[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[notimp]

What a TURD of a human being this guy is. Blatantly biased, conflict of interest in even moderating the debate in the first place due to past association with Biden, caught in unethical communications revealing derision for the President, then lies about it when exposed.

Thats not the story.

"For several weeks, I was subjected to relentless criticism on social media and in conservative news outlets regarding my role as moderator for the second presidential debate, including attacks aimed directly at my family," Scully wrote. "This culminated on Thursday, October 8th when I heard President Trump go on national television twice and falsely attack me by name. Out of frustration, I sent a brief tweet addressed to Anthony Scaramucci. The next morning when I saw that this tweet had created a controversy, I falsely claimed that my Twitter account had been hacked."

Story is that of insane pressures against his person, then inconsiderate action, then wrongdoing - trying to save his personal career, then his network suspending him.

Of course republicans would kick such a person more - for failures commited in the future, that didnt take place. Republicans are the party of people that kick others, when they are down.

 

[crimpshrine]

Wow the town halls were bad tonight for different reasons.

George Stephanopoulos did not push back at all with Biden on anything. Never asking what Biden would do differently to prevent the # they keep saying over and over again on Covid-19 deaths. So much more of that kind of crap.

And of course Biden is never asked about the newly released information that neither he or his campaign has denied as being legitimate. Ever since that info has been released he has been hiding or doing virtual events where he does not have to face potential questions regarding this.

And you know when it finally happens, he is just going to say it was debunked already. Come on man, that was debunked.

I can't see any way you will get him saying on record that any of the information obtained is illegitimate or fake.

Savannah Guthrie was basically debating trump in-between questions.

All these blatent double standards, hard to ignore.

 

[notimp]

George Stephanopoulos did not push back at all with Biden on anything. Never asking what Biden would do differently to prevent the # they keep saying over and over again on Covid-19 deaths. So much more of that kind of crap.

And of course Biden is never asked about the newly released information that neither he or his campaign has denied as being legitimate. Ever since that info has been released he has been hiding or doing virtual events where he does not have to face potential questions regarding this.

Hey, never thought I would say this, but if true (didnt watch them yet), thats fair criticism.

Although the second one doesnt mean 'corrupt media' per se. That whole complex currently is a sh*tshow, and was very likely made public to be a sh*tshow. So media refusing to play it up is fair. But - the entire notion that this is a disinformation op - is not based on factual arguments, just circumstancial ones - largely created by spin.

'Censoring it' wouldnt be my first idea, if I were running an independent media outlet.

To be fair though, the story really isnt about Biden, its about Bidens son. There is no proof of Bidens wrongdoing.

Now the question becomes, do you believe the american people could differentiate that? To which the answer is no. To which everyone on the ultra right responds with 'fake media, not telling you the TRUTHtm'...
Showing restraint here (not reporting), isnt wrong. (As a journalistic outlet you are at danger of being used for campaign PR purposes mainly.)

Censorship (what twitter and facebook are engaged in) is. At least if you arent absolutely certain, that that story is bull - which currently, you cant be. So your actions are political, and they are partial. They might still not be wrong though. (History will tell. )

 

[Hanafuda]

Thats not the story.



Story is that of insane pressures against his person, then inconsiderate action, then wrongdoing - trying to save his personal career, then his network suspending him.

Of course republicans would kick such a person more - for failures commited in the future, that didnt take place. Republicans are the party of people that kick others, when they are down.

Boo fuckin hoo. He was accused of being biased, based on the obvious conflict of interest he had in moderating the debate in the first place. Then he proved the accusations correct in an unforced error. I'm glad C-SPAN did the right thing. He has tainted the credibility of Presidential debates almost as badly as Donna Brazile, and that's saying something.

 

[notimp]

Boo fuckin hoo. He was accused of being biased, based on the obvious conflict of interest he had in moderating the debate in the first place. Then he proved the accusations correct in an unforced error. I'm glad C-SPAN did the right thing. He has tainted the credibility of Presidential debates almost as badly as Donna Brazile, and that's saying something.

Kicking a person when he is down.

The one thing all republicans love to agree on is a marvelous game to play. Because the highest sin you can commit as a republican is to stand against the unified party opinion. Republicans strongTM; because we speak with one voice.

Thats corruption you can trust in. #therealheardbehavior #stampede #goodsoldier

 

[Hanafuda]

Kicking a person when he is down.

Calling a proven liar a liar.

Oh by the way, Joe Biden's been proven a liar recently too. And corrupt to the eyeballs. But Twitter will ban you if you mention it.

 

[Vovajka]

Is anyone here that voted for Trump in 2016, is going to vote for Biden?

 

[Lacius]

Calling a proven liar a liar.

Oh by the way, Joe Biden's been proven a liar recently too. And corrupt to the eyeballs. But Twitter will ban you if you mention it.

Twitter doesn't ban people for claiming someone lied.

All politicians lie or are wrong. The difference is Biden does it 1 time for everytime Trump does it a thousand times (hyperbolically, of course).

 

[crimpshrine]

Hey, never thought I would say this, but if true (didnt watch them yet), thats fair criticism.

Although the second one doesnt mean 'corrupt media' per se. That whole complex currently is a sh*tshow, and was very likely made public to be a sh*tshow. So media refusing to play it up is fair. But - the entire notion that this is a disinformation op - is not based on factual arguments, just circumstancial ones - largely created by spin.

Since I don't work in those circles I don't have first handle knowledge of what is really going on. But something is going on, have no idea what it is, but something is. 0 questions about the information bombshell.

Watch them both if you care and see what you think.

In my opinion if I were to rate the level at which each moderator took initiative to get answers out of each person I would say:

(1 being lowest - 10 being highest)

George Stephanopoulos - Biden - 2.5
Savannah Guthrie - Trump - 8.0

Censoring it' wouldnt be my first idea, if I were running an independent media outlet.

To be fair though, the story really isnt about Biden, its about Bidens son. There is no proof of Bidens wrongdoing.

But there is, at least one of the emails that were present on that hard drive was direct evidence that Joe met with someone from Burisma in April of 2015 which goes directly against against what Biden said before about that he had never spoken to his son Hunter about his overseas business dealings.

The email is this guy thanking Hunter for the meeting with him and his dad. And asking for another meeting with his dad.

So it confirms there was a quid pro quo and he was doing it for his son who was getting paid and from other emails found, Biden takes a cut of his kids money they get. Which is also gathered from the emails. There are other emails that have been released showing money he was getting from China too.

It's bad in my opinion. Especially when the President was impeached for far less.

Now the question becomes, do you believe the american people could differentiate that? To which the answer is no. To which everyone on the ultra right responds with 'fake media, not telling you the TRUTHtm'...
Showing restraint here (not reporting), isnt wrong. (As a journalistic outlet you are at danger of being used for campaign PR purposes mainly.)

Censorship (what twitter and facebook are engaged in) is. At least if you arent absolutely certain, that that story is bull - which currently, you cant be. So your actions are political, and they are partial. They might still not be wrong though. (History will tell. )

I agree that the common American person understands little of what is going on with this specifically. But it does not take much to make people believe someone is shifty and they are hiding something. And the censoring of certain social media outlets of this information coupled with all the attention that has brought is likely making common people look. For example Hunter Biden was like 2nd place from what I could see in top google searches for Wed October 14th. You don't want this kind of negative attention.

My opinion is they should all be held to the same standards. In the USA what information people have access to should not be censored or influenced by one party.

 

[Joom]

In case anyone is still confused about whether or not the left supports Biden, this is the general consensus of pretty much all of us.



An empty suit centrist who is too bought by the corporations to actually make any changes in this country. But we all kinda agree that he's not a delusional fuckwit like Trump who wants to see everyone dead who opposes him. And once you Trump supporters stop being useful idiots to him, you become just as expendable as us. He doesn't care about you or your life. If he did he would have done something to help you during this pandemic. He doesn't care if you and your family become homeless. He doesn't care if you choke to death from a disease he could have prevented. Please, I implore you all to pull your heads out of your asses to save your own lives, because this is no longer a Democrats vs Republicans issue. This isn't a God damned football game, so stop treating it as if actual human lives, including your own, aren't on the line.

 

[crimpshrine]

One other thing I just read is that 20 minute after the news break, Hunter Bidens lawyer called the computer repair shop and sent an email asking if he could have the hard drive back. And they say they have that email.

 

[omgcat]

Trump was very stupid to do his town hall side by side. the difference in the disposition of the candidates is striking. a lot of people are not happy with how trump acted going into the meeting and during it.

as for all the hunter nonsense, if these emails existed before April of 2019, why were the PDF's created in October of 2019?

Like these people are so inept, they have no idea that digital forensics are a things, let alone how to not make themselves look retarded. it's like that word document the trump administration purported as proof, but they forgot to turn off the changes history.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...convert-a-word-doc-to-pdf-helped-prosecutors/

hopefully some of you guys can unslope your forehead enough to realize you're being duped.

on top of that, this shit doesn't work when people know it's gong to happen.

White House was warned Giuliani was target of Russian intelligence operation to feed misinformation to Trump

 

[Joom]

Like these people are so inept, they have no idea that digital forensics are a things, let alone how to not make themselves look retarded. it's like that word document the trump administration purported as proof, but they forgot to turn off the changes history.

The sad thing is that Trump isn't even a good fascist. At least Hitler was an actually intelligent man. The fact that Trump has such a mass following of dipshits just speaks about how stupid the American people are. It honestly feels like we're living in the movie Idiocracy, and we're just a couple of years away from Taco Bell running the country and the water supply being replaced with a knockoff, government approved Gatorade.

 

[omgcat]

The sad thing is that Trump isn't even a good fascist. At least Hitler was an actually intelligent man. The fact that Trump has such a mass following of dipshits just speaks about how stupid the American people are. It honestly feels like we're living in the movie Idiocracy, and we're just a couple of years away from Taco Bell running the country and the water supply being replaced with a knockoff, government approved Gatorade.

that happens when there is a concerted effort to push anti-intellectualism and de-fund education.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

But there is, (ALLEGEDLY) at least one of the emails that were present on that hard drive was direct evidence that Joe met with someone from Burisma in April of 2015 which goes directly against against what Biden said before about that he had never spoken to his son Hunter about his overseas business dealings.

The email is this guy (ALLEGEDLY) thanking Hunter for the meeting with him and his dad. And (ALLEGEDLY) asking for another meeting with his dad.

So (ALLEGEDLY) it confirms there was a quid pro quo and he was doing it for his son who was getting paid and from other emails found, Biden (ALLEGEDLY) takes a cut of his kids money they get. Which is also gathered from the emails. There are other emails that have been released showing money he was (ALLEGEDLY) getting from China too.

It's bad in my opinion. Especially when the President was impeached for far less.

Except it's not direct evidence unless they've been independently verified as authentic, which they have not. Portraying them as authentic before they've been proven as such is dishonest.

 

[Joom]

that happens when there is a concerted effort to push anti-intellectualism and de-fund education.

Also, note how not a single Trump supporter here hasn't said anything about how they aren't actually a white supremacist or a fascist. It's all been "YEAH BUT THIS SCANDAL WITH THE CRACK PIPE", and how I'm the scumbag racist for calling them out on it.

 

[crimpshrine]

Except it's not direct evidence unless they've been independently verified as authentic, which they have not. Portraying them as authentic before they've been proven as such is dishonest.

But writing an article like the Atlantic did based on however many anonymous sources is OK and meanwhile you have 20+ real named people who claim the allegations being made are untrue, but that is allowed to be broadcast and still being used as truth by liberals to this day.

The campaign has not one time said this information on t he hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Joe Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Hunter Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

They have had well over 36 hours at this point to make that designation. The furthest they would go was through a 3rd party say that it can't be true because the one email in question (the meeting in April) could not have occurred because Biden's calendar says he was busy.

And it will only get worse if the laptop in the possession of the FBI someone has not managed to destroy or lose by now.

 

[omgcat]

So just so I follow this story: Hunter Biden, who lives in Los Angeles, decides to fly 3000 miles across country, to drop off 3 MacBook Pros at a repair shop run by a blind guy who charges the insanely low price of $85. Hunter gets off the plane and drunk drives to the repair shop (Ignoring all the repair shops in LA). He drops them off, signs a contract for repair and then disappears, never to be seen again by the repair man. The repair shop owner recovers and reads Hunter's *private* emails, a few of which mention a possible meeting with his dad and is so alarmed, he contacts the FBI.

The FBI arranges to pick up the hard drives, but the computer repair shop owner takes a totally normal step of copying them. Once he realizes the FBI isn't doing anything with them, he calls up Rudy Giulliani some how and hands them the contents of these drives.

That Rudy sits on them for months, then chooses to release them 3 weeks before the election. The mainstream media asks to independently verify their validity but said ex-Mayor does what all people trying to prove facts do and ignores these requests.

Is this how stupid we are now? No one who does data recovery would read through thousands of personal emails, even if the computer is abandoned. You'd just wipe the drives clean and sell the computers used. If these emails were as alarming as it's being pushed, Giuliani wouldn't have sat on them for months.


And if Giuliani wanted to prove their validity, he'd turn them over to forensic experts.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

But writing an article like the Atlantic did based on however many anonymous sources is OK and meanwhile you have 20+ real named people who claim the allegations being made are untrue, but that is allowed to be broadcast and still being used as truth by liberals to this day.

The campaign has not one time said this information on t he hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Joe Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

Hunter Biden has never said the information on the hard drive is not true or inaccurate.

They have had well over 36 hours at this point to make that designation. The furthest they would go was through a 3rd party say that it can't be true because the one email in question (the meeting in April) could not have occurred because Biden's calendar says he was busy.

And it will only get worse if the laptop in the possession of the FBI someone has not managed to destroy or lose by now.

My response to you was about YOU treating this information as fact. It is not fact. Neither the laptop or the emails have been independently verified for authenticity.

 

[omgcat]

But writing an article like the Atlantic did based on however many anonymous sources is OK and meanwhile you have 20+ real named people who claim the allegations being made are untrue, but that is allowed to be broadcast and still being used as truth by liberals to this day.

you mean the time trump talked shit about the military members? just like how he blamed the gold star families for getting him sick?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-gold-star-event-experts-disagree/5936784002/

on one side you have a story that is batshit and doesn't make sense in 10 different ways, and on the other you have a story where everyone agrees that it's something trump would do.