Hacking I think I'm tired of stealing games.

lolsjoel · Oct 11, 2006

QUOTE(mthrnite @ Oct 11 2006 said:
I'd like to put forth the idea that the original poster is using the "high moral ground" platform (and the attention grabbing topic title) as a launching point to get somebody on this board to pm him and buy his supercard. Then he'll have enough money to buy that new sexy slot-1 solution he's been slobbering over.

Just thought I'd touch on that possibility, since nobody else has. I'm not accusing him of it of course.

but...

There areÂ a bunch of dirty pirates on this board after all.

No, that is not atol my intention. I've got to say that the slot-1 flash carts sound cool and all, and I'm glad to see that the development is progressing as so, but I have no intention on buying it. I guess the real reason I want to stop using the flash cart is because, well, I don't know, I guess I feel I owe Nintendo more respect than that? I've been playing since the NES and have been ripping games off since GBA (my F2A just died by the way...). But, I'm kind of being proactive, as in I'd personally feel like a great big bastard if I started pirating Wii games too just because I've been doing it so long. The Wii and the DS are true revolutions in gaming and I think it's high time I start supporting them. Now, I'm not condemning a single one of you, honestly. Buy, don't buy. Pirates don't much affect game developers, so no one will know. But for me, I've been growing out of gaming for a few years because I'm not owning games any more. My most commonly played system is my restored NES and it's because I own a load of real cartridges for it!

So, I suppose I'll hang on to my flashcard, just tuck it away for a few years down the road when we've moved on to bigger and better platforms. I also think I ought to start looking for a copy of Lost in Blue and Phoenix Wright because those are the two games I played most extensively on the cart. Then I can say "I was just testing them... for about 50 hours a piece"

BTW: No one has PM'ed me about buying the cart.

Also, part of the reason I'll have so much extra money these days, is because I secured to PS3 preorders yesterday! WOOT!

sandreezy · Oct 11, 2006

QUOTE(rezen @ Oct 11 2006 said:
Make sure you get rid of all your shareware programs as well, mp3 which haven't been bought, oh and register that copy of windows with a retail key

Then you should feel enlightened

LOL so true

and bobitos, are you going to sell that ps3 on ebay for 1200 dollers? thats what im going to do

lolsjoel · Oct 11, 2006

QUOTE(sandreezy @ Oct 11 2006 said:
QUOTE(rezen @ Oct 11 2006 said:

Make sure you get rid of all your shareware programs as well, mp3 which haven't been bought, oh and register that copy of windows with a retail key

Then you should feel enlightened

LOL so true

and bobitos, are you going to sell that ps3 on ebay for 1200 dollers? thats what im going to do

Click to expand...

Um, hell yes!

Though I actually expect to pull more than $1200 per system. I'm going to pack each system with Resistance: Fall of Man or Oblivion IV and an extra controller and memory card. I kinda bet that package could go for $2000+ each, though I'm trying not to get myself too set on that number in case I get "disappointed" and they only go for 2X retail :-D

I'm not saying I'm giving up on pirating as a whole, but I'm sorta working on it. With music, I'm never going to buy a CD because it just goes on my iPod and I have no use for the disc, but when a band comes around that I've ganked music from, I go to their shows, cheer my ass off, and buy a shirt. With programs, I don't give a damn. I want my computer to run perfectly at all times, so I acquire a copy of all the programs that I need to make that happen - of course, I don't sell them, but I'm fine with distributing them! That about all I do with piracy. And why not take small steps? I'm starting with Nintendo - not Microsoft!

PineappleH · Oct 11, 2006

Hmm, I guess u're starting a "small" step alright, but according to what u just said, it doesn't seem u're taking any steps other than this. . . . .

If u're gonna take a step and then stand still, I don't get what's the point of the beginning step. Stealing less or stealing more is still stealing.

Also i don't understand how u can be less guilty of stealing from one person than another, well in this case company.

rezen · Oct 11, 2006

If you feel so guilty about your DS pirating, start buying your games and thats it. To me, if you wanted to really turn a new leaf then you would have to try and do a bit of everything; It's not fair to only give back to one company in this case...

I'm a bit annoyed to hear your able to put down the cash for a PS3 (showing you easily have money to burn) and then on top to say your ebaying for profit!! Nice, you have just planned to rip off your fellow gamer! Just my 2c/5p.

Good luck to you though and have fun.

lolsjoel · Oct 11, 2006

PineappleH and rezen, neither am I giving a "holier than thou" lecture nor am I looking for one. I'm simply saying that I'm going to start buying DS and Wii games. Are you two really suggesting that I continue to pirate those games if I'm going to still download music? How are you saying that that'd be better, or the same as actually purchasing some products?

rezen, I work for my money, and when I see an opportunity to turn my money into more money, I take it. I don't have money to just throw around, but I have enough that I do some of the things I like. Moreso, I don't need a single penny to purchase PS3 systems. With a credit card and a $3000 spending limit, I'm able to pick up the systems, sell them on eBay, get paid, and use that money to pay the subsequent bill in full. And it's all relative about ripping people off anyways. How many people really wanted to get that system when I got my preorders? The numbers at my store only say 4 other people were willing to do what it takes to secure a system on launch. So no one is missing out on a system, because they did nothing to acquire it. I did, and for my own reasons. And who am I really ripping off? When those PS3's go on eBay, they'll be set at .99 cents. I'm not going to force anyone to pay anything for them. If they don't sell, they don't, and I'll take them back to Gamestop. If they sell, it's because the bidders set their own limits. And I'm quite sure, that it's not going to be a kid bidding the systems up to two grand. You can't rape the willing. You can't screw someone out of money if they decide how much they're willing to spend.

sandreezy · Oct 11, 2006

yeah, hes not ripping any 'fellow gamers' off. if they want to spend twice the retail price, who's going to stop them. not me thats for sure.

NetixRiqua · Oct 11, 2006

there is no difference between a tradesman and pirate... one makes big bucks.. the other doesn't need big bucks.. no, i guess it isn't the same afterall... i live in turkey and if you lived in turkey you would see how good it is to say "YARRRR!" and "Yohoho!" around here one of my best friends always had the most games the best pc and teh newest conzolez.. i always played in emulators (well i was smart he was rich) then one day searchin for a PS2 controller a site had somethin like "GBA Accessories" and there it was a stupid-azzed F2A 512Mb i was pretty happy becoz the NDS was goin out soon and i was gonna use it with teh ds.. well that didnt happened until i ebayed a passcard i couldn't do it the first time (because i am a 12yr old snotty kid) then i saw the SRAM modifier made by someone i dont know (pepsiman i think..) i used it and my friend got pwn3d now that was a good story wasn't it? thanks for not looking and just scrollin down =) (the thing that the story tryed to explain was i ripped my butt to do this and when i did it i was happy as hell [oh boy why did i write this anyway?])

HeatMan Advance · Oct 11, 2006

Bobito selling the consoles on ebay is a lot better than what pirates do. Bobito is still helping the retailer and Sony with his purchase. The PS3 he's going to auction is worth whatever the bidder pays so everyone benifits from this.

When he pirated nobody got anything

mthrnite · Oct 11, 2006

Yeah, I noticed you were one of those preorder->Ebay people from earlier posts about your mom snaggin' an extra wee for your little enterprise. I think that was you, if not, forgive me.

Technically there's nothing wrong with that.

I worked at a thrift shop for many years and we always had the same 5 or 10 people waiting at the door every morning when we opened. They would grab up all the good stuff and then sell it the next weekend at the flea market for a profit.

I never told them they couldn't do it, or were bad people for trying to make a buck, but I wouldn't pat 'em on the back for it either.

The end result was, people who could've gotten a nice toaster got a crap toaster. In your case, you are contributing to the scarcity of units, then taking advantage of the people who may have been able to buy one easily if it weren't for people like you doing what you do to make yourself a buck.

So, you're not necessarily a bad guy, just like the vultures at the thrift shop weren't bad guys, but there is a certain smell to what you do that is not entirely pleasant.

Scorpin200 · Oct 11, 2006

I don't believe you guys are still talking about this from last nite

, and as for making money on systems why don't you just fix them instead.

HeinzHarald · Oct 11, 2006

I most likely wouldn't have bought a DS had flashcarts not been available (same goes for my GBA), and would in turn not have bought the few retail games I own.

I do however not buy games out of guilt (not primarily anyway). Buying a used game gives me pretty much the same satisfaction as buying a new game, still I'm not financially supporting Nintendo or the developer at all by doing so. It's nice to have a box and a printed manual, and it's nice knowing my game will work 100% as it should without any hassles at all. Owning a physical product feels better than just having a few bytes on a memory card.

Some games I buy (new) partly because I like the developer and wish to show my support though. Is that guilt? You decide.

rezen · Oct 12, 2006

Wow, I didn't expect this kind of feedback and you're right, it's not like your sticking a gun to someone's head on ebay but to the person who goes to the store for the run-up of Xmas and gets told there are no units... That was one unit that could of been in their hands for retail price. That was simply the case I wanted to make. Tread carefully with this...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154348

There seems to be a scam going on in the UK supermarket Tesco at the minute where because the staff are not able to change the ticket prices properly every week, people are trying to walk away with a FREE Xbox 360 based on a policy these customers know they are abusing. I read those posts and think what a bunch of scum for going to the store with the sole intention of ripping them off. If that ain't stealing, I don't know what is anymore.

It's good that you want to turn a new leaf and I wish you the best of luck with it

ron555 · Oct 12, 2006

QUOTE said:
Owning a physical product feels better than just having a few bytes on a memory card.

That's where I disagre with you.

When I was looking for a 'filler' cartridge for my NDSL slot (I idiotically sold all my damn games with my DS Phat), I found Madden 2005 for $10 at EB. Came with instructions & box. I asked the EB guy if there was a used game for $10 that came cart-only. He said no. Me? I like electronic only. I don't have space for games. It introduces clutter and I wish Nintendo woul implement some electronic gaming system

lolsjoel · Oct 12, 2006

QUOTE(rezen @ Oct 12 2006 said:
Wow, I didn't expect this kind of feedback and you're right, it's not like your sticking a gun to someone's head on ebay but to the person who goes to the store for the run-up of Xmas and gets told there are no units... That was one unit that could of been in their hands for retail price. That was simply the case I wanted to make. Tread carefully with this...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154348

There seems to be a scam going on in the UK supermarket Tesco at the minute where because the staff are not able to change the ticket prices properly every week, people are trying to walk away with a FREE Xbox 360 based on a policy these customers know they are abusing. I read those posts and think what a bunch of scum for going to the store with the sole intention of ripping them off. If that ain't stealing, I don't know what is anymore.

It's good that you want to turn a new leaf and I wish you the best of luck with it

There's another little logical error in your first statement up there, NO ONE is going to be able to run into a store and grab a PS3 this year. So, you could say that someone here could have gotten it for retail price, yes, but whoever it is that thinks they can run into a store to buy the PS3 is going to be awfully thankful that people are around to sell them right before the Holidays. Well, thankful might not be the word when they're forking over thousands of dollars, but relieved to get what they need at least.

Lily · Oct 12, 2006

This is in response to the original topic subject - being tired of stealing games.

I too have had the 'crisis of conscience' every once in a while. After all, the people who introduced me to computers when I was very young were all involved in piracy, so I got involved and have always been involved. When I want a song, I download it. A shareware application? I won't even download it without access to the crack/serial keygen. A game or application? Downloading is the first thought that comes to mind. Same with books and magazines. The content is all available to download within moments of it being available authentically, so why am I going to waste time and effort heading to a store when all the content I want is available at my fingertips instantly without even leaving my computer?

Where the 'crisis of conscience' comes in is that essentially content is worthless to me. I don't value the content as purchaseable or valuable goods. I walk into my local electronics stores and make note of what's on the shelves as to what I've downloaded and what I want to download. Actually buying most of the stuff never even enters my mind. I do buy video games. In fact, I buy a ridiculous amount of them, because I love gaming, and I will always love gaming. I'm aware that my purchases contribute to the developers and continue to ensure that games continue to be made. That's not the ultimate reason why I purchase the games though. I simply like the boxes on my shelf, and the convenience of not having to worry about which flashcart the game will work on, which media to burn it on, or playing 1/2way through and coming back later only to find out my save wasn't stored. I get joy out of owning the original. That is my choice. I still pirate an ungodly amount of games, including the ones that I own, but that is also my choice. Some of the games that I purchase are still valueless to me, because the mentality is hard to shake, but at least I am more likely to spend the time completing the games I purchased because I take pride in doing so.

What I don't do is make excuses for my behaviour, nor do I try and preach from a higher moral ground. If I didn't steal all of the content I enjoy, would my consumption habits be different? Absolutely! If I purchased every piece of content I enjoyed I would be worse than flat broke. However, I do not feel entitled to the content. A lot of people falter in their arguments because they use excuses such as "I can't afford to watch/play/listen, so I steal." Piracy is theft. No, you are not entitled to steal for any lame-duck reason, including your ability or lack thereof to afford the content.

What you are entitled to in just about every corner of the world is your own choice. There is no need to apologize for your choice, or to make excuses for it. The only thing a pirate can do to improve their experience with whatever content they pirate is to try and enjoy it more. That's it. Converting from a pirate to a law-abiding citizen is difficult thing to do. A damn near impossible one. Try paying for a Windows license for each of the computers in your family, rather than using muBlinder to bypass Windows Genuine Advantage. Hurts a little, eh? Maybe you feel a little better karma-wise on the inside, and it's enough to justify it to yourself. Hey, that's OK. Do what's right for you.

Don't make what's right for you right for everyone else.

Elrinth · Oct 12, 2006

I use my flashcart to run homebrew and "test" games... Unless we're talking Kirby Canvas Curse and Phoenix Wright.. Which are two games I finished on my flashcard

However, the rest of the games I've only tested then bought.
For example:
Castlevania, Mario Kart, Metroid Prime, Nanostray.

Veho · Oct 12, 2006

My views on piracy have always been this: it is okay to download games, apps and even Windows, it is okay to download mp3's and movies. It's not legal, it's not very morally sound, but I can find my excuses for doing it.

But selling bootleg for a profit is just wrong.

I don't feel guilt if I download some piece of software, toy with it for a while, and delete it. I won't make money out of it, I won't use somebody else's work for my own financial gain.

A much worse kind of piracy is having a company's network entirelly based on illegal copies of Windows. Or using a pirated copy of AutoCAD to draw blueprints (if you are a designer/architect/engineer), which you will sell later. Or to own a photo studio with pirated copies of Photoshop on your computers.

Or, well, selling bootleg CD's and DVD's from the back of a truck in the street.

That sort of business practice hurts more people than me listening to pirated mp3's. It's unfair to the competition (because they have to pay for their tools), and to the customers (how many times have you heard, "hey, the PC repair is 20% off, because we didn't pay for our diagnostic software!"). I won't mention the taxpayers (all those companies get tax deductions on the basis of "business expenses"), because I don't care about the taxpayers

All I'm saying is that outright stealing (what they do) is much worse than my "failure to buy" somebody's software. Maybe I'm just rationalising the whole thing so I would feel better about piratising games. I don't care. That was just my 2 cents' worth.

skylerj · Oct 13, 2006

That's not

skylerj · Oct 13, 2006

No. You want to know what stealing is? The damn scumbag who who took my bag with:
2 DS lites
g6 flash cart
all of my freaking games! Real legal games, all 20 of them stacked neatly in two altoid tins!

So at this point, I figure I gave nintendo enough of my money for ds product. Anything else they come out with is fair game.

But my personal opinion is that if you can afford it, you should buy the games. But if you're a broke ass studet or something, then using roms is fine, as long as you make good faith attempt to buy as many of your favorite games as possible when you have the money.

Hacking I think I'm tired of stealing games.

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