Wood Firmwares - Complete information guide & downloads
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No, only WoodTT works for DSTTi clones (which is your flashcard) but is really bad, both YSMenu and TwilightMenu++ are much better options.
I don't think it's necessarily bad per say. It's just a really old outdated version that's not really worth using nowadays. Which kinda retroactively makes it bad. It only updated to 1.25 (the last open source release) if I recall correctly. If you want a wood looking UI TwightMenu++ has an included wood theme now that can use original wood themes.
AP fix cheats and Wood 1.25 can still serve adequately. You might find some games that will only run on 1.62 regardless, though game compatibility on 1.62 isn't perfect either (or so I've heard. If anyone can share examples, I'd appreciate it).
I disagree. Wood 1.25 predates Wood 1.62 by 2 years, and the latter was released a decade ago. Despite the age, many still consider the latter 'current'.
In terms of source code, anything past 1.25 is essentially a dead end. So, in my opinion, we might as well get comfortable with 1.25, unless Yellow Wood Golbin decides otherwise (which would be a pleasant surprise, to say the least).
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Considering the cards that currently get recommended are things like the Ace3DS+ (which isn't actually wood 1.62 but still has far more AP patches than 1.25) or the R4DSPro (BL2CK 1.31), I find it hard to believe people are voluntarily using this inconvenient annoying old version by choice. Like literally use anything else. Flashcarts are like $5. Even TW++ which people on here like to justify using a flashcart with because it has a handful of compatibility issues is going to work far better than this. This is just masochism IMO.
I can't say about BL2CK having not tested it yet, but comparing Wood 1.25 to Ace Wood 1.62 (the kernel of Ace3DS+ and other related carts):
- The few dozen games that I've randomly tested all work with both kernels, apart from WarioWare D.I.Y. which doesn't work with either. This suggests that the compatibility patches in Ace Wood 1.62 might be no more than that of AP fix cheats.
- The normal view styles in Ace Wood 1.62 are bugged, to the extent of them not being suitable for touch use.
- The few advantages of Ace Wood 1.62 are the back ported Small Icons view, soft reset for several more titles, and pre added AP patches. And perhaps also scroll wrapping, albeit bugged.
Well, simply put -- people like progress. I pointed out the misconception of Wood 1.62 being at the forefront of which (with its inactive development and unavailable source) in my previous post.
I'm not sure what you mean by Wood 1.25 being inconvenient or annoying. Are you referring to having to find a cheat database for AP fix cheats? Perhaps you can explain.
TWiLight Menu++ (or rather nds-bootstrap) has great compatibility on 3DS/DSi, but on flashcards, it's more in the ball park of 70% (63 working titles out of 89; though according to RocketRobz, there should be room for improvement).
In comparison, Wood 1.25 was released towards the tail end of the DS lifespan, with 89% of all titles already published. Of course, that doesn't translate directly into compatibility. It's possible for the number to be higher, considering how most titles with AP measures (like Pokemon Black 2 and White 2) would work with AP fix cheats.
Number of NDS games released by year:
- 2004: 19
- 2005: 126
- 2006: 189
- 2007: 403
- 2008: 494
- 2009: 474
- 2010: 347
- 2011: 169 (of which released after Feb 24: 140)
- 2012: 73
- 2013: 24
- 2014: 7
- 2015: 1
Total games released: 2,327
Percentage released on Feb 24, 2011 and prior: 89%
Source: https://www.mobygames.com/game/platform:nintendo-ds/
- 2004: 19
- 2005: 126
- 2006: 189
- 2007: 403
- 2008: 494
- 2009: 474
- 2010: 347
- 2011: 169 (of which released after Feb 24: 140)
- 2012: 73
- 2013: 24
- 2014: 7
- 2015: 1
Total games released: 2,327
Percentage released on Feb 24, 2011 and prior: 89%
Source: https://www.mobygames.com/game/platform:nintendo-ds/
Indeed, we're all blessed with flashcarts as an abundant commodity, but whether users like Xdqwerty who already have one need another is up to their own needs. For example, if all the games that Xdqwerty wants to play already work on his r4isdhc.com 2019 cart and Wood 1.25 (or some other combination of kernels), then he'd be perfectly fine not purchasing another cart (unless he wants one, of course).
Er thanks, I guess. Even though the compatibility of AP fix cheats and Wood 1.25 is below that of YSMenu (or even Wood 1.62), its potential and the fact that it works is why I still choose it. That being said I'm curious -- what kernel do you prefer?
[Edit] Come to think of it, I'd seen a R4DS Pro fanatic recently who would've happily attested to it, but it seems that they're gone now...
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The DS didn't get any new games by 2013/14 so there simply was no need for further updates. That's why wood 1.62 is still seen as current. There might be a few very special cases of games that don't work with 1.62 but these exist for every flashcart. pretty much everything you throw at wood 1.62 will work (of course only official 1.62).
There are other aspects to Wood apart from game compatibility.
The menu of Wood has remained largely unchanged since 2007 (with the release of the Acecard R.P.G.). Contemporary devices of the time looked like this and had a vastly different UI design philosophy.
For example, the emphasis on filesystem was greater back then; it was how you managed apps and games. However, later consoles and modern phones have all but removed it from the general user experience. Touch UI was also not common back then -- more intuitive ways of interacting with devices have been developed and will likely continue to be.
That is not considering feature improvements and regressions. The soft reset feature in Wood is basic compared to the in game menus of nds-bootstrap and EOS. The tabbed header bar still uses a repurposed menu option, and the theme system could benefit from animations and sound effects.
Compare the liveliness of Wood to nds-bootstrap. The latter still receives new issues and makes releases every few weeks, with a community of users reacting to each. Development continues despite the fact that nds-bootstrap already has a high game compatibility on 3DS/DSi.
I should point out the ambiguity of my claim. 'Current' can refer to Wood 1.62 being last released version, but also to its modern relevance and active development. Wood 1.62 can be considered current in the former, while at the same time being obsolete in the latter.
Actually, I recall someone saying that YSMenu has had a perfect compatibility since 2017. Still, any findings are appreciated.
Thanks ebussy_foot and Technicmaster0 for your input.
That's because Ace Wood 1.62 is Wood 1.25 with more AP patches added. (That's why I said it wasn't actually Wood 1.62 in my previous reply.) BL2CK just works as far as I'm aware. Even Pokemon Black/White 2 and Warioware DIY launches right up on it. Doesn't seem to have any weird theming or homebrew issues too.
IDK what you mean by "like progress"? Other than TwilightMenu, none of these kernels are under active development. They either work or they don't. Also, 11% is an annoying amount of games to potentially need to AP patch. Whether that's by a cheat code or ips patch it's still annoying.
I mean sure... It's not like I'm forcing anyone to buy a new card not that I was arguing that in first place. Someone asked if Wood 1.25 was "bad" and I said "no but it's objectively worse than other kernels or newer versions of wood which makes it retroactively bad".
Could you not word salad me over a bunch of random stuff I didn't even claim? Thank you.
The purpose of my reply was to highlight that Ace Wood 1.62 introduces more disadvantages than advantages compared to Wood 1.25. I apologize if this was not clear in my initial response.
You raise a valid point. Requiring users to patch games at all is indeed cumbersome, whether using a cheat code or an external program.
It seems there might be a misunderstanding about the context. My initial response was to a different reply:
> "Like literally use anything else. Flashcarts are like $5. Even TW++ which people on here like to justify using a flashcart with because it has a handful of compatibility issues is going to work far better than this."
When I mentioned that "we're all blessed with flashcarts as an abundant commodity", I was acknowledging your point about their affordability. I apologize if this came across as confusing.
That said, I do not appreciate the assumption of me using "word salad" to confuse things, of me adding things that you didn't claim, or the ambiguity of "bunch of random stuff" which implies more things.
As our discussion isn't heading in a constructive direction, I'll leave it here. All the best.
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