Covid-19 vaccine

[tabzer]

So I should trust the guy who believes the election was rigged based the source of personal faith for his opinion on vaccines? Provide actual proof, actual evidence, or are you going to continue to pretend you are anything other than a conspiracy believing nutjob?
I do want to add that I am saying all anti-vaxxors are dangerous idiots. Vaccines work, history provides plenty of evidence that vaccines work. The fact that we aren’t dying from diseases that were once widespread is evidence that vaccines work. To deny the reality and believe conspiracies about vaccines is dangerous and stupid.

I'm not asking you to believe me. It's stupid to insinuate that believing people on the internet is how we should make decisions.

If you want to use lack of data as a "proof" then that's on you. To present the vaccine as being risk-free is unethical. To suggest that the non-vaccinated are the cause of your issues is propaganda.

If you trust the agencies, then ok. Can you inform me where the agencies recommend people like you should coerce, manipulate, and bully others into being vaccinated?

You make the argument that correlation is evidence of cause, but would easily buy into the narrative that correlation is not evidence of cause when the result doesn't suit the interest of the providers.

 

[The Catboy]

I'm not asking you to believe me. It's stupid to insinuate that believing people on the internet is how we should make decisions.

If you want to use lack of data as a "proof" then that's on you. To present the vaccine as being risk-free is unethical. To suggest that the non-vaccinated are the cause of your issues is propaganda.

If you trust the agencies, then ok. Can you inform me where the agencies recommend people like you should coerce, manipulate, and bully others into being vaccinated?

I didn’t say vaccines were risk-free but the actual risks are so minimum that it’s not worth the time to panic over them. Those who are at risk when it comes to vaccines are those suffering from extremely serious medical conditions and also those who benefit from others around them getting vaccinated.
Unvaccinated individuals are dangerous as they continue to spread preventable diseases. Vaccines are not 100% effective, this is why it’s important to vaccinate if you can. Choosing against vaccinations puts yourself at risk of both getting infected and spreading the virus.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-d..._27b8tnq71lJ0FFckxrh5qbHKPbh7NoaApG-EALw_wcB#
https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html

You are the one required to provide proof and sources to your claims. Why is it that those against vaccines continue to shift the burden of responsibility? Are your sources really so trash that you aren’t comfortable sharing them? Because it seems like the anti-vaccines side is pretty uncomfortable with sharing peer-reviewed research backed by professionals.
Have you considered that maybe you’re wrong and that’s why people are on you about this shit? That maybe you are spreading dangerous misinformation against proven medical research? Maybe it’s your fault for people “bullying you?” Because it is, you are the one at fault for all for this. Provide sources or get called out.

 

[SG854]

Blame the un-vaxxed for your "vaccination" not working. Why don't you demand a better solution (cure)? Obviously the government has enough power to push it if getting a vaccine that gains pharmaceutical companies trillions in revenue was so easy.

This is beyond stupid. You don't just wish for a cure and it happens. We don't have a cure. That's why we have to rely on the next best thing which is vaccines. Which is close to a cure if everyone gets vaxxed. We've eradicated viruses before just on vaccines.


This is so dumb. Blame the unvaxxed that the vaccine is not working? It's the people who are not vaccinated that are mostly spreading virus. How is the vaccine failing to work if they don't even have the vaccine in them to begin with?

 

[tabzer]

You are the one required to provide proof and sources to your claims.

What claims have I made that you are disputing? We have evidence and facts. How you interpret those facts is up to you. It's a fact that not getting a vaccine doesn't cause Covid-19. If vaccines work, then you should be happy. You want to be angry and hateful because why? You target people who aren't involved to with your political medicine.

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This is beyond stupid. You don't just wish for a cure and it happens. We don't have a cure. That's why we have to rely on the next best thing which is vaccines. Which is close to a cure if everyone gets vaxxed. We've eradicated viruses before just on vaccines.


This is so dumb. Blame the unvaxxed that the vaccine is not working? It's the people who are not vaccinated that are mostly spreading virus. How is the vaccine failing to work if they don't even have the vaccine in them to begin with?

You don't pay pharmaceutical companies trillions of dollars for 70+ years and assume that a cure which would end their business model is in everybody's interest.

 

[The Catboy]

What claims have I made that you are disputing? We have evidence and facts. How you interpret those facts is up to you. It's a fact that not getting a vaccine doesn't cause Covid-19. If vaccines work, then you should be happy. You want to be angry and hateful because why? You target people who aren't involved to with your political medicine.

Literally in this post you have stated that you have “evidence and facts,” so provide them. Why can you never provide proper evidence for any of your claims? This isn’t the first thread that you’ve tried to pull this shit on. Prove why unvaccinated people aren’t the problem, show evidence that they aren’t an issue. Provide a proper source of medical professionals being skeptical of vaccines. Provide sources from medical professionals for any of your claims, period. Literally every single time you are asked to provide evidence, you fail to do so. It seems like your evidence is completely made up and your posts should be criticized until actual evidence is provided.

 

[silien3]

This is beyond stupid. You don't just wish for a cure and it happens. We don't have a cure. That's why we have to rely on the next best thing which is vaccines. Which is close to a cure if everyone gets vaxxed. We've eradicated viruses before just on vaccines.


This is so dumb. Blame the unvaxxed that the vaccine is not working? It's the people who are not vaccinated that are mostly spreading virus. How is the vaccine failing to work if they don't even have the vaccine in them to begin with?

vaccinate it has always been said to be for prevention and not 100 percent reliable but you can still get it the virus and spread it without having the symptoms moreover no virus or disease is removed with a vaccine it is always there in nature somewhere but trying to blame the anti covid vaccine is the only thing you want here at least its what i understand
your lie afterwards is there we still have the grip, the rabies, the thetanus and there are vaccines must stop the lies to overwhelm those who do not want to be subjects of experience a real vaccine takes time for years not on 1 month or 2
They even affirm it in this French article that we are subject of phase 3 experience in subtle ways
https://www.letemps.ch/sciences/cla...logue-normal-gens-se-posent-questions-vaccins

a real vaccine is supposed to help the immune system against the disease not prevent disease and more the vaccine will have to be redone afterwards
we do not treat ourselves if we have nothing must stop destroying the immune system in the end we will be vulnerable to all by doing her in the long run and moreover I would like to point out that with the covid vaccine even with side effects linked to the vaccine the laboratory and bigpharma are not responsible

how can we trust those whose money is valued more than people's lives

you blame people but you ignore what is blocking them its can even be a disease already in the body for life which will block any covid vaccine because risk too great much or who knows what else but you do not care you love to spread hate nothing more without knowing why and how

sorry my english i m use google translate

 

[Lacius]

a real vaccine is supposed to help the immune system against the disease not prevent disease

The purpose of a vaccine is to provide immunity against a disease, not to treat a disease.

 

[silien3]

The purpose of a vaccine is to provide immunity against a disease, not to treat a disease.

I did not want to say to treat but fight

I must undoubtedly make myself misunderstand on points not very good in English sorry

 

[tabzer]

Why can you never provide proper evidence for any of your claims?

Again, which claim are you disputing?

Prove why unvaccinated people aren’t the problem, show evidence that they aren’t an issue.

It is based on the fact that Covid-19 is the problem. If the vaccine works, it works. Saying it works and then saying it's conditional and that the conditions are not being met is just flip-flopping conjecture.

Can you inform me where the agencies recommend people like you should coerce, manipulate, and bully others into being vaccinated?

 

[Lacius]

Again, which claim are you disputing?



It is based on the fact that Covid-19 is the problem. If the vaccine works, it works. Saying it works and then saying it's conditional and that the conditions are not being met is just flip-flopping conjecture.

It's disingenuous (or an utter lack of understanding on your part) to suggest that anybody here is arguing that not getting vaccinated directly causes COVID-19 infections. However, unvaccinated people are significantly more likely than their vaccinated counterparts to contract the disease, suffer severe symptoms due to the disease, die from the disease, and spread the disease.

It is not "flip flopping conjecture" to acknowledge how herd immunity works and how willfully unvaccinated people are keeping us from it.

Again, which claim are you disputing?



It is based on the fact that Covid-19 is the problem. If the vaccine works, it works. Saying it works and then saying it's conditional and that the conditions are not being met is just flip-flopping conjecture.

Can you inform me where the agencies recommend people like you should coerce, manipulate, and bully others into being vaccinated?

It is not manipulation nor bullying to acknowledge that the COVID-19 vaccines are very safe, highly effective, and highly recommended. It is not manipulation nor bullying to acknowledge the moral imperative there is to get vaccinated.

 

[SG854]

Again, which claim are you disputing?



It is based on the fact that Covid-19 is the problem. If the vaccine works, it works. Saying it works and then saying it's conditional and that the conditions are not being met is just flip-flopping conjecture

Didn't I already address this? It works on people who use it.

How do you not get that the virus is being contracted by people who aren't vaccinated and they are spreading it to other people who aren't vaccinated. And the virus is mostly being kept alive within the unvacinated population.


You talk about that the pharmaceutical companies don't want to come out with a cure because it will stop the steady stream of money from coming in every year from all the profit they make from vaccines, which you have no evidence of and is just a conspiracy theory.



But if that was true it's you people refusing to get the vaccine that is keeping the virus in circulation for much longer. You unvacinated people are preventing herd imunity and you are keeping the virus alive much longer and you are helping the greedy corporations making as much profit as they can for as long as they can. You are the thing that you are criticizing.

 

[The Catboy]

Again, which claim are you disputing?



It is based on the fact that Covid-19 is the problem. If the vaccine works, it works. Saying it works and then saying it's conditional and that the conditions are not being met is just flip-flopping conjecture.

Can you inform me where the agencies recommend people like you should coerce, manipulate, and bully others into being vaccinated?

You aren’t being bullied for by getting called out in your dangerous beliefs. I already addressed the areas specifically needing sources, you’ve been deliberately avoiding those requests the entire time. The only thing you’ve proven is that you don’t have any sources, your arguments are garbage, and you deserve to have your ideas criticized in the hopes they stop spreading. You are spreading dangerous misinformation, fuck you and fuck anyone you thinks like you.

 

[tabzer]

It's disingenuous (or an utter lack of understanding on your part) to suggest that anybody here is arguing that not getting vaccinated directly causes COVID-19 infections.

I don't know Lacius. It seems like people are getting pretty mad.

It is not "flip flopping conjecture" to acknowledge how herd immunity works and how willfully unvaccinated people are keeping us from it.

If the vaccine doesn't work because herd immunity isn't being reached, then it's not a real vaccination. Ideals vs reality.

It is not manipulation nor bullying to acknowledge that the COVID-19 vaccines are very safe, highly effective, and highly recommended. It is not manipulation nor bullying to acknowledge the moral imperative there is to get vaccinated.

No Lacius. It's not a moral imperative. If the vaccine was all of those things, there'd be no need to push it or bribe people to get it.

 

[The Catboy]

I don't know Lacius. It seems like people are getting pretty mad.



If the vaccine doesn't work because herd immunity isn't being reached, then it's not a real vaccination. Ideals vs reality.



No Lacius. It's not a moral imperative. If the vaccine was all of those things, there'd be no need to push it or bribe people to get it.

Getting mad at you for spreading dangerous misinformation does not invalidate the fact that you don’t have evidence for your claims. Provide some sources to your posts, any of them. Provide a source countering herd immunity. Provide a source that unvaccinated people aren’t a danger to their community. Provide sources, back up you claims for once. Or are just going to just keep shifting the burden of proof and pleading ignorance when people call you out on your shit?

 

[ChubSwagLad]

I'm still not getting it because I personally don't trust it.

 

[tabzer]

Getting mad at you for spreading dangerous misinformation does not invalidate the fact that you don’t have evidence for your claims. Provide some sources to your posts, any of them. Provide a source countering herd immunity. Provide a source that unvaccinated people aren’t a danger to their community. Provide sources, back up you claims for once. Or are just going to just keep shifting the burden of proof and pleading ignorance when people call you out on your shit?

What dangerous misinformation am I spreading? You wanna riddle more profanity at me to convince me that you aren't being pushy and irrational?

I'm still not getting it because I personally don't trust it.

And that is your right as well as your moral imperative.

 

[Deleted member 535703]

I love how all of you anti-vaxxers don't know when to stop. You're like far right Republicans with trucks at an intersection.

 

[tabzer]

Provide a source countering herd immunity.

I never made the argument that herd immunity is not a thing.

Provide a source that unvaccinated people aren’t a danger to their community.

The assumption that they are is the problem. It's not any of your business if people are vaccinated or not.

 

[Deleted member 535703]

I never made the argument that herd immunity is not a thing.



The assumption that they are is the problem. It's not any of your business if people are vaccinated or not.

It's, er, everyone's business m'lad. My dad has no left lung function, so if some arsehole isn't vaccinated and/or has COVID, they pose a danger to him and the rest of my family with genetic lung disease. Once again, please stop with this blasphemous anti-vaccination stuff you human equivalent of a participation award when there is science behind every last needle.

 

[tabzer]

It's, er, everyone's business m'lad

Nope.

And it's none of my business that your dad has a disease.

I've already presented Japan's history with vaccines having ridiculous results with approved vaccines. It's not anti-science to acknowledge the failure of institutions.