New SNES "Edge-Enhancer" mod brings clean CVBS and S-Video output on console

Hanafuda · Thursday at 2:05 AM

"outputting cleaned CVBS and S-video"

CVBS is composite
S-video is a big step up and was the best you could do on most USA TV's in the 90's
But RGB is best

All SNES and SuFami consoles already output RGB natively (excluding the SNES Jr. and SuFami Jr., which need a mod to do RGB and S-video), so does this mod do anything to improve the RGB-out on a 2-chip SNES/SuFami? if not, well, I can see where casual SNES owners who use the composite output might benefit, but those people aren't the type to be in the market for such things in the first place.

NinStar · Thursday at 3:36 AM

I think I'm the only one who prefers to play SNES games with composite signal.

Hanafuda · Thursday at 3:45 AM

NinStar said:
I think I'm the only one who prefers to play SNES games with composite signal.

Are you playing on a CRT? It's not that bad on a decent CRT, was certainly good enough for me back in the day before I got weird with the RGB (or at least component) fixation. But on modern TVs, composite just looks like ass.

Daggot · Thursday at 5:26 AM

I think S-video is so damn close to RGB on late 90s Sony CRTs that it's good enough for most people to never go beyond it.

It's great

Hanafuda · Thursday at 5:48 AM

Daggot said:
I think S-video is so damn close to RGB on late 90s Sony CRTs that it's good enough for most people to never go beyond it.

It's great

True. I still use S-video for N64. Upscaled to 720p through a Framemeister, but still s-video. And it looks great.

I've got two Super Famicoms and a SFjr on which I did the rgb/s-video mod. And RGB out of that SFjr looks incredible. But I don't actually use any of them anymore. The Super NT (hdmi) solved all my SNES needs.

scroeffie1984 · Thursday at 6:30 AM

rgb megadrive genesis ,looks way sharper than the pal rgb snes i want a sharper pal snes not sharper svideo or composite

fvig2001 · Thursday at 6:35 AM

Wow I thought Voultar quit after some vandals broke into his work area

Kioku · Thursday at 6:41 AM

Can’t wait to get this installed in a SFC I picked up last year in Osaka.

Hanafuda · Thursday at 6:43 AM

scroeffie1984 said:
rgb megadrive genesis ,looks way sharper than the pal rgb snes i want a sharper pal snes not sharper svideo or composite

You need a 1-chip or SFjr / SNESjr for better rgb SNES. I don't know if there were PAL SNES Jr's, but there are PAL 1-chip SNES's for sure.

Comparison: https://www.retrorgb.com/snesversioncompare.html

Localhorst86 · Thursday at 7:35 AM

I love me some good edging

RAHelllord · Thursday at 10:24 AM

Hanafuda said:
"outputting cleaned CVBS and S-video"

CVBS is composite
S-video is a big step up and was the best you could do on most USA TV's in the 90's
But RGB is best

All SNES and SuFami consoles already output RGB natively (excluding the SNES Jr. and SuFami Jr., which need a mod to do RGB and S-video), so does this mod do anything to improve the RGB-out on a 2-chip SNES/SuFami? if not, well, I can see where casual SNES owners who use the composite output might benefit, but those people aren't the type to be in the market for such things in the first place.

RGB is also sharper, and was what voultar fixed first with this mod. The composite and S-Video are new additions to the mod, so that it now fixes effectively all output options available.

Scriber · Thursday at 10:58 AM

fvig2001 said:
Wow I thought Voultar quit after some vandals broke into his work area

"vandals"

A shelf fell down.

Dust2dust · Thursday at 12:47 PM

Back in the days, I would play my games on a RGB monitor, specifically the Atari SC1435, designed to be used with the ST line of computers. The picture was awesome, much better than playing on a TV. I made my own cables, and played on this monitor with Genesis, SNES, Saturn and even PSX. On the PSX, what was strange is that some games appeared worse with RGB, because the programmers were designing the games with TV displays in mind. They were deliberately arranging the pixels so it would look better on a regular TV, but that made it look worse on my RGB monitor. One game I remember that was doing that was NHL Face Off, released in 1995. But the vast majority of games looked better on RGB. Sadly, one day, the monitor died on me, after several years of loyal service. :cry:

What made me tinker with RGB was this small article that appeared on Mega Play magazine, May/June 1991 issue.

raxadian · Thursday at 3:34 PM

This is cool if you definitely want to play on real hardware but otherwise is mostly something Videogame YouTubers will use.

papesjmh6558 · Thursday at 3:38 PM

ShadowOne333 said:
Retro gaming consoles have seen a fair share of hardware modifications throughout the years, and with several advancements in technologies, previous methods of connecting those older video game consoles into a TV come at a huge loss of video quality with many players wanting to output a better quality image from their original consoles, or in some dire cases, connecting said consoles becomes entirely obsolete, as is the case with consoles from the 3rd generation (NES, SG-1000) and older, which used to connect with RF modulators to CRT TVs.

Those are just some of the reasons why many people have done an incredible amount of research into retro consoles and their hardware, to be available to create hardware modifications that would allow for a much cleaner and crisp image quality with modern televisions and equipment.

Such is the case of hardware modder who has worked extensively on such a solution for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) titled "Edge-Enhancer", where he researched the 2CHIP SNES' Digital-Analog Converter (DAC) to create the best possible output on modern TVs. Gaming YouTube channel previously showcased six months ago an earlier prototype of the "Edge-Enhancer" to incredible results.

According to Voultar, the latest prototype is now ready, with the final production prototype now built, and a retail sale of the mod itself will most likely be coming soon to although with no set date yet

Additionally, Voultar also commented on the necessity of creating a brand new sharpening mod compared to currently existing ones, citing several reasons, but to sum them up, the high-pass filters that some mods utilize don't bring a good enough sharpening to the image, the colours get modified when compared to the original output and some visual noises and distortions also being affected by the high-pass filters.

Those interested in the Edge-Enhancer mod can follow Voultar's Youtube Channel, X account or his website directly for upcoming news on when the mod will be available for purchase.

oh yeah i like it crispy

DeadSkullzJr · Thursday at 8:48 PM

This is neat, though now I want to see comparisons between all of this versus an HDMI modification. Considering I have a setup that uses both analog and digital signals, either way is useful, but an examination between everything would be beneficial.

raging_chaos · Thursday at 10:29 PM

Scriber said:
A shelf fell down.

It had all the clear signs of a meth addict breaking in.

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NinStar said:
I think I'm the only one who prefers to play SNES games with composite signal.

To me it depends on the game, fake mesh/dithered transparencies can look like shit on RGB. If a game uses dithering to simulate color shading or has a lot of color banding I prefer composite for the color blending while playing on CRT. If dithering isn't used much then I use RGB for the sharpness. For the most part I tend to stick to RGB, I bounce between signals a lot more on the Sega Genesis and Saturn.

RAHelllord · Thursday at 11:26 PM

raging_chaos said:
It had all the clear signs of a meth addict breaking in.

Apart from no actual break-in signs, nothing getting stolen, and the shelving in question having started to bend under the weight on previous streams already.
Dude probably realized that it wasn't a break and smash targeting him after reviewing some past streams and seeing those shelves just barely holding up all the hardware he stacked on them. Hopefully he's upgraded them so it won't happen again.

Zwazwajool · 2024-07-05T09:10:04+0100

I play SNES games on my RetroN 5 which already outputs crisp and clean picture because of it being emulation.

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