Homebrew NTRView - Stream your 3DS on your Wii U

[Steah]

Okay, sorry for my missinterpreting of the situation any many thanks for the detailes explaination.

Thanks to you, really, you are helping me in something I really wanted to accmplish and had no clue to what I have been doing wrong... I didn't know who could have helped me and many thanks to you trying to do so...

Some routers do weird stuff when not connected to the internet. Most of the time it's just a settings, so when you look for firewall settings also have an eye for anything labeled like "don't rely on WAN", "local DHCP without WAN" or anything sounding even remotely like that (but make a backup of the router settings before playing with such options).

Ok as long as I manage to enter the router config page I should be able to find this kind of option, of course the router should have the option to reset to default values in case something goes wrong... But first task: enter the router via browser even if it's not the main router with internet...

Is your routers DHCP server even configured to handle out 192.168.1 with 255.255.255.0 netmask or was that a wrong DHCP attempt, too?

This is something vaguey obscure to me, is there also here an option inside to check and adjust it? What is the configuration parameter referring to handle 198.168 type IPs?

For debugging purposes it might be a good idea to connect the PC to the isolated network (but not to the PCs main network where it gets internet access from as Windows PCs are... Well... Not really good az handling multiple connections). Why this might be a good idea? Well, you could for example check if Wii U and 3DS are pingable or if the whole LAN is f*cked up. Also you're able to check for problems way more simple (like what I said before: Output of ipconfig. There are way more things to check that way, like routing tables and stuff... But one step after the other, right?)

Ok I will try to connect the PC to that LAN to make some test, even losing internet for a while I could check if the LAN works, I assumed it did since 3DS and Wii U received response and an IP but I actually don't know... I don't know how to make a ping test on a device sharing the network but I could easily find out how to probably...

I will post some test results after I will be back online after the tests...

No, no and no. This is not the time to think about improving performane. You can't tune something that doesn't work at all...

I was planning ahead, I know that even when it will eventually work it may be not perfectly fluid, so I could try improvements and I'm trusty that we will somehow manage to make it work!

 

[V10lator]

What is the configuration parameter referring to handle 198.168 type IPs?

That hardly depends on the router. Some don't even let you configure that or hide it behind the routers IP config (set another IP for the route, like 10.0.0.1 to let it handle out 10.0.0.* adresses).

I don't know how to make a ping test on a device sharing the network but I could easily find out how to probably...

press the windows key, type in cmd, press enter, in the cmd window type "ping 192.168.178.25" where 192.168.178.25 is the IP of the target (so replace it with 3DS or Wii U IP).

 

[Steah]

That hardly depends on the router. Some don't even let you configure that or hide it behind the routers IP config (set another IP for the route, like 10.0.0.1 to let it handle out 10.0.0.* adresses).


press the windows key, type in cmd, press enter, in the cmd window type "ping 192.168.178.25" where 192.168.178.25 is the IP of the target (so replace it with 3DS or Wii U IP).

These are the stats of my router, I took them from Windows settings and the ping tries to call the 3DS failed, also I still didn't manage to access the internal router config page...

SSID: NETGEAR65
Protocol: Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n)
Security: WPA2-Personal
Band: 2,4 GHz
Channel: 1
Local Address IPv6: fe80::79d8:5f04:30b7:f33a%7
Address IPv4: 192.168.0.4
Server DNS IPv4: 192.168.0.1
Producer: Netgear Inc.
Description: NETGEAR WNA1100 N150 Wireless USB Adapter
Driver version: 10.0.0.28
Physical Address (MAC): 44-94-FC-FD-EB-BB


The thing to do now is entering the router config page where I should find everything... If I try to connect to 192.168.0.1 that I assume is the router address it says connection timeout after a while...

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That hardly depends on the router. Some don't even let you configure that or hide it behind the routers IP config (set another IP for the route, like 10.0.0.1 to let it handle out 10.0.0.* adresses).


press the windows key, type in cmd, press enter, in the cmd window type "ping 192.168.178.25" where 192.168.178.25 is the IP of the target (so replace it with 3DS or Wii U IP).

Actually, with the other LAN router even when the PC is connected to it, the Defaul Gateway gives no IP at all under ipconfg...

 

[V10lator]

I don't get this stats, is 192.168.0.4 the IP of your PC while connected to the router or the routers IP? Also could you tell me what router this is?

Untill we have answers to this questions I'm going to assume the addy of the router is 192.168.0.1 (as this is the DNS server addy), too.

No default gateway is bad but without internet we also don't need a gateway (correct routing tables are more important for your usecase but I have no idea how to check them on windows). You could try a 30-30-30 reset: https://forum.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Hard_reset_or_30/30/30 (while this is for dd-wrt it works on many other routers, too, just read the warnings and don't try "Hard Reset on ARM and other newer routers" nor "Erasing NVRAM"). If that doesn't work we'll have to look into the routers manual about how to do a hard reset (that's why I asked for the model).

Also are you able to ping 192.168.0.1 (this isn't a good test through as some routers aren't pingable for false security reasons) ?

 

[Steah]

I don't get this stats, is 192.168.0.4 the IP of your PC while connected to the router or the routers IP? Also could you tell me what router this is?

Netgear N300

I think it's the IP assigned to my PC by the Router but I'm not totaly sure of it...

Untill we have answers to this questions I'm going to assume the addy of the router is 192.168.0.1 (as this is the DNS server addy), too.

That was my guess as well but it doesn't enter the config page with that IP in the Browser...

No default gateway is bad but without internet we also don't need a gateway (correct routing tables are more important for your usecase but I have no idea how to check them on windows). You could try a 30-30-30 reset: https://forum.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Hard_reset_or_30/30/30 (while this is for dd-wrt it works on many other routers, too, just read the warnings and don't try "Hard Reset on ARM and other newer routers" nor "Erasing NVRAM"). If that doesn't work we'll have to look into the routers manual about how to do a hard reset (that's why I asked for the model).

I could check what is the procedure for its hard reset and in any case the model is Netgear N300...

Also are you able to ping 192.168.0.1 (this isn't a good test through as some routers aren't pingable for false security reasons) ?

It can't ping it, it says no data sent...

 

[V10lator]

I think it's the IP assigned to my PC by the Router but I'm not totaly sure of it...

ipconfig should help here...

That was my guess as well but it doesn't enter the config page with that IP in the Browser...

I really guess this router is hardly missconfigured.

Netgear N300

There seems to be more than one router with this name. Currently looking into the manual of N300 Wireless Router WNR2000v4, assuming this is the right one. It says it's important to start the modem before the router which might mean it doesn't work without a modem but let's do a hard reset now.

To hard-reset the router take some thin object like a straightened paper clip and push into the reset-hole at the back of the router for 7 seconds. The manual doesn't tell if the router should be on or off while doing so, so I woul suggest doing both (first 7 seconds while it's on, powering down and 7 seconds while off).

The correct adress to configure the router is http://www.routerlogin.net (or using https://www.netgear.com/home/apps-services/nighthawk-app/ - or 192.168.1.1 but we're not even in that subnet (we're in 192.168.0 instead. let's see how it looks after the hard reset)).

 

[Steah]

ipconfig should help here...

Yes at least it confirms that .04 is the PC...

I really guess this router is hardly missconfigured.

Strange... I used it as a main internet access point for years...

There seems to be more than one router with this name. Currently looking into the manual of N300 Wireless Router WNR2000v4, assuming this is the right one. It says it's important to start the modem before the router which might mean it doesn't work without a modem but let's do a hard reset now.

It seems to be this model:

https://www.netgear.it/support/product/DGN2200v4.aspx

To hard-reset the router take some thin object like a straightened paper clip and push into the reset-hole at the back of the router for 7 seconds. The manual doesn't tell if the router should be on or off while doing so, so I woul suggest doing both (first 7 seconds while it's on, powering down and 7 seconds while off).

Yes I could do it with a pen, I think it should be on because the led should give a signal, in any case if nothing happens as on I will try it as off too...

The correct adress to configure the router is http://www.routerlogin.net (or using https://www.netgear.com/home/apps-services/nighthawk-app/ - or 192.168.1.1 but we're not even in that subnet (we're in 192.168.0 instead. let's see how it looks after the hard reset)).

Thanks, perfect, I will try those links even before the hard reset, just to try!

 

[V10lator]

Another thing you could try (if hard reset fails) is manual IP config instead of relying on DHCP. I would suggest completely leaving the routers subnet for that (which should make the router act like a stupid network switch, working around a lot of possible problems). So for example try the following configuration:
PC IP: 10.0.0.1
Wii U IP: 10.0.0.2
3DS IP: 10.0.0.3
Rest is identical on all devices:
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
DNS: Leave empty or 10.0.0.4 (no, the 4 is not a mistake)
Default gateway: Leave empty or 10.0.0.4 (also no mistake).

That way you can't access the routers settings through. If you want that (or for any reason the router refuses to route data packages of another subnet) try to get into the routers subnet:
PC IP: 192.168.1.10
Wii U IP: 192.168.1.11
3DS IP: 192.168.1.12
Netmask: 255.255.255.0
DNS: 192.168.1.1
Default gateway: 192.168.1.1

 

[Steah]

Another thing you could try (if hard reset fails)

The hard reset succeeded!!! For now I will focus on this, if we couldn't do much I will try with the manual IPs!

The devices received an IP correctly as .2, .3 and .4

I could enter the Router config!

Now I should check the things you told me some posts ago!

 

[V10lator]

Now I should check the things you told me some posts ago!

Before you check make sure NTRView doesn't work already.

 

[Steah]

Before you check make sure NTRView doesn't work already.

Inside NTR CFW the 3DS keeps giving me that same IP it gave before and not the actual one indicated by the router and it still fails to stream...

 

[V10lator]

Inside NTR CFW the 3DS keeps giving me that same IP it gave before and not the actual one indicated by the router and it still fails to stream...

Maybe some caching/config issue, so first try to completely reboot the 3DS (hold power untill it shuts down completly, then power back on). If that doesn't help have a look at the NTR config (not sure for what to look through as I never used NTR).

 

[Steah]

Maybe some caching/config issue, so first try to completely reboot the 3DS (hold power untill it shuts down completly, then power back on). If that doesn't help have a look at the NTR config (not sure for what to look through as I never used NTR).

Yes now it's time to restart all the passages from scratch and see if it changes!

 

[Steah]

Maybe some caching/config issue, so first try to completely reboot the 3DS (hold power untill it shuts down completly, then power back on). If that doesn't help have a look at the NTR config (not sure for what to look through as I never used NTR).

Here's what happened:

I restarted everything and both consoles received an IP, inside NTR CFW initially with Enable Debug the 3DS indicated the right IP as 192.168.0.3 but after starting Imput Redirection it gave again that strange IP 192.168.1.78 and it didn't connect to the Wii U as usual...

 

[V10lator]

I restarted everything and both consoles received an IP, inside NTR CFW initially with Enable Debug the 3DS indicated the right IP as 192.168.0.3 but after starting Imput Redirection it gave again that strange IP 192.168.1.78 and it didn't connect to the Wii U as usual...

But it worked without input redirection? Weird that the IP changed but it's at least in the right subnet. Anyway, I can't help here anymore. Maybe change to NTR CFW support?

 

[Steah]

But it worked without input redirection? Weird that the IP changed but it's at least in the right subnet. Anyway, I can't help here anymore. Maybe change to NTR CFW support?

I didn't try without it! I will make some more attempts in various way and eventually ask there too! Thanks!

 

[V10lator]

I didn't try without it! I will make some more attempts in various way and eventually ask there too! Thanks!

You're welcome. Also try to ping...

 

[FanNintendo]

Nice to see you guys trying to make 3DS connect to Wii U to work but i havent success it only with pc streaming with snickerstream, kit kat or UWPStreamer most not doing 100% streaming. in Japan did the solidering install the hdmi output until they got shut down or went out of busniess sadly. Hope somebody can solves the issue with 3DS to Wii U playing with Gamepad. how about hook the usb to 3ds port cable ??

 

[Steah]

You're welcome. Also try to ping...

Yes I will do some other tries this evening, it's encouraging that at least we made a step in the right direction!

Nice to see you guys trying to make 3DS connect to Wii U to work but i havent success it only with pc streaming with snickerstream, kit kat or UWPStreamer most not doing 100% streaming. in Japan did the solidering install the hdmi output until they got shut down or went out of busniess sadly. Hope somebody can solves the issue with 3DS to Wii U playing with Gamepad. how about hook the usb to 3ds port cable ??

Yes there was that physical mod adding the video output and I wonder what that via USB could do connected to a Wii U... I agree that having the 3DS on TV is a must, but I desperately want to do it with Wii U because it's too perfect to serve this purpose! The Gamepad being the lower screen with the touch screen and all, the TV being the upper screen, it's the perfect configuration possible, the Wii U is even in the design a big DS, white and with the touch screen...

The only other option I can see is if they will make a sort of "Gameboy Player" called "3DS Player" or something, containing the full hardware of the 3DS, with its firmware and the cartridge slot, programmed to be inserted into the Switch TV dock and able to comunicate with the Switch tablet serving as lower screen with the dock and the TV being the upper screen... Only a solution like this would surpass the idea of the Wii U as a TV 3DS!

 

[QuarkTheAwesome]

thoughts from last time someone asked me about the USB boards: https://github.com/yawut/ntrview-wiiu/issues/1#issuecomment-850029894

the key issue is, I know of maybe 4 people who could theoretically attempt IOSU-side work to make something like that happen, but none of them have access to one of these cards, and even if they did, the number of users who also have that is so miniscule as to make it not really worth the effort (compared to the similar amount of work needed for e.g. UDS)

Juicy 3ds capture info: