[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[crimpshrine]

I got bit by a dog a few years ago and took a tetanus (TDAP) shot. I had heard people say vaccines were dangerous before but didn't really pay much attention. After taking that shot, it gave me a headache and lack of ability to focus to read for a day or two.

Turns out the TDAP vaccine is the most dangerous one and can have side effects such as "brain swelling", which can cause brain damage. I didn't vaccinate myself retarded, but you can easily tell that stuff causes damage after taking the most dangerous ones and there's no way in hell I'm ever taking one again.

I would say the damage caused by the TDAP vaccine is at least equivalent to going on a Hunter Biden weekend spree of smoking crack and meth for days on end and staying awake for a week. That's without even taking into account all the random cancer causing crap they probably spike them with to try and reduce population.

Actually now that you mention it, I was working in my attic like 6 years ago. I had got punctured by a roofing nail that was stuck through the roof. And it was a bit rusty.

So thinking I was doing the right think I went to the doctor because I think the last time I had gotten that shot, I think it is the one you are referring to, I was a teenager. The doctor said yeah it's not worth taking a chance. And I remember feeling like complete shit for several days after getting it maybe even a week after, my lymph nodes in my neck were really swollen.

I think I even called the doctor and they said, yeah that can happen with the tetanus shot, and from what you say your side effects are not that bad. LOL.

 

[omgcat]

oh, Tucker Carlson says it's time to leave hunter Biden alone now.

Interesting how this happens less than a few hours after NBC News reported that a 64-page dossier alleging a complex conspiracy involving Hunter Biden and China was actually authored by a fake persona. "The fake document, which had been floating around the far-right web for a month before the New York Post published a controversial article echoing those conspiracy theories, was eventually disseminated by close associates of the president."

once again, gonna be a yikes from me.

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Actually now that you mention it, I was working in my attic like 6 years ago. I had got punctured by a roofing nail that was stuck through the roof. And it was a bit rusty.

So thinking I was doing the right think I went to the doctor because I think the last time I had gotten that shot, I think it is the one you are referring to, I was a teenager. The doctor said yeah it's not worth taking a chance. And I remember feeling like complete shit for several days after getting it maybe even a week after, my lymph nodes in my neck were really swollen.

I think I even called the doctor and they said, yeah that can happen with the tetanus shot, and from what you say your side effects are not that bad. LOL.

let me tell ya, lockjaw is nothing to fuck with. sore lymph nodes is nothing compared to the progressive locking up of your body until death or permanent artificial respiration. there is no cure to lockjaw, it can only be managed at its current progression.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

You forgot to mention that the Tetanus vaccine is bundled with the whooping cough (the more dangerous part) on purpose because nobody would take the highly dangerous one otherwise. As if preventing whooping cough is actually a government priority while letting in millions of illegal immigrants per year with tuberculosis.

 

[crimpshrine]

oh, Tucker Carlson says it's time to leave hunter Biden alone now.

Interesting how this happens less than a few hours after NBC News reported that a 64-page dossier alleging a complex conspiracy involving Hunter Biden and China was actually authored by a fake persona. "The fake document, which had been floating around the far-right web for a month before the New York Post published a controversial article echoing those conspiracy theories, was eventually disseminated by close associates of the president."

once again, gonna be a yikes from me.

“awful lot of documents” about Hunter Biden recently but has “not aired” many of them, insisting he has tried to stick to material involving his business dealings that could relate to his father.

“There are a lot of documents about Hunter Biden’s personal life that we haven’t brought to you and we are not going to and we will tell you why,” he said, noting the obvious reason that Hunter is not running for president.

So anything tied to Joe is what he wants to focus on. Which we already have 2 damning pieces of evidence that have been verified at this point.

Hunter is a freaking mess, we can all see that.

Although the likely abuse that Joe knew about that his son was doing which has also been shown in text messages, is something Joe should answer to also.

Any of us under the same circumstances would be in trouble I believe.

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You forgot to mention that the Tetanus vaccine is bundled with the whooping cough (the more dangerous part) on purpose because nobody would take the highly dangerous one otherwise. As if preventing whooping cough is actually a government priority while letting in millions of illegal immigrants per year with tuberculosis.

Really? I did not know that. I don't recall now if they told me when I got my tetanus shot later in life again that was the case.

Lock jaw does not sound good. I just remember thinking after I got that, I would just really be careful after 10 years with things, that I don't think I want to get another one of those shots again.

 

[omgcat]

So anything tied to Joe is what he wants to focus on. Which we already have 2 damning pieces of evidence that have been verified at this point.

Hunter is a freaking mess, we can all see that.

Although the likely abuse that Joe knew about that his son was doing which has also been shown in text messages, is something Joe should answer to also.

Any of us under the same circumstances would be in trouble I believe.

his family drug problem seems par for the course when you consider the opioid epidemic that fucked the Midwest in the last 10 years. A lot of families are probably relating to him having a family member with a drug/alcohol problem.

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So anything tied to Joe is what he wants to focus on. Which we already have 2 damning pieces of evidence that have been verified at this point.

Hunter is a freaking mess, we can all see that.

Although the likely abuse that Joe knew about that his son was doing which has also been shown in text messages, is something Joe should answer to also.

Any of us under the same circumstances would be in trouble I believe.

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Really? I did not know that. I don't recall now if they told me when I got my tetanus shot later in life again that was the case.

Lock jaw does not sound good. I just remember thinking after I got that, I would just really be careful after 10 years with things, that I don't think I want to get another one of those shots again.

if it was the booster, it was the TD vaccine, not Tdap. I had to get the TD shot as well as a few others before my trip to Japan. wasn't bad at all, only had a sore arm for a day.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

the opioid epidemic

Wonder if that has anything to do with the US military guarding the poppy fields in Afghanistan? (Bush, Obama, Biden, Clintons all part of the same criminal group).

 

[LumInvader]

All I see is "blah blah blah". We are not interested in your soy crap and white genocide movement. Babbling on for hours thinking you can fool anyone like some type of deceitful and nagging woman isn't working on anybody.

The only consensus mechanism that overrides all others in the real world is force. Your lying and deceit is both powerless and useless because you don't have the force to invoke your tyranny of trying to ban free speech and the 2nd amendment. Goodbye.

What I find fascinating is watching this bully call people names left and right, but immediately curls into the fetal position playing the victim after I challenge him on his BS.

 

[crimpshrine]

his family drug problem seems par for the course when you consider the opioid epidemic that fucked the Midwest in the last 10 years. A lot of families are probably relating to him having a family member with a drug/alcohol problem.

Yeah I don't know about that though. I have known plenty of good people in my lifetime that have had issues with drugs. I think Hunter is a BAD person. Inside and out. Drugs is just one of his problems a minor one in the grand scheme. I don't look at him and empathize with him. I would find it hard to believe others do. If you are a pedophile douche bag who uses people and addicted to drugs, maybe.

I believe all drugs should be legal.

 

[crimpshrine]

his family drug problem seems par for the course when you consider the opioid epidemic that fucked the Midwest in the last 10 years. A lot of families are probably relating to him having a family member with a drug/alcohol problem.

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if it was the booster, it was the TD vaccine, not Tdap. I had to get the TD shot as well as a few others before my trip to Japan. wasn't bad at all, only had a sore arm for a day.

I don't believe it was a booster. But heck I don't recall all the details now. Just remember thinking I was not going to get it again. First time I ever had an issue with a shot before. Sore arms I am fine with, that is normal. I felt like complete shit like I was sick like having the flu if I recall correctly with no fever. I might have even had aches all over. Enough that I called the doctors office, and I think they said it gets worse the older you get when you get it again.

 

[omgcat]

What I find fascinating is watching this bully call people names left and right, but immediately curls into the fetal position playing the victim after I challenge him on his BS.

the dude's an incel, he even uses all of the incel terminology. sucks when you try to have a discussion about the presidential election and one side simultaneously claims to be "educated, logical, and informed" and then throws away and cited sources claiming they're fake science, and pushes crazy labels on people. he's claimed I'm a communist before which is nuts, because i get to decide what i believe not him.

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I don't think you understand the other part of the Kaczynski diagnosis of 'liberalism' is "oversocialized". Women are better at linguistics than men because linguistics is mostly just a means to an end of acquiring resources through manipulation and deceit of other people.

Men, on the other hand, are better at being resource gatherers and don't require said activities of constantly spamming blah blah blah at people to try an deceive or manipulate others. The males that do it are dysfunctional or abnormal. Soy men. Leftism. Why is leftism in general entirely pro-female, anti-male? You have the answer.

sounds a lot like "why won't women sleep with me!" to me.

 

[Master X]

I don't think you understand the other part of the Kaczynski diagnosis of 'liberalism' is "oversocialized". Women are better at linguistics than men because linguistics is mostly just a means to an end of acquiring resources through manipulation and deceit of other people.

Men, on the other hand, are better at being resource gatherers and don't require said activities of constantly spamming blah blah blah at people to try an deceive or manipulate others so their linguistics score is always lower since they can just go out and do things or accomplish things through force.

A man has no need to partake in your game of deceit and manipulation. Why is liberalism as a whole entirely anti-male, pro-female? Because it's a bunch of dysfunctional soy men with female brains using bitchy female strategy of doing everything in life.

So, uh... just how many of your posts are in this ONE topic? Seriously, if we're going to be making claims off of 'constantly spamming blah blah blah' then you're pretty much a case study for a dysfunctional soy male.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

More Alinksy tactic projection - accuse the other side of what you are. Leftists have no defense against things like survival of the fittest existing and know damn well they're the bottom of the barrel in that regard. Trying to argue their way out of it just infuriates them. Pretending their ideas have any merit when it's subsidizing reverse evolution.

They have a Trump rally and everyone looks like a normal, working class person. Look at an ANTIFA lineup and it's all mutants high on crack:

 

[LumInvader]

the dude's an incel, he even uses all of the incel terminology. sucks when you try to have a discussion about the presidential election and one side simultaneously claims to be "educated, logical, and informed" and then throws away and cited sources claiming they're fake science, and pushes crazy labels on people. he's claimed I'm a communist before which is nuts, because i get to decide what i believe not him.

True. We also learned today that he's an anti-vaxxer. So it only makes sense for him to place crazy labels on people, which serves as a counterbalance to the crazy labels he places on himself.

So, uh... just how many of your posts are in this ONE topic? Seriously, if we're going to be making claims off of 'constantly spamming blah blah blah' then you're pretty much a case study for a dysfunctional soy male.

Well put, Master X.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

This guy is like the Chad of Antifas. The only one that looks remotely normal - like an ugly version of Kurt Cobain - except for the outrageously stupid face tattoos like he's some type stoneage tribesman living in the jungle.

He could have potentially been a non-dysfunctional human, but alas, this is the product of all single mother households. He smoked so much crack that he roasted his brain and joined the anti-white, Marxist group Black Lives Matter, even though the black on white violent crime rate is 10x higher than vice versa so there shouldn't even be a BLM and should be a WLM instead:

 

[omgcat]

More Alinksy tactic projection - accuse the other side of what you are. Leftists have no defense against things like survival of the fittest existing and know damn well they're the bottom of the barrel in that regard. Trying to argue their way out of it just infuriates them. Pretending their ideas have any merit when it's subsidizing reverse evolution.

They have a Trump rally and everyone looks like a normal, working class person. Look at an ANTIFA lineup and it's all mutants high on crack:

i guarantee you the people in that photo have had more sex than you. survival of the fittest only applies if you actually reproduce my friend.

i mean, imagine believing that basic human functions like communication is stuff only women should do.

 

[Whole lotta love]

Democratic socialism is a subform of libertarian socialism, little vindictive backpedling, word picking piece of 'not wanting to learn a thing'. Might be why in the graphic I posted they were used interchangeably?

Its not my job to educate you on your mistakes, just to point out what an absolute moronic statement you made in making this "basically the same, as an anarchic form of politicy/politics".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism


edit: Oh, turns out we both are wrong.

Libertarian socialism,[1] also referred to as anarcho-socialism,[2][3] anarchist socialism,[4] free socialism,[5] stateless socialism,[6] socialist anarchism[7] and socialist libertarianism,[8] is an anti-authoritarian, anti-statist and libertarian[9][10]political philosophy within the socialist movement which rejects the state socialistconception of socialism as a statist form where the state retains centralized control of the economy.[11]

So your statement that "where does Chomsky refer to himself als an anarcho socialist, I thought he was an advocate of libertarian socialism" was tautological. (You absolutely didnt know what you were talking about.)

But it also turns out that Libertarian socialism has not that much in common with democratic socialism.

I am beyond confused.

Libertarian socialism is an anti-state socialist tendency. Democratic socialism is a statist socialist tendency that attempts to replace capitalism overtime with gradual reforms. While both tendencies are hoping for the same general outcome (replacing capitalism with something more equitable and democratic), they are incompatible with each other because Libertarian Socialism rejects state authority while Democratic Socialism attempts to wield state authority to achieve its ends.
Are you making this argument because Wikipedia erroneously places Democratic Socialism in a category with Libertarian Socialism?

Libertarian Socialism isn't a "subform" of Democratic Socialism. Both are different tendencies or schools of thought under the wider umbrella of Socialism, alongside Left Communism, Maoism, Marxist-Leninism, Marcyism, etc.

But I don't even know why you're talking about Democratic Socialism. My discussion with Foxi never mentioned Democratic Socialism. Further, your original post mentions Social Democracy, which is a capitalist system that incorporates Socialistic programs like universal healthcare and free public transportation to mitigate some of capitalism's negative outcomes. Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism aren't the same thing.

Here's a decent summary from Moneyless Society of the differences between Libertarian Socialism, Democratic Socialism, and Social Democracy:

"Libertarian Socialism seeks to eliminate legislatures completely whereas Democratic Socialism retains a limited form of government in power."

"Social Democracy refers to a socioeconomic and political ideology that favors social and economic interventions for promoting social justice principles within a capitalist-oriented economy and liberal democratic polity."

"Social democracy still retains capitalist markets, which are an absolute no-no for libertarian socialists. While social democracy prioritizes the welfare of the people above all and is not opposed to the use of capitalism to achieve these objectives, libertarian socialism prioritizes power to the people above all and is completely opposed to the concentration of power and resources in the hands of the capitalists on all fronts. "

So your statement that "where does Chomsky refer to himself als an anarcho socialist, I thought he was an advocate of libertarian socialism" was tautological. (You absolutely didnt know what you were talking about.)

This is not true. Anarcho-Syndicalism is a form of Libertarian Socialism that attempts to build a socialist society through specific forms of militant labor struggle. Most people on the left consider Libertarian Socialism to encompass a broader range of anti-state socialist tendencies, including, but not limited to Anarcho-Syndicalism. There are many other types of anti-state socialist tendencies that differ from Anarcho-Syndicalism that still fall under the umbrella of Libertarian Socialism, such as Autonomous Marxism, Anarcho-Communism, Communalism.

This is not a tautology because there are distinctions between Anarcho-Syndicalism and Libertarian Socialism. A drop of water is different from a cup of water, despite them both being water.

I was curious about Chomsky because Anarcho-Syndicalism is kind of a dated term these days in the US and I had never heard Chomsky identify himself as such. I had heard him identify himself as a Libertarian Socialist several times but Foxi corrected my error.

As an aside, it is pretty frustrating to be told as a Libertarian Socialist what I do and don't believe by someone that just opened up the Wikipedia page for something I've studied and put into practice for years.

 

[notimp]

All I see is "blah blah blah". We are not interested in your soy crap and white genocide movement. Babbling on for hours thinking you can fool anyone like some type of deceitful and nagging woman isn't working on anybody.

The only consensus mechanism that overrides all others in the real world is force. Your lying and deceit is both powerless and useless because you don't have the force to invoke your tyranny of trying to ban free speech and the 2nd amendment. Goodbye.

Finally.. Soros world conspiracy peddling is populist lowballing used by despots in hungary (https://theintercept.com/2018/04/07...ys-election-smear-non-candidate-george-soros/) and - oh wait....

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/2020-election-misinformation-distortions
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-49584157
https://theconversation.com/how-don...pegoat-george-soros-to-win-re-election-140146

No, nevermind, not at all brainwashed individual..

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Democratic socialism is a statist socialist tendency that attempts to replace capitalism overtime

Jesus.

Democratic socialism is what 2/3 of the world runs on, which is entirely compatible with free market capitalism.

Basics.

But I agree that the Wikipedia article is written with an emphasis on more extreme currents within the movement, for no reason, wonder how that happened...

While having socialism as a long-term goal,[27] some democratic socialists who follow social democracy are more concerned to curb capitalism's excesses and supportive of progressive reforms to humanise it in the present day.[28]

Thats basically what most have settled into.

Up until "the displacement of keynsianism" according to said Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism#Overlap_with_social_democracy which reads like it was written by a 14 year old activist..

 

[Whole lotta love]

Jesus.

Democratic socialism is what 2/3 of the world runs on, which is entirely compatible with free market capitalism.

Basics.

Again, you're confusing Social Democracy (which is in place in many parts of the world) with Democratic Socialism, which is an anti-capitalist tendency.

Since you won't read the articles I share I'll give you a screenshot of an article titled "Democratic Socialism Isn’t Social Democracy" published in Jacobin, the most popular Democratic Socialist magazine currently in print.

I would also quite like to hear your responses to my other arguments since you seem very knowledgeable about anti-capitalist theory.

 

[notimp]

Again, you're confusing Social Democracy (which is in place in many parts of the world) with Democratic Socialism, which is an anti-capitalist tendency.

Yeah, I'm not sure to what extent though. The idea, that democratic socialism is this 'more radical current' that developed, once keynsianism was booted, and that now has the goal of 'ending capitalism'' is quite new to me. As in, sure I've seen those arguments around me from time to time, but no one takes them quite seriously.

So I'm not sure if we should go full judean peoples front vs. peoples front of judea quite yet.


I'll read the jacobin article though, thanks.

 

[Whole lotta love]

Yeah, I'm not sure to what extent though. The idea, that democratic socialism is this 'more radical current' that developed, once keynsianism was booted, and that now has the goal of 'ending capitalism'' is quite new to me. As in, sure I've seen those arguments around me from time to time, but no one quite takes them seriously.

So I'm not sure if we should go full judean peoples front vs. peoples front of judea quite yet.


I'll read the jacobin article though, thanks.

You really should join the anarcho-syndicalist commune