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Down with both Rep and Dem

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I'm tired both dem and rep both don't give a damn about people and freedoms.

They both will do anything to get reelected and make that $ from extortion off Corp.

I honestly am tired of these asshole fighting a fake fit to make average person to back them no matter what they do.

I have lived threw a lot of crap by both but since 2020 both parties are using aggression to get more corp $ or to back reelection.

Why are we devided because we think only one side is correct.

Please think really since COVID both sides have manipulated us. (Backing is $). So I an old fuck say hell no to both

Are we really sheep.

Are we going to let a Rich people decide what we think.

Are we really devided. I think not I personally don't like dem or rep both are willing to sacrifice the common people to get more backing.

Give please honest though before posting.
Not a this lr or rl post what really is people not please a mind set but open thinking.
 
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I would certainly agree that if you think either party has your interests as much as the next (big) election and maybe some forward thinking types within it the one after it as well, maybe with a bit of a taste for power on the side, then you are naive beyond what is reasonable to be, possibly more naive to the real world than the career politicians and business wonks that make up the main choices for them*.
But it is a two party system, mathematically reinforced (first past the post will always trend to two parties) and probably psychologically so as well, so what are you going to do? Vote for a third party at best is meaningless and at worst spoils the ones you might tolerate more (see many things where libertarians get enough percent to skew it the other way entirely which is fine in some ways).
Good luck getting a reformed system of voting in play without a seismic shift (civil war type deal). Reform from within rams into the psychological thing and probably mathematical as well, to say nothing of it not going the way you care for (in US terms the democrat reformation movement seems to hinge mostly on the democratic socialist/social democrat which contains more than a few wack a loons where 90s, possibly also in their 90s, corporate democrats you might at least be able to play along with), and the republicans are losing evangelicals of the 90s and going for the MAGA side of things which others, or perhaps the undecided centrists, might find equally unpalatable).

*career politicos and business wonks along with lawyers that might as well be a mix of the two are the main ones to have the tools, time and drive to deal with politics at high level. Your average autist scientist or salt of the earth type that worked up to management and believes the "serving the people" line is going to lose hard when encountering those that play office politics at high level even if they might actually do a decent job if put somewhere that aligns with interest (and somehow it was a vacuum rather than somewhere where it is almost a zero sum game for funding or allowances -- balance the hippies against the need for an oil pipeline and the oil pipeline built by a guy that runs drainage for a farm company can probably have it on time, under budget and exceeding standards, but the hippy lobby throws a snake in the grass, or maybe just a honeytrap, and all bets are off).

The two "good" outcomes then being enough people sit out that those that might not be a part of the turnout can make things extra spicy (I do like a bit of chaos) if the right candidate squeaks in onto the ballot. Both US parties suffer this somewhat at times (primarying and all the fun there for example) but not to any serious degree (see incumbency rates, possibly contrast to approval and approval within party). There is also a lesser version where something acts as a protest vote so to appease those that will choose to spoil in an otherwise close race they throw a bone one way or another -- the UK leaving the EU referendum was said to be this, though executed by either the malicious or the incompetent.
Things get a lot more local. Unlikely to be anything real while the federal government and supreme court holds the powers they do, and purse strings as well (every city built in the post war US suburban style is pretty much bankruptcy waiting to happen and only the federal government has the juice to do anything there). The immediate lurches that would likely come as a part of that would also be quite the sight to behold if nothing else. That said much has been made of local elections for school boards, attorney generals, state senators, governors, police chiefs, bit of lawfare and whatever else and goes for "both sides".
 
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I would certainly agree that if you think either party has your interests as much as the next (big) election and maybe some forward thinking types within it the one after it as well, maybe with a bit of a taste for power on the side, then you are naive beyond what is reasonable to be, possibly more naive to the real world than the career politicians and business wonks that make up the main choices for them*.
But it is a two party system, mathematically reinforced (first past the post will always trend to two parties) and probably psychologically so as well, so what are you going to do? Vote for a third party at best is meaningless and at worst spoils the ones you might tolerate more (see many things where libertarians get enough percent to skew it the other way entirely which is fine in some ways).
Good luck getting a reformed system of voting in play without a seismic shift (civil war type deal). Reform from within rams into the psychological thing and probably mathematical as well, to say nothing of it not going the way you care for (in US terms the democrat reformation movement seems to hinge mostly on the democratic socialist/social democrat which contains more than a few wack a loons where 90s, possibly also in their 90s, corporate democrats you might at least be able to play along with), and the republicans are losing evangelicals of the 90s and going for the MAGA side of things which others, or perhaps the undecided centrists, might find equally unpalatable).

*career politicos and business wonks along with lawyers that might as well be a mix of the two are the main ones to have the tools, time and drive to deal with politics at high level. Your average autist scientist or salt of the earth type that worked up to management and believes the "serving the people" line is going to lose hard when encountering those that play office politics at high level even if they might actually do a decent job if put somewhere that aligns with interest (and somehow it was a vacuum rather than somewhere where it is almost a zero sum game for funding or allowances -- balance the hippies against the need for an oil pipeline and the oil pipeline built by a guy that runs drainage for a farm company can probably have it on time, under budget and exceeding standards, but the hippy lobby throws a snake in the grass, or maybe just a honeytrap, and all bets are off).

The two "good" outcomes then being enough people sit out that those that might not be a part of the turnout can make things extra spicy (I do like a bit of chaos) if the right candidate squeaks in onto the ballot. Both US parties suffer this somewhat at times (primarying and all the fun there for example) but not to any serious degree (see incumbency rates, possibly contrast to approval and approval within party). There is also a lesser version where something acts as a protest vote so to appease those that will choose to spoil in an otherwise close race they throw a bone one way or another -- the UK leaving the EU referendum was said to be this, though executed by either the malicious or the incompetent.
Things get a lot more local. Unlikely to be anything real while the federal government and supreme court holds the powers they do, and purse strings as well (every city built in the post war US suburban style is pretty much bankruptcy waiting to happen and only the federal government has the juice to do anything there). The immediate lurches that would likely come as a part of that would also be quite the sight to behold if nothing else. That said much has been made of local elections for school boards, attorney generals, state senators, governors, police chiefs, bit of lawfare and whatever else and goes for "both sides".
So short we the people are futa. Yeah you understand what I said thanks. No fix without a lot of people finally awake jk. Or civil war. This is a bad problem who owns the military arms. Do we really have to go century ago to come to agree. Force of arms always has force back. To tell the truth I will side with the side that is attacked. We think we are human! We inlast few years have proved it is not so.
 

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Are we going to let a Rich people decide what we think.
Obviously yes. Capitalism has to keep us at each other's throats, lest we turn our glare to the billionaire ruling class which has stolen the future for several generations now. At the very heart of the problem is the fact that some people would rather worship the hand that feeds, even if it doles out only table scraps. Otherwise America would've had its own French-style revolution occur by now, if not several of them.
 

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Obviously yes. Capitalism has to keep us at each other's throats, lest we turn our glare to the billionaire ruling class which has stolen the future for several generations now. At the very heart of the problem is the fact that some people would rather worship the hand that feeds, even if it doles out only table scraps. Otherwise America would've had its own French-style revolution occur by now, if not several of them.
I think you understand both R D Left Right are both out to regress the common people. I have read both the indic fo R and D not so different really just suppression of Major the people without.
 

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The "elite" here in the US use the two party system to keep us fighting each other. And judging by the back and forth on this site alone, they are very successful at pitting us against each other. Further divisions are created based on race, income, gender, sexuality to keep us fighting more and more. And while we are fighting each other, we are ignoring their crimes against humanity.

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The "elite" here in the US use the two party system to keep us fighting each other. And judging by the back and forth on this site alone, they are very successful at pitting us against each other. Further divisions are created based on race, income, gender, sexuality to keep us fighting more and more. And while we are fighting each other, we are ignoring their crimes against humanity.

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Omg even you. Thank you. I thought if anyone would disagree with me it would you be you.
 
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I think you understand both R D Left Right are both out to regress the common people. I have read both the indic fo R and D not so different really just suppression of Major the people without.
Leftists are first and foremost anti-capitalists and against the hoarding of wealth to the detriment of others. That's also the reason that neither political party in the US is representative of us. Republicans have drifted far right, and on a good day the Democratic party is center-right. Conservatives worship billionaires like Trump and Musk, and a lot of liberals have only positive things to say about Buffett and Gates.
 

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Leftists are first and foremost anti-capitalists and against the hoarding of wealth to the detriment of others. That's also the reason that neither political party in the US is representative of us. Republicans have drifted far right, and on a good day the Democratic party is center-right.
Do you think it's fair that if my family was mil or bil. I should represent the thought of people. My opinion is no. I truly respect your opinion though.

Fyi for ever one m or b there's 1 m or even b not in that class. So what would happen if they decided to. I don't know force the issue. Would they really win. I don't think so. Just my opinion.
 

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Not a North thread, damn, I'd lose a bet if I had put money down. :P

But yeah, I agree. Ds and Rs are not good, it should be autonomous although this happens across pretty much every Western country where it's Left and Right, and maybe a Center one.. it doesn't really matter too much since things hardly change (for the better).
 

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Not a North thread, damn, I'd lose a bet if I had put money down. :P

But yeah, I agree. Ds and Rs are not good, it should be autonomous although this happens across pretty much every Western country where it's Left and Right, and maybe a Center one.. it doesn't really matter too much since things hardly change (for the better).
Only people tired of both parties will ever truly change this. Yeah I know unlikely.
 

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Do you think it's fair that if my family was mil or bil. I should represent the thought of people. My opinion is no. I truly respect your opinion though.
On an individual level it's absolutely possible to be born rich and decide to do something positive with your wealth/power instead of just trying to further insulate yourself away from the masses. It's an uphill struggle to say the least, however, as the damage has largely already been done, the system of inequality has established itself over decades. There's a reason America's infrastructure is perpetually stuck in the 1980s.

Fyi for ever one m or b there's 1 m or even b not in that class. So what would happen if they decided to. I don't know force the issue. Would they really win. I don't think so. Just my opinion.
The plot to Antz I believe lol, or was it A Bug's Life? Regardless, no, the ruling class would not win that fight, which is why they have to keep as many workers as possible wrapped up in a cycle of fear, hatred, and ignorance.
 

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On an individual level it's absolutely possible to be born rich and decide to do something positive with your wealth/power instead of just trying to further insulate yourself away from the masses. It's an uphill struggle to say the least, however, as the damage has largely already been done, the system of inequality has established itself over decades. There's a reason America's infrastructure is perpetually stuck in the 1980s.


The plot to Antz I believe lol, or was it A Bug's Life? Regardless, no, the ruling class would not win that fight, which is why they have to keep as many workers as possible wrapped up in a cycle of fear, hatred, and ignorance.
I have that in 90's was a million friend even though I am at best at 10k person. O I understand both sides. Once because I am an a hw sevant I could have been in the 90's Hired for 500 k a week by IBM. If'd this up by being married and well deviced in that time. FYI I understand code for some reason I don't understand just like HW.

I will complete this bug code=bug life.😋
 
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Welcome to the party, OP.

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Are you brainstorming real solutions or are you complaining, real solutions require real work, real money, convincing real numbers to rally to your side.
I am not running from a setting. Just my opinion.
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Are you brainstorming real solutions or are you complaining, real solutions require real work, real money, convincing real numbers to rally to your side.
But if you consider my opinion good a like is appropriate.😆
 

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Omg even you. Thank you. I thought if anyone would disagree with me it would you be you.
I'd be willing to bet we agree on much more.

The days of the "elite" using the fake news and social media to divide us is coming to an end. Us uniting is their biggest nightmare.
 

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I'd be willing to bet we agree on much more.

The days of the "elite" using the fake news and social media to divide us is coming to an end. Us uniting is their biggest nightmare.
But I don't think left or right is consusive. I'm sure as life both sides are tired of this shit. Sorry about my clochinion. Tery P. ref.🤣
 

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