use or avoid)

pidibi36421 said:
"fw.img" he is a source of bricks

Not true, any more than cars are not legally weapons (though they can be used as such, if you are malicious or incompetent)

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

Ryccardo said:
When used to launch an homebrew (including Mocha), there's no significant compatibility difference between Haxchi and the HBL

is haxchi is fully compatible with mocha cfw ?

is the level of compatibility between "haxchi exploit" and "mocha cfw" the same between "haxchi exploit" and "haxchi cfw"?

is mocha cfw very reliable ?
is haxchi cfw very reliable ?

Don't relaunch OS means the fw.img is not reloaded with patches, but rather the copy already in RAM is patched

-Don’t relaunch OS what is the "safest" option ? what does this imply?
-Launch System Menu off (keep open homebrew launcher) on (close homebrew laucher)
-RedNAND off in my case / on for create a redand
-SEEPROM redirection off in my case / on for higher compatibility with redand
-OTP redirection off in my case / on for higher compatibility with redand
-Use syshax.xml (coldboothax) off / on for coldboot

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
is the level of compatibility between "haxchi exploit" and "mocha cfw" the same between "haxchi exploit" and "haxchi cfw"?

Any signature patcher (Haxchi "{button or default} = sysmenu" minicfw, CBHC minicfw, sigpatch2hbl, sigpatch2sysmenu, Mocha, ...) have the same compatibility with installed titles (games, channels, game updates, DLC)

Some homebrews (like one version of ftpiiu-everywhere) only work on Mocha, some others (like a different version of ftpiiu-everywhere) only work on Haxchi/CBHC/sigpatch2* minicfw, most homebrews run on everything

pidibi36421 said:
is mocha cfw very reliable ?
is haxchi cfw very reliable ?

Yes, both are

pidibi36421 said:
Don’t relaunch OS what is the "safest" option ? what does this imply?

Well, as I said, the difference is whether the kernel is reloaded or not
In regular use, on is the better option as it's faster (in fact, Haxchi minicfw and the sigpatch2* ones always work as if this option was on)

pidibi36421 said:
-RedNAND off in my case / on for create a redand

Yes, to create and use a rednand

pidibi36421 said:
-SEEPROM redirection off in my case / on for higher compatibility with redand
-OTP redirection off in my case / on for higher compatibility with redand

More than compatibility, it's to minimize (potentially dangerous) interactions; in any case, since you're not using rednand, they must be off

pidibi36421 said:
-Use syshax.xml (coldboothax) off / on for coldboot

To clarify, you set that option to on if you're already using CBHC; it does not add or remove coldboot by itself, it just makes Mocha compatible with it

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

ok

if i choose haxchi cfw or mocha cfw it will "roughly equivalent"

"Don’t relaunch OS" ---> on = safer

before install "haxchi exploit" i deleted on my sdcard "/haxchi/config.txt", then created an all new one with only this line "default=wiiu/apps/homebrew_launcher/homebrew_launcher.elf". was it an error ?

godreborn · Jul 20, 2018

haxchi will launch that app by default (no button presses). make sure it's on the card or you'll get a minus error.

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
before install "haxchi exploit" i deleted on my sdcard "/haxchi/config.txt", then created an all new one with only this line "default=wiiu/apps/homebrew_launcher/homebrew_launcher.elf". was it an error ?

There is no right or wrong config.txt, all depends on what you want

For example:

Code:

default=wiiu/apps/homebrew_launcher/homebrew_launcher.elf
a=wiiu/apps/mocha/mocha.elf
b=sysmenu

will run the HBL if you don't hold any buttons, run Mocha directly if you hold A, run minicfw directly if you hold B
(of course you can use different button and/or app choices)
Also, if your edit your Haxchi config.txt, you must run the Haxchi installer again and reinstall it, so that config.txt gets copied to the exploited DS game

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

i know for the rehack.

in fact my question is:
does my current txt file hack / patch correctly the wii u?

i have clean up my txt file for it to be simpler: i touch nothing, and i wait the launch of home launcher.

i do not need shortcuts.

i launch ds game - hack hatchi > home launcher > cfw > wii u main interface > game installed > play
i launch ds game - hack hatchi > home launcher > other hombrews

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
does my current txt file hack / patch correctly the wii u?

By itself it doesn't hack or patch anything, it just forwards to an userland homebrew (the HBL, in your case)

pidibi36421 said:
do not need shortcuts.

i launch ds game - hack hatchi > home launcher > cfw > wii u main interface > game installed > play
i launch ds game - hack hatchi > home launcher > other hombrews

Perfectly good!
(Some homebrews need CFW, and will need you to do: ds game/haxchi > home launcher > cfw > wii u main interface > ds game/haxchi > home launcher > other hombrews - but those are a minority, like the already mentioned ftpiiu-everywhere)

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

ok, i take note.

i launch ds game - hack hatchi > home launcher > cfw > wii u main interface > i launch ds game - hack hatchi > home launcher > other hombrews (some homebrew)

it becomes more and more clear.

that is the content of my sd (concerning haxchi)
"\wiiu\apps\haxchi\icon.png"
"\wiiu\apps\haxchi\haxchi.elf"
"\wiiu\apps\haxchi\meta.xml"
"\haxchi\bootDrcTex.tga"
"\haxchi\bootTvTex.tga"
"\haxchi\config.txt"
"\haxchi\iconTex.tga"
"\haxchi\title.txt"

how install the "haxchi cfw" ? -a tuto with screen captures)
is there a screen captures of the options of the "haxchi cfw" + explications?

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
how install the "haxchi cfw" ? -a tuto with screen captures)

Haxchi's minicfw is always installed if you installed Haxchi "the forwarder" - BUT to run it, you must add a "button=sysmenu" line to config.txt, then reinstall Haxchi by running the same app you used to install it ("\wiiu\apps\haxchi\haxchi.elf")

There's no other way, but if you prefer you can just use Mocha (or "sigpatch2sysmenu"/"sygpatch2hbl") - they are mostly equivalent

pidibi36421 said:
is there a screen captures of the options of the "haxchi cfw" + explications?

Haxchi's minicfw does not have any options, not even informational text - it just runs
Haxchi in general does not have by itself any options, it's the user that adds options by putting them in config.txt
The Haxchi installer? You just select an exploitable DS game and confirm your choice

For more information you can check its official topic here on gbatemp!

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

ok.

for "mocha cfw", for "Don’t relaunch OS" you said "on" is the fastest.

i do not need speed.

is "on" the safest?

thank you for all your answers.

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
for "mocha cfw", for "Don’t relaunch OS" you said "on" is the fastest.

i do not need speed.

is "on" the safest?

There is no difference in "safety", in every scenario I've heard of

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

why do not remove this choice, and do not lock this option for the fastest way?

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
why do not remove this choice, and do not lock this option for the fastest way?

Why remove freedom of choice? (That option is there for historical reasons, the first WiiU CFWs were in the form of prepatched fw.img, which means reload is always on - so were the first versions of Mocha, then later that option was added experimentally for speed improvement; now it's known to be stable and, well, faster than not using it)

If you want less choice (understandable: freedom of choice must include by definition the option of having less freedom) there are more suitable CFWs, like Haxchi's minicfw, or sigpatch2sysmenu - both have 0 settings, all the defaults are the ones wanted by the typical gaming user

pidibi36421 · Jul 20, 2018

* Relaunch / on
-slow
-stable

* Relaunch / off
-fast
-stable as much as the other option thanks to the progress in hack

are there any incompatibilities with one of the two options?

Ryccardo · Jul 20, 2018

pidibi36421 said:
* Relaunch / on
-slow
-stable

* Relaunch / off
-fast
-stable as much as the other option thanks to the progress in hack

are there any incompatibilities with one of the two options?

No, 0 known problems (and if you happen to find the first one - you can always change it and try again

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