Governor Walz selected as VP for Dem ticket

Sicklyboy · 2024-08-07T04:31:12+0100

x65943 said:
He supports one form of violence to end another form of violence

It's not as clear cut as saying he is anti violence at that point when he said he is in support of violence (at least of one form) and doesn't care if people burnt their own neighborhoods

Oh boy, next you're gonna say I'm anti-free speech because I don't believe Nazis deserve a voice at all.

x65943 · 2024-08-07T04:32:06+0100

Sicklyboy said:
Oh boy, next you're gonna say I'm anti-free speech because I don't believe Nazis deserve a voice at all.

Yes, I would absolutely say that

If you are in support of for instance European laws that criminalize Holocaust denial, you are in fact against free speech as set out in the first amendment

Xzi · 2024-08-07T04:33:28+0100

x65943 said:
He is pro violence in terms of riots, that are at least superficially antiviolence in terms of police brutality

He supports one form of violence to end another form of violence

It's not as clear cut as saying he is anti violence at that point when he said he is in support of violence (at least of one form) and doesn't care if people burnt their own neighborhoods

Yeah...I'd say equating violence against human beings with violence against property (and especially corporate property) is at the heart of the miscommunication here. The purpose of the police should be to protect and serve the former, but they too often demonstrate that they only care about protecting and serving the latter.

x65943 · 2024-08-07T04:34:18+0100

Xzi said:
Yeah...I'd say equating violence against human beings with violence against property (and especially corporate property) is at the heart of the miscommunication here. The purpose of the police should be to protect and serve the former, but they too often demonstrate that they only care about protecting and serving the latter.

It's one thing to burn corporate property, and I feel much less bad about that

But it didn't stop at that, small businesses were destroyed too, and not just there but all over the country including in my home state

And of course it's still violence

Sicklyboy · 2024-08-07T04:35:23+0100

x65943 said:
Yes, I would absolutely say that

If you are in support of for instance European laws that criminalize Holocaust denial, you are in fact against free speech as set out in the first amendment

lol.

lmao even.

I have nothing else to add down this line of discussion now. I've stated my stance quite plainly and I stand by it unwaveringly. Make of it what you will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

supermist · 2024-08-07T04:35:29+0100

x65943 said:
It's one thing to burn corporate property, and I feel much less bad about that

But it didn't stop at that, small businesses were destroyed too, and not just there but all over the country including in my home state

Do I gotta find more examples for you on this?

It's

not

the

protestors

Ok why not just set the record straight

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful:
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

At the end of 2020, Trump's DHS has also stated white supremacist extremists are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the US:
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf

Where could some of the 7% of these non peaceful incidents be coming from? Are right wingers intentionally fanning the flames?

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...al-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748

Twitter suspends account of white nationalist group posing as antifa:
https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-suspends-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-as-antifa/

Far-right smear campaign against Antifa exposed:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

White supremacy groups try to infiltrate recent protests and influence the narrative:
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/pre...courts-amid-covid-19/white-supremacy-protests

3 with ties to white extremism accused of plotting mayhem at protests:
https://www.ajc.com/news/with-ties-...tting-mayhem-protests/GdtpTjwVaapgVZihVtNWeI/

Antifa not the cause of violence at protests:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

Far-right extremists showing up at BLM protests behind the violence:
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article243553662.html

White agitators bringing arson to a George Floyd protest:
https://www.frontpagelive.com/2020/06/04/white-arsonists-george-floyd-protests/

Threat of "lethal violence" from "lone offenders" motivated by race:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/intellige...ated-violence-makes-mention/story?id=71166595

Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/wh...-protesters-instigated-richmond-riots-police/

Proud Boys’ brutally beat Black Lives Matter protesters after Trump Parade:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/wa...k-lives-matter-protesters-after-trump-parade/

Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/09/23/patriot-coalition-far-right-chat-logs-violence/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-texts

Oregon sheriff tells militia members to "have fun killing antifa"

Police arrest Proud Boy protester who pointed gun at Portland rally:
https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09...-protester-who-pointed-gun-at-portland-rally/

Cop drives motorcycle into protester:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/cop-drives-motorcycle-into-protester

Boogaloo Bois fired on Minneapolis police precinct, shouted 'Justice for Floyd'
https://www.startribune.com/charges...precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/
https://www.mediaite.com/news/far-r...after-shooting-at-minneapolis-police-station/

Trump supporters trying to destroy the Oregon's State Capitol doors to gain entry:

Trump supporters use mace on police during a protest at Oregon’s capital:

Right wingers who stormed Oregon State Capitol standoff with Police. Tell them they are traitors and threaten to hang them:

IncredulousP · 2024-08-07T04:38:25+0100

x65943 said:
It's one thing to burn corporate property, and I feel much less bad about that

But it didn't stop at that, small businesses were destroyed too, and not just there but all over the country including in my home state

And of course it's still violence

Ngl. I'm sure it does suck for those privileged enough to own a business. Can't say I empathize personally, and if I did own a store, I'd be happy as long as no one got hurt. I don't worry about the well being of material possessions.

Xzi · 2024-08-07T04:40:55+0100

x65943 said:
It's one thing to burn corporate property, and I feel much less bad about that

But it didn't stop at that, small businesses were destroyed too, and not just there but all over the country including in my home state

Well it's also important to understand that agitators and those acting in bad faith will always seek to take advantage of events like these. Splinter groups and even individuals are going to pursue their self-serving agendas. All the more reason why authorities cannot be giving them those opportunities by inciting mass civil unrest with their actions.

x65943 · 2024-08-07T04:41:00+0100

supermist said:
Do I gotta find more examples for you on this?

It's not the protestors

Ok why not just set the record straight

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful:
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

At the end of 2020, Trump's DHS has also stated white supremacist extremists are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the US:
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf

Where could some of the 7% of these non peaceful incidents be coming from? Are right wingers intentionally fanning the flames?

AP finds most arrested in protests aren’t leftist radicals
https://apnews.com/article/virus-ou...al-injustice-7edf9027af1878283f3818d96c54f748

Twitter suspends account of white nationalist group posing as antifa:
https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-suspends-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-as-antifa/

Far-right smear campaign against Antifa exposed:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631

White supremacy groups try to infiltrate recent protests and influence the narrative:
https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/pre...courts-amid-covid-19/white-supremacy-protests

3 with ties to white extremism accused of plotting mayhem at protests:
https://www.ajc.com/news/with-ties-...tting-mayhem-protests/GdtpTjwVaapgVZihVtNWeI/

Antifa not the cause of violence at protests:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/22/who-caused-violence-protests-its-not-antifa/

Far-right extremists showing up at BLM protests behind the violence:
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article243553662.html

White agitators bringing arson to a George Floyd protest:
https://www.frontpagelive.com/2020/06/04/white-arsonists-george-floyd-protests/

Threat of "lethal violence" from "lone offenders" motivated by race:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/intellige...ated-violence-makes-mention/story?id=71166595

Richmond riots instigated by white supremacists:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/wh...-protesters-instigated-richmond-riots-police/

Proud Boys’ brutally beat Black Lives Matter protesters after Trump Parade:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/wa...k-lives-matter-protesters-after-trump-parade/

Leaked Messages Show Far-Right Group's Plans for Portland Violence:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/09/23/patriot-coalition-far-right-chat-logs-violence/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/23/oregon-portland-pro-trump-protests-violence-texts

Oregon sheriff tells militia members to "have fun killing antifa"

Police arrest Proud Boy protester who pointed gun at Portland rally:
https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09...-protester-who-pointed-gun-at-portland-rally/

Cop drives motorcycle into protester:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/cop-drives-motorcycle-into-protester

Boogaloo Bois fired on Minneapolis police precinct, shouted 'Justice for Floyd'
https://www.startribune.com/charges...precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/
https://www.mediaite.com/news/far-r...after-shooting-at-minneapolis-police-station/

Trump supporters trying to destroy the Oregon's State Capitol doors to gain entry:

Trump supporters use mace on police during a protest at Oregon’s capital:

Right wingers who stormed Oregon State Capitol standoff with Police. Tell them they are traitors and threaten to hang them:

Thinking the riots were by magas is as delusional as my buddy who thought jan 6 was antifa in disguise

supermist · 2024-08-07T04:43:03+0100

x65943 said:
Thinking the riots were by magas is as delusional as my buddy who thought jan 6 was antifa in disguise

The violence and destruction for much of it was, and I backed that up with various statistics and news articles detailing the arrests of the individuals behind those acts.

x65943 · 2024-08-07T04:45:08+0100

supermist said:
The violence and destruction for much of it was, and I backed that up with various statistics and news articles detailing the arrests of the individuals behind those acts.

there were millions of dollars of damages over large swathes of the country, looting, arson etc

this was done by hundreds of people or more - anecdotes of a few cherry picked people does not give you an accurate picture of the riots in general

Xzi · 2024-08-07T04:45:26+0100

x65943 said:
Thinking the riots were by magas is as delusional as my buddy who thought jan 6 was antifa in disguise

C'mon man, why the hell wouldn't people who support a convicted felon for president take advantage of such a scenario? Especially if they're impoverished themselves? The protestors were not a monolith, and neither were the rioters.

x65943 · 2024-08-07T04:47:59+0100

Xzi said:
C'mon man, why the hell wouldn't people who support a convicted felon for president take advantage of such a scenario? Especially if they're impoverished themselves? The protestors were not a monolith, and neither were the rioters.

were there some conservatives taking advantage of the situation? Sure

were they all conservatives like supermist is stating? Obviously not

IncredulousP · 2024-08-07T04:50:05+0100

supermist said:
backed that up with various statistics

x65943 said:
anecdotes of a few cherry picked people

Cmon dude you're just arguing in bad faith at this point. Statistics are the amalgamation of many many data points. Far from "anecdotes of a few cherry picked people". And more, there were MANY statistical references, so you can't say they cherry picked even the statistics.

x65943 said:
were they all conservatives like supermist is stating?

You have a bad habit of strawmanning.

KingVamp · 2024-08-07T04:54:24+0100

Lying isn't protected by the 1st amendment.

supermist · 2024-08-07T05:02:50+0100

x65943 said:
there were millions of dollars of damages over large swathes of the country, looting, arson etc

this was done by hundreds of people or more - anecdotes of a few cherry picked people does not give you an accurate picture of the riots in general

Ok prove this.

x65943 · 2024-08-07T05:05:54+0100

KingVamp said:
Lying isn't protected by the 1st amendment.

Lying and beliefs aren't the same thing

If they were, Christians would all be in jail for their belief in desert zombies

Criminalizing free thought and speech is wrong

Holocaust deniers are idiots but they tend to be idiots in good faith - which is distinct from lying

DiscostewSM · 2024-08-07T05:47:31+0100

There are people who want to watch the world burn, and if given the opportunity, would join in to make that happen.

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