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Controversial trans athlete wins women's NYC cycling race
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Yes there is:
Males have larger hearts than females.
Males have bigger lungs than females.
Males have less body fat compared to females.
Males have different skeletons and a different centre of gravity.
Males have a greater brain volume compared to women (between 10-15%) - most likely why men are better at chess, inventing stuff and creating things etc.
Men sweat signifcatly more and therefore can stay cooler than women during endurance activities.
It's already known that males' upper bodies, on average, have 75% more muscle mass and 90% more strength than females.
That's just off the top of my head, also there's the vast chemical differences between men and women.
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Does this MrDude guy ever stop being a transphobic piece of shit? 
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Trans women are not real women. I don't think they should be playing in female sports.
“The science” actually finds that transwomen maintain a competitive advantage after two years of hormone therapy, which is one year longer than specified in the IOC guidelines. On average, they’re 12% faster than their peers.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...tment-period-for-trans-women-may-be-too-short
There are also things HRT can never change - males and females have differently shaped pelvises which leads to a difference in how their legs are angled (in females an S-curve and pelvic tilt is developed during puberty). As a result, males and females have a different center of gravity. A female’s center of mass is lower and the pelvis is wider, allowing for better balance. A male’s center of mass is higher up, allowing for putting more force forward. That’s one of many differences that are unavoidable unless puberty was blocked *or* the transitioning process began before any puberty-related changes.
The notion that hormone therapy erases biological differences developed from childhood into adulthood has very little basis in fact. Even after the required one year of treatment, overall muscle mass drops only by 5% and the athlete retains musculoskeletal advantages. That’s not me saying it, that’s “the science”.
There’s certainly a lot to discuss here, but to use a blanket statement that transitioners don’t have a competitive advantage in certain disciplines doesn’t seem appropriate. We don’t even have a sizeable enough cohort of trans athletes to properly measure that.
Fortunately I don’t care enough about professional sports to have an opinion on the matter. It’s all hobbies turned into spectacles. What I will say is that the potential erasure of sex-based division in sports that you seem to be suggesting would effectively lead to the erasure of women from nearly all professional sports.
This begs the question... If men can win at women's sports, and women can win at men's sports, why do they need to be segregated to begin with? Sounds like it evens out to me.
Side note, the thread’s title has been changed to a more neutral and fact-based one, in accordance to our thread title policy linked below:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/announcement-concerning-thread-titles.589800/
https://gbatemp.net/threads/announcement-concerning-thread-titles.589800/
There are much worse things than body mods to doom and gloom over.
Intersex.
Yeah, people flashing other people is whole different issue.
The video goes into detail on that and mentions that body fat normalizes within two years and bone density within about 5 years, though both of those are rough estimates and ultimately depend on the person. The differently angled pelvis matters for about two sports types, and the other differences in bone structures have no real impact on performance once you compare athletes of both sexes of the same height with each other.
The old guideline of only one year hrt being required does appear to be too short, but an outright ban is silly on what existing studies suggest on the matter.
I also did not suggest an erasure of gender based categories, I suggested that a sufficiently long transitioning period will erase almost all differences that matter between the sexes for almost all types of sports, and that if competitions want to be fair they should also start having brackets based on height and weight similar to boxing, as a person's height will have a much bigger impact on athletic performance over all than anything else.
Or in other words man and woman's categories are fine, allowing transitioned individuals into those categories is also fine once they have been sufficiently long on hrt to normalize the differences that actually matter for the specific sport type, like body fat distribution and body fat to muscle ratio.
And if actual fairness is the goal additionally implement height or weight categories as for many types of sports that is a bigger deciding factor than training or technique.
I'd say the reason could be numbers. It took forever for many sports to acknoledge female participation and even today women are still misrepresented as referees or couches. Now you need to think that women represent more or less half of the human population while transgender people don't amount to a 3%. And, of course, not all of them are interested in sports. If the question was rethoric, I apologize.
Depends on the woman, some look mighty comfortable, others are a little too bony to sit on.
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
In fact, the trend seems to point out the sports administration want to set mandatory hormonal test for transwomen to stop this unfair advantange. Despite that, I doubt all controversy would cease just because they look into it more seriosly. At the end of the day, getting results is the only way for a professional athlete to keep his/her way of living and as soon as a transwoman would win, people would be upset. I'm also surprised of the vitriol many users have been pouring over all transgender people just because of some of them. It's like they are judging the whole buch just taking the worst part of the demographic.
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I Stand for My LGB T QIA+ Family. Just leave Us alone I say.
This is apart of what I fought for in wars. Your Rights TO BE in this Free World. Even in yours.
This is apart of what I fought for in wars. Your Rights TO BE in this Free World. Even in yours.
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If trans women are real women, and trans men are real men, why can't real women and real men have opinions if we're equal?
Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?
Or like, its based on convenience or something?
Anyway, trans has been baned from women's sports for now already, so I guess baddie cis persons... uhh... wins this time?
Edit: I'm also a lesbian. So I'm entitled to my opinion. Not fucking around neither, since I've been identifying as a lesbian for quite some time now. Actually since 2012, when I was 17 I realized I liked women. I've been liking women since I was in kindergarten but I wasn't sure back then.
Find my 2021 messages of me saying "I'm a lesbian".
Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose?
Or like, its based on convenience or something?
Anyway, trans has been baned from women's sports for now already, so I guess baddie cis persons... uhh... wins this time?
Edit: I'm also a lesbian. So I'm entitled to my opinion. Not fucking around neither, since I've been identifying as a lesbian for quite some time now. Actually since 2012, when I was 17 I realized I liked women. I've been liking women since I was in kindergarten but I wasn't sure back then.
Find my 2021 messages of me saying "I'm a lesbian".
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That one case where a trans woman broke the orbit of a cis woman? A common injury in this kind of event? That there's more cases of cis woman breaking another cis woman's skull than what you're claiming?
Well, yes, but can't that happen in the already existing binary categories?
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Ladies and gentlemen, Biology expert, mrdude. What a genius! LMAO
Alright imma just lurk this thread for now on, my braincells are rotting by reading this kind of shit.
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It was taking quite a while for them to associate trans people with pedophilia...
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If trans women have no physical advantage over biological women, then why do they dominate women's sports? Listen, as a guy, I am admittedly out of shape. I'm a smoker, I dont exercise like I should, I have almost no cardio, but I guarantee I could beat the shit out of ten average women at the same time. If someone like Chuck Liddell transitioned, you think women's ufc would be fair or safe? Especially in a sport with heightened testosterone? No, he'd just be out there beating women to a pulp.
I fully support the right of people to be whoever they want to be, dont get me wrong. However, we have standards for a reason. Sports are separated by gender for reasons of fairness and safety. They should either be separated by biological gender or not separated at all. But some expect them to be separated by gender, then have special exceptions for a handful. Thats not right.
I fully support the right of people to be whoever they want to be, dont get me wrong. However, we have standards for a reason. Sports are separated by gender for reasons of fairness and safety. They should either be separated by biological gender or not separated at all. But some expect them to be separated by gender, then have special exceptions for a handful. Thats not right.
I will quote a person who made the perfect comment about this fight.
Those who have them know exactly what it means. I have serious doubts whether they can just “go away”, measurements of grip strength certainly point to the contrary.
So are we just saying that there all the same? and that the category were all BS and they are all the same biology?
What a take to read.
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