Donald Trump thinks there should be rating boards for movies and video games.

sarkwalvein · Feb 23, 2018

kuwanger said:
Why? Are they not Americans? Oh, right, as non-adults we designate their rights upon guardians to be metered out at their discretion and as they feel is so warranted. Well, so long as a student is at school, the school has temporary guardianship of the student, so they can designate the student has a right to possess and use a firearm.

Seriously, though, it's interesting that according to you children can't legally own or use guns for one main thing: who defines who is or isn't a child? If we go by what was the standard that was true at the founding of the US, there were definitely 7 year olds who hunted and had their own guns. But let's just set it at 10 years old.

If you couldn't tell, I was being sarcastic. I do not believe a military education would be a good thing to push on all Americans because it frames the world in the context of the military being a solution to most, if not all, of life's problems. Gun training sounds reasonable, though. As for psychological tests, if they couldn't adequately test Nikolas Cruz, I don't have any real hope they'll do a good job with even younger children. The people most capable of passing will be the sociopaths.

More to the point, sending children to mental institutions is no sort of solution any more than our current prison system is any sort of solution to crime. It's merely a system to contain people as we see fit. By the same token, people who are in mental institutions and prisons are "a load for society" precisely because they're locked up. So, we inherently try to cut as many corners on actually engaging with the people to cut costs--and line the pockets of those who build/run the places.

It's just as broken as NCLB and Core40. They present goals and incentives, but they don't provide mechanisms and means to achieve those goals. Instead, the ones who fail are punished and somehow that magically is supposed to fix things. The focus becomes to teach for a test and regurgitate the right answer, not to understand. This whole debate should not be about proposing solutions and then incorporating supposed steps to get there. It should be about finding the problem and then taking steps to reach a solution, even if it's unclear what the final outcome will be.

Sorry, it's been made clear to me that my post could be misinterpreted. I will add a /s at the end now.

kuwanger · Feb 23, 2018

sarkwalvein said:
Sorry, it's been made clear to me that my post could be misinterpreted. I will add a /s at the end now.

Yea, sorry. It's just hard to tell because some people think Starship Trooper was a good idea. :/

spacemaninspace · Feb 23, 2018

sarkwalvein said:
But it was like that from the start. I was not trying to win, you misinterpreted my posts.
Just read them, I was not exactly of your same opinion (because I think truly trained security forces were needed there instead of teachers), but I was totally against the idea of kids with guns.

Don't get annoyed with me, there's no snarky attitude there. In any case you were not paying attention.

PS: I guess I should have added "/s" at the end of some of those posts. Fixing that.

Dude, relax. I was obviously joking. You couldn't tell?

sarkwalvein · Feb 23, 2018

spacemaninspace said:
Dude, relax. I was obviously joking. You couldn't tell?

LOL, I am getting dizzy already. *passes out*

spacemaninspace · Feb 23, 2018

sarkwalvein said:
LOL, I am getting dizzy already. *passes out*

I'm drunk. Don't pay attention to what I say. I'll probably regret everything in a few hours

MadonnaProject · Feb 23, 2018

tech3475 said:
Don't ERSB ratings normally have next to them the contents e.g. blood, violence, etc?

Yes but as I said earlier violence has certain levels, and gore does also. It needs further clarification.

tech3475 · Feb 23, 2018

MadonnaProject said:
Yes but as I said earlier violence has certain levels, and gore does also. It needs further clarification.

So what do you think the back of the box should look like?

Hyborix3 · Feb 23, 2018

Well I mean this is the same guy who doesn't read books so I'm not all surprised at him being outdated with Video games and movies.

FAST6191 · Feb 23, 2018

kuwanger said:
The thing is, we already have that: contributing to the delinquency of a minor. It is, after all, only the R/M/AO ratings that are really being talked about. So, unless he's proposing new rules that apply to adults, then really it's hard to devil's advocate what he's saying meaningfully.

Do people actually get prosecuted for that? I did a quick search and other than something like https://www.omalleylawoffice.com/bl...with-a-child-register-as-a-sex-offender.shtml which could fall under a different remit and https://www.shouselaw.com/colorado/CO_dispensing_violent_films_to_minors.html which in turn says the MPAA means nothing (instead the ever fun "reasonable person" definition appears) I did not get far.

Best I have got thus far is https://library.municode.com/ga/ben...OR_CH38OFMIPR_ARTIIOF_DIV1GE_S38-62DIOFRAVIMO reckons MPAA ratings (or the lack thereof) must be advertised on the cover.

I was also actually looking for prosecutions under it, not law blogs and the code itself, as well.

Equally I don't see where the adults thing came in. I was pondering whether he was calling for (or at posturing/grandstanding with that as the call) a UK/Europe style fines for retailers and government enforced/sanctioned body.

CallmeBerto · Feb 23, 2018

I blame the rap music.

SirNapkin1334 · Feb 23, 2018

sarkwalvein said:
I find amusing the force field that the NRA has erected around firearms. It works wonders, their shields can deflect the controversy from firearms to any other topic as required, shots being shot end up hitting videogames, movies, "banal" teenager use of smartphones, you name it. It's like a magician in action, I want that force field technology.

Lilith Valentine should have used that technology in The Temp Bunker(s).

kuwanger · Feb 23, 2018

FAST6191 said:
I was also actually looking for prosecutions under it, not law blogs and the code itself, as well.

Actual legal enforcement is, as you note, quite rare. It's usually only done in addition to another crime. This is in part because the government puts little effort into enforcement and because the vast majority of businesses choose to comply with the ratings or when they don't it's a parent who has the ability to restrict access so police are uninterested in pushing enforcement. Ie, the only real probably circumstance that police are likely to get involved is if the parent is providing NC-17/AO material or some other adult is repeatedly against the parents permission, and then you're likely to be prosecuted for child grooming or some other more serious crime.

So, yea, I guess that Donald Trump could have meant actual legal enforcement meaningfully pushed at the Federal level to compensate for the States that have no specific laws and for the vast majority of States that rarely enforce their own laws in the matter. I don't see it making much difference though because of said above.

FAST6191 said:
Equally I don't see where the adults thing came in.

Nikolas Cruz is 19. So, yea, even if there were enforced laws about content, it wouldn't apply to him unless it could apply to adults.

Olmectron · Feb 23, 2018

RustInPeace said:
Ugh, why bother complaining about Trump? It's as easy as breathing, and he deserves it. I'd rather say that a positive to it is how Hollywood and video game developers would react? A punk attitude, rebellious, especially in Hollywood where the action movie has sadly been phased out and basically being replaced by superhero movies. I'd love for just a no-frills Hollywood backed action movie with limbs being blown off, death all around, stuff that was common in the 80s, in movies like Commando and the Rambo sequels. So entertaining, but now would be made a middle finger to Trump. I'd love that.

Maybe you already know it, but I'll link this here for anyone missing the 80's movies:

sarkwalvein · Feb 23, 2018

Olmectron said:
Maybe you already know it, but I'll link this here for anyone missing the 80's movies:

That was a nice homage to 80s movies.

SG854 · Feb 23, 2018

CallmeBerto said:
I blame the rap music.

Thats what parents do to avoid responsibility that they are shitty parents. They blame rap music, video games, movies. And the biggest influence in a Childs life especially since kids are around them the most are parents. They go uh it wasn't me, I didn't raise my kid like that, it must be that rap music, it must be them vidya games. Yet there are studies to show video games don't cause aggression, they actual relieve aggression since kids are letting out their anger on the game themselves. So if its not video games then they must learn it from somewhere or not properly disciplined, and its the parents. When their kids succeeds and get trophies they go yup that was all me I'm so good at parenting and they take all the credit, but when the kids does bad they go uh not me its them games they be playin.

ThisIsDaAccount · Feb 23, 2018

sarkwalvein said:
I find amusing the force field that the NRA has erected around firearms. It works wonders, their shields can deflect the controversy from firearms to any other topic as required, shots being shot end up hitting videogames, movies, "banal" teenager use of smartphones, you name it. It's like a magician in action, I want that force field technology.

That force field's name is money.

CallmeBerto · Feb 23, 2018

SG854 said:
Thats what parents do to avoid responsibility that they are shitty parents. They blame rap music, video games, movies. And the biggest influence in a Childs life especially since kids are around them the most are parents. They go uh it wasn't me, I didn't raise my kid like that, it must be that rap music, it must be them vidya games. Yet there are studies to show video games don't cause aggression, they actual relieve aggression since kids are letting out their anger on the game themselves. So if its not video games then they must learn it from somewhere or not properly disciplined, and its the parents. When their kids succeeds and get trophies they go yup that was all me I'm so good at parenting and they take all the credit, but when the kids does bad they go uh not me its them games they be playin.

It was a joke bruh. I agree 100%

The Real Jdbye · Feb 23, 2018

Donald, 1994 called, they want their idea back.

DeslotlCL · Feb 23, 2018

can someone remember me why people elected this guy?

CallmeBerto · Feb 23, 2018

DeslotlCL said:
can someone remember me why people elected this guy?

MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA until the end of time.

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