Hacking Why do people still insist on sticking with Gateway?

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Acekard died because the DS is dead. It didn't die due to being open-source.
Um no, it died because it died, maybe because they couldn't afford to make new hardware/software or maybe they weren't getting enough profit. For example Supercard team is still alive.
it's pretty sad for a corporation to fail to keep their software updated
Gateway is not there to make software for you, they're there to sell hardware to you. Making hardware/software combo that can't be copied by other chinese manufacturers is their goal, its not about offering new features, immediate updates, etc.
If they don't have enough profit or just can't create copy-proof launcher they simply won't release new update rather than risk losing the entire market.
I don't know how much money they get from the sale of Gateway cards
Right now they're probably not getting anything at all.
 
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True enough, perhaps I thought Gateway was bigger than they are in other countries. Either way, if you charge someone for a product you make in your free time and advertise support+updates for said product. It doesn't exactly make you look good to current or new customers by continuously saying "soon" and never delivering.
I think any owners at this point are surprised gateway are still bothered updating, most of the time software updates aren't really done to support your old customers but to reassure new customers that they won't be left in the dirt every few weeks and be asked to pay more and more every time the devs decide they need to make a new revision for .....reasons

anyone who isn't pretending to be stupid at this point would be able to see that gateway still doing updates at this point would really only be doing it because they can, not because it's making them megabux, they probably aren't making anything at all, no doubt suppliers are just clearing leftover stock they already bought and gateway themselves have had no new orders for a long time, I honestly feel this is the longest I have seen a devs team actively supporting a product, even after their sales have probably dried up entirely, so respect to them for sticking around where I know 99% of people would have just flipped the table and left the scene acted their initial 9.2 exploits etc were RE'd and taken by public cfw devs, I can only imagine that 90% of their original Dev team are probably working on new stuff now, maybe even submitting exploits to Nintendo to get those tasty bounties, because why the hell not :rolleyes:
 
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just for cheats online to use to ruin other ppls games ...... sry online community

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but i do use a9lh+luma+ gateway(every once in a while)
 

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2) You have to realize that unlike open-source CFW they have to rewrite a huge part of their launcher to use new firm and encrypt all the changes like usual.

This sounds like BS, if they are so aweful at programming that they need to rewrite it each time. They just just release the sourcecode and let people update it for them. They can just cram out cards that nobody hardly buys.

Um no, it died because it died, maybe because they couldn't afford to make new hardware/software or maybe they weren't getting enough profit. For example Supercard team is still alive.

Supercard is still alive because they continued to sell cards well in to the 3DS era, Acekard 2i was made for the DS and not the 3DS. However, thanks to how Supercard built theirs firmware upgradeable, they were able to bypass the blacklist pretty easily.
Acekard 2i wasn't built for this, it was made for a un-upgradeble system.

[QUOTE="nccom, post: 7247823, member: 36438"
Gateway is not there to make software for you, they're there to sell hardware to you. Making hardware/software combo that can't be copied by other chinese manufacturers is their goal, its not about offering new features, immediate updates, etc.
If they don't have enough profit or just can't create copy-proof launcher they simply won't release new update rather than risk losing the entire market.

Right now they're probably not getting anything at all.[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes they're. They are there to sell you software. If I wanted nothing else but the games running, I could just get something like Sky3DS that is probably a heck of a lot easier to use than a gateway that requires a exploit to run.
There isn't really any market for them to exist anymore. I bet it have tanked hard lately and therefore they're even slower to update than ever.

I don't own a GW, I tought about buying one in the past, but the brickcode was the dealbreaker for me.
 

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Gateway is an awesome product. The best product ever made. It has been designed with utmost care and love. It is easy-to-use, brick-proof, affordable, works on all firmwares, supported and has a huge fanbase. Not to mention it's the only 3DS flashcart to date. It's better than luma, a9hl or any sort of CFW shenanigans. You all should wipe your 3DS clean and buy a Gateway, now. It will be the best purchase of your life. You will like the person you see in the mirror more if you do. Carlton Banks was the star of the show. Gateway for life!
 
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Double the space for games and no 300 app install limit to deal with when using .3ds/.3dz games. That's off the top of my head.
 

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even tho I've set up a9lh I still use gateway on my main console reason

I already have a 64gb in my 3ds I like to have that extra storage option for games on my gw

easy cheat setup

easily creat cheats

I looks cool lol

I already paid for it in why wouldn't I use it I'm not about to let my cash go to waste because this community is full of broke haters
 
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Storage.

The cheat engine not so much. NTR Selector took care of that. Seriously, even I am impressed.

So yeah, just more storage.

At this point, all we need is a new payload for A9LH. Or maybe a nice way to flash it so it just works on Luma.

The DSTwo+ would be a better cart to cover more systems and not have to store on SD.

Sky3DS+ is optimal for more 3DS storage, but so many of us already have Gateway.

But really? The new emulators like BlargSNES (sp?) is putting even the DSTwo+ to shame.

But yeah, storage. And yes, it is very easy to fill a 256GB mSD and still want more storage.

Being able to slap a NES/SNES/GB/GBC collection on a single mSD (DSTwo+) is nice. Then put the GBA/DS collection on the GW Blue cart, then all your other junk .3ds games on the GW Red cart.

The GBA/DS/3DS collections get rather large in size. So yeah...

Storage.


And don't get me started on the Switch. 13gb sized games are going to hurt (botw).
 
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It's funny when people bring up, "I bought it back when in 2014" as an argument. Yes, it was useful back in 2014, but it's also hasn't aged well. Currently it's lagging behind something horrible with OFW support and lacks basic features like FIRM0/1 protection. Sure you can validate it with cheats and .3DS loading, but honestly those still aren't worth the price tag.
People are just paying to stay out of date at this point. With Sighax looming around the corner, it's just going to get worse Gateway users. As they will mostly not get sighax support for 6 months and have it based on older code.

I apparently read the question differently than you do. OP asked why people stick w/ GW, that implied to me existing users not new ones. I don't recommend anyone purchase a GW at this point, but it has features that make it worth using over Luma at times if you already have one or mine would be collecting dust. You invalidate your own "aren't worth the price tag" comment by saying the 2014 argument is legitimate if you only consider people who stick w/ their GW's one and not new purchasers.

Not to pick on you specifically but a lot of the GW haters seem to never even have used one an thus really shouldn't even bother posting in a thread like this. And since GW users see SOOO much of it, it tend to put most on the defensive.

Also people speak as if there is some sort of subscription fee to keep using your GW or get its updates. I paid $60 once back when the GW was the only way to run pirated content on the 3DS, I don't keep paying for either. How am I "paying to stay out of date"? Cheats and .3DS loading may not be worth the price tag to you, but it they are to to some... Actually if I hadn't bought a GW back in the day I more than likely wouldn't buy one now, the $60 I paid back then was more than been returned since even the release of the OSD and then emuNAND; cheats and the other things I mentioned in my first post in this thread are a bonus and the reasons I still use it, not really reasons for me to buy one today. Again, I don't really recommend GW's to anyone anymore, but if you already have one there are, compelling reasons to keep using it. Not that you have done so mind, but GW users around this forum are pretty sick of being insulted for using one.

Sighax isn't a super awesome new exploit to the average A9LH user... Don't get me wrong, I understand what it does and why it IS very cool. OTOH, your average A9LH user will see next to zero improvement over their current setup.
From what I've read Sighax most compelling feature over A9LH is to be able to install TRUE CFW like say a Linux or BSD port and replace the 3DS OS wholesale. Very few people are going to care about this or even want it. If pirated content is run by patching out sig checks via Luma or in the boot ROM, most won't care how its done as long as the end result is the same. A9LH won't quit working when Sighax becomes a thing nor will it become obsolete for most users, it just wont be "the latest thing".
 

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From what I've read Sighax most compelling feature over A9LH is to be able to install TRUE CFW like say a Linux or BSD port and replace the 3DS OS wholesale. Very few people are going to care about this or even want it. If pirated content is run by patching out sig checks via Luma or in the boot ROM, most won't care how its done as long as the end result is the same. A9LH won't quit working when Sighax becomes a thing nor will it become obsolete for most users, it just wont be "the latest thing".
The only difference between k9lhax and sighax for the average user is easier/safer installation (no downgrade). Linux already can replace the default firmware via k9lhax, k9lhax just happens to corrupt and trash Nintendo's firmware to get there.
 
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I just want my GW to work with A9LH again... that was kewl.

Otherwise, it just collects dust.

Really sad.
 

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I just want my GW to work with A9LH again... that was kewl.

Otherwise, it just collects dust.

Really sad.

And the reason it doesn't is because you updated to 11.3. This isn't an attack mind you, but to me there was no compelling reason to do that and a lot of reasons to not (11.3 broke so many 'sploits and other things). If I may ask why did you update and were you unaware that you would lose GW functionality when you did? Genuine question, I'm curious much like the OP, why did you give up GW usage for 11.3? And why are still on 11.3 instead of on 11.4... Or does your sig need updating?

The only difference between k9lhax and sighax for the average user is easier/safer installation (no downgrade). Linux already can replace the default firmware via k9lhax, k9lhax just happens to corrupt and trash Nintendo's firmware to get there.

The following rant isn't directed at you, you were being helpful and nothing else IMO... None the less, given where this thread has gone I feel I have some things to say about Sighax and to anyone who has "Sighax master race!!11one!" comments to post in the near future.

Easier to install? Maybe. Safer? No. Over writing the boot ROM is just as and, over time, MORE dangerous than the downgrade process; and you will continue to over write the boot ROM for upgrades to Sighax until someone releases a bullet proof Sighax loader that boots from SD/CTRNAND. Which will scare noobs off and when the SD loader comes cause threads like "A9LH and Luma. Bought a new SD. My 3DS wont turn on any more." except replace A9LH w/ Sighax.

I'm having a hard time seeing Sighax converting most current exploit users to it unless they are serious power users/developers if they already have A9LH installed or even "acceptable to them" CFW (including GW). Sighax is freakin' awesome but you already said it, it's mostly for people w/o A9LH already (and the power users I mentioned). 11.4 already basically killed it if you're on OFW and up to date, so it won't be the new thing to open that up and recreate the 11.2 and lower wonderland where any 3DS owner on any OFW could follow "the guide" and end up w/ A9LH and Luma.

Everyone on 11.4 and future OFW's are denied it currently. Anyone on 11.3 or lower will have to wait it out until and stay on their current OFW until there is a public solution for Sighax made available. For people on 11.4 and beyond (in the future obviously) wait and hope for a new exploit and hope to god it doesn't require buying a shitty $15 game off of eBay for $90. It's just not a game changer for anyone but people who want to do more than run homebrew and pirated software on their 3DS's... The typical user is in the exact same situation they have always been in (unless they already have A9LH installed), hang out on outdated OFW or upgrade and hope/wait for a new 'sploit that will allow them to install whatever early-take-over implementation is the thing at the time.

Man... So off topic... Sorry OP.
 
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And the reason it doesn't is because you updated to 11.3. This isn't an attack mind you, but to me there was no compelling reason to do that and a lot of reasons to not (11.3 broke so many 'sploits and other things). If I may ask why did you update and were you unaware that you would lose GW functionality when you did? Genuine question, I'm curious much like the OP, why did you give up GW usage for 11.3? And why are still on 11.3 instead of on 11.4... Or does your sig need updating?



The following rant isn't directed at you, you were being helpful and nothing else IMO... None the less, given where this thread has gone I feel I have some things to say about Sighax and to anyone who has "Sighax master race!!11one!" comments to post in the near future.

Easier to install? Maybe. Safer? No. Over writing the boot ROM is just as and, over time, MORE dangerous than the downgrade process; and you will continue to over write the boot ROM for upgrades to Sighax until someone releases a bullet proof Sighax loader that boots from SD/CTRNAND. Which will scare noobs off and when the SD loader comes cause threads like "A9LH and Luma. Bought a new SD. My 3DS wont turn on any more." except replace A9LH w/ Sighax.

I'm having a hard time seeing Sighax converting most current exploit users to it unless they are serious power users/developers if they already have A9LH installed or even "acceptable to them" CFW (including GW). Sighax is freakin' awesome but you already said it, it's mostly for people w/o A9LH already (and the power users I mentioned). 11.4 already basically killed it if you're on OFW and up to date, so it won't be the new thing to open that up and recreate the 11.2 and lower wonderland where any 3DS owner on any OFW could follow "the guide" and end up w/ A9LH and Luma.

Everyone on 11.4 and future OFW's are denied it currently. Anyone on 11.3 or lower will have to wait it out until and stay on their current OFW until there is a public solution for Sighax made available. For people on 11.4 and beyond (in the future obviously) wait and hope for a new exploit and hope to god it doesn't require buying a shitty $15 game off of eBay for $90. It's just not a game changer for anyone but people who want to do more than run homebrew and pirated software on their 3DS's... The typical user is in the exact same situation they have always been in (unless they already have A9LH installed), hang out on outdated OFW or upgrade and hope/wait for a new 'sploit that will allow them to install whatever early-take-over implementation is the thing at the time.

Man... So off topic... Sorry OP.
sighax doesn't overwrite the bootrom, it just makes the FIRM sectin always pass signature checks, it's really just the same lever of safe as a9lh once installed as the only thing that can brick the system is FIRM being over wrote, and it's easier to install as it can be done directly from 11.3 or lower without having to downgrade to 2.1 first, so the guide will literally be copy a few files to the sd and run installer, and your on cfw in under 10 min (although you should still backup your nand first)

but yeah only reason people will be upgrading to sighax from a9lh is because they bought into the "sighax makes everything possible" nonsense or they want to run around saying "sighax master race"

sighax is most useful for bricked systems or 11.4+ systems, only other advantages are kids useless for the end user (things like dumping the otp while on any fw)
 
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Yeah, I did some digging apparently the dev of ntr and end users were being dicks to one another which resulted in ntr development stopping. A shame. NTR had so much potential.
 

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