[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[notimp]

Yeah, message above is fake - but concerns are real.



Twitter and facebook have to state what made them do it publicly. In a just world.

(Potential reasong f.e. would be - "We were briefed by the FBI, that the laptop contained photos from Hunters hacked icloud account, together with a sex video, that russia made to compromise Hunter (honeytrap), and fake emails, put on a laptop that was then leaked publicly with the intent to distort...) or something like this.. then they get a get out of jail free card. )

Also you rightwing professional trolls are killing me, not even when the law is on your side, cant you refrain from making bullshit up, to underline your points.

You never can stick to just the truth, can you?

 

[Joom]

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MAYMAYS LOL XD

Also, with you being British, why do you care? You have your own version of Trump who's just as big a failure.

Yeah, message above is fake - but concerns are real.



Twitter and facebook have to state what made them do it publicly. In a just world.

Also you rightwing professional trolls are killing me, not even when the law is on your side, cant you refrain from making bullshit up, to underline your points.

You never can stick to just the truth, can you?

Oh fuck me, Saagar's another fear mongering liar like Tim Pool. Don't take anything he says seriously. And I dunno why I keep having to explain this, but social media companies are privately owned. They can do anything they want with their platform. Find another that'll allow hoaxes and conspiracies if you don't like their terms of service.

 

[notimp]

Ne - hes on the agent provocateur channel, hes hit some quite hard truths, then forgot about them two days later, because he had another provocative thing to promote.

And hes right on this. Twitter and Facebook overstepped boundaries here. Either you are 'just a safe haven', or you are a journalistic outlet - and if you actively censor articles, as 'misinformation' - you better give a reasoning why.

Whats missing is the reasoning.

 

[Joom]

Ne - hes on the agent provocateur channel, hes hit some quite hard truths, then forgot about them two days later, because he had another provocative thing to promote.

If you find time. It's kinda long.

 

[notimp]

The high wizard of the white nights of the democratic knights of the rose, is trying to tell me what? That Saagar is an agent provokateur? Yes I said so.

Any video that begins with 'senate commitee proves that russiagate was real', is buthurt, that his democratic talking points are sometimes made up as well.

As I said on the issue - sure it was real, but it was intentionally overplayed, and anyone who really, really felt it, because this was russia messing with the american electoral system, also didnt tell the whole story. Which is - if establishment interests cant guard against foreign influence on a sitting president, ... They are so much more relevant than a hand reaching into the state from russia, spending 350k on facebook PR, found by counting ads bought with rubel...

If you are inthe 'DNC is gospel' party - you've been just as brainwashed... If you are butthurt, that this talking point didnt lead to Trumps impeachment - even now, you havent understood the first thing about why those impeachment hearings were held (outcome always was clear, even a year prior).

So your better off, listening to some of that Saagar guys talking points - just understand, that ackording to them, everything is a scandal - because they've time to fill in a broadcast show - but at least they are talking about some of the finer points that you'll never hear on lets say MSNBC.. Agent provocateur channel.

 

[Joom]

f you are inthe 'DNC is gospel' party - you've been just as brainwashed

Hardly. People who are actually on the left despise the DNC. Like I said previously, I'm not a liberal and I don't like Biden, and the fact that the DNC chose him just by virtue of being Obama's VP is a joke. I don't like either party and would much prefer to see them both done away with. But once again, I'm left voting for the lesser of two evils, and people on the left are really sick and tired of doing so. Biden is a right leaning moderate. To think he's on the left means you're severely misinformed.

 

[crimpshrine]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/c-...admits-he-lied-about-his-twitter-being-hacked

All over this that he lied about that he meant to send privately:

"@Scaramucci should I respond to trump," Scully wrote in the now-deleted tweet.

So the 2nd debate would have been Trump against the moderator and Biden again.

What BS.

 

[notimp]

Hardly. People who are actually on the left despise the DNC. Like I said previously, I'm not a liberal and I don't like Biden, and the fact that the DNC chose him just by virtue of being Obama's VP is a joke. I don't like either party and would much prefer to see them both done away with. But once again, I'm left voting for the lesser of two evils, and people on the left are really sick and tired of doing so. Biden is a right leaning moderate, To think he's on the left means you're severely misinformed.

My point was - someone that has to act 'flustered' and 'miffed' because that Saagar TV show pundit, DARED to compare russiagate with the "postal scandal". ('Postal scandal is this years russiagate.' Which btw. I agree is a silly comparison.), is still so miffed on the 'russiagate was ultimately treated like a rumor' 'issue' -- that they refuse to see, that yes, most of how it was played was indeed 'rumoresque' (Russia basically took over the US by now - I hear *snark*) - even though the thing really took place.

I have a personal petpeeve with liberals that all of a sudden, in the middle of Germany, or neighboring countries got all flustered and scared 'what to do russia could hack my countries elections with facebook influence posts, also!' - just because the DNC said so.

Well and the FBI (?) did the usual thing of stating something without showing proof 'DNC hacked by the russians', so every liberal medium in the west of course copied the opinion as fact, word for word.

Stuff like that has me miffed. (Attribution of online hacks, or hacking tools is _hard_.) Other than that. No Putin fan.

edit The game russia is playing is not 'we take over america'. The game russia is playing is, usually low financing (at least initially), high risk, lets influence international relations that its a sh*t show, so we can invade neighboring countries to 'stabilize'. That worked out pretty well. But for some reason some people, usually close to the DNC still want history rewritten, that russia basically stole their elections, and republicans had impeachment over that stoped in the senate.

And thats never the whole honest truth.. (It imho pretty much negates everything else, and perpetuates the 'we werent responsibe for a lost election, russia was' myth.)

Trump is much more likely to be payed off by the Mercers, or the Military industrial complex, for his entire domestic policy, and their changes in arms race policies, than by freaking russia. Hes also more likely able to monetize those connections than to act based on an outstanding loan, potentially backed by russian banks. If anything its a 'you look away' arrangement. Wheres that part of the russiagate was real, story? The part that would make every american instantly uninterested. (We dont care about the rest of the world.)

 

[omgcat]

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more like "you're a fucking retard plz stop"

do people not realize this is the same shit that got trump impeached in the first place?
"metadata on the PDF files purporting to show Hunter Biden’s emails published by the Post suggest they were created on a Mac laptop on September 29 and October 10, 2019—around the same time Giuliani’s Ukrainian associates who helped him dig up dirt on the Bidens, Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas, were arrested and charged with breaking campaign finance laws. The timing of the creation of those PDF files—several months after Biden allegedly dropped off his laptop at the PC repair store in April 2019—raises questions about how and when Giuliani came into possession of the purported emails."

if you guys aren't keeping track, Igor and Lev both worked with Guilliani and owned a company called "Fraud Guarantee".

Giuliani told Reuters that Fraud Guarantee paid him half a million dollars for consulting and legal advice. And Parnas says he and Giuliani also worked closely in Ukraine.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/23/771849041/how-a-complicated-web-connects-2-soviet-born-businessmen-with-the-impeachment-in

 

[D34DL1N3R]

I haven't lost hope for the USA, but I've lost hope on these forums. Gbatemp is full of liberal idiots and the only thing liberals know how to do is take and destroy. It's sort of suiting that a liberal population would hover around a page dedicated to stealing Nintendo games. The thing is if these liberals get into power they will destroy the USA as every town will turn into a cesspool of drugs, crime, pollution and perversion just like San Francisco. Their model is one of failure and hopefully they don't get into power, but if they do expect Chicago level crime to overtake the entire country.

This will be my last post. It's not healthy to keep visiting a page that is full of people trying to make you feel like shit and only want to take from others who work hard and participate in perversions. So I'm out. Peace.

Hypocrite much? One by one I'm blocking all of the severely mentally handicapped Trumptards. Buh bye now.

 

[crimpshrine]

Hypocrite much? One by one I'm blocking all of the severely mentally handicapped Trumptards. Buh bye now.

The jerk calling people names can't read. Too funny. He said it was his last post.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

Anti-Biden Disinformation Decried by Disinfo Experts, Social-Media Giants; A Trump-tied newspaper floats dubious accusations. Will others bite?
https://www.defenseone.com/technolo...formation-experts-social-media-giants/169270/

Notable quotes:

On Wednesday, cybersecurity professionals, disinformation experts, and lawmakers urged journalists to be careful in their coverage of a “bombshell” New York Post story aimed at Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

The Post story claims that newly discovered emails show — in the face of widely available evidence to the contrary — that Hunter Biden helped persuade his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to push Ukraine to fire prosecutor Viktor Shokin for anti-corruption efforts. In fact, Biden sought Shokin’s firing because the Ukrainian was blocking anti-corruption efforts.

The provenance of the emails themselves is, to put it mildly, dubious. The Post story states that they come from a water-damaged laptop that was “dropped off at a repair shop in Biden’s home state of Delaware in April 2019, according to the store’s owner.” The owner made a copy of the hard drive, turned the computer over to the FBI, but then inexplicably gave copies of his client’s files to Robert Costello, a lawyer for Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor-turned-Trump booster. The owner of the laptop never returned to retrieve it, according to the Post.

Even if that remarkable series of events were true and the emails were real, they only suggest that Joe Biden may have agreed to meet one of Hunter Biden’s business partners. They don’t reveal actual wrongdoing.

The Post story also omits key details, including that Giuliani has acknowledged working closely with Andriy Derkach, a Kremlin ally sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury for pushing disinformation intended to sway the 2020 election. It omits that the gas company in question was recently attacked by the same Russian, state-backed hacking team that stole emails from the Democratic National Committee in 2016. It does not mention recent intelligence community assessments that Russia is still attempting to influence the U.S. presidential election to the benefit of Donald Trump.

Disinformation watchers on Wednesday were quick to point out the deeply problematic nature of the story and urge journalists and news outlets to be careful in how they covered it.

Peter Singer, a strategist at New America and the co-author of LikeWar: The Weaponization of Social Media, a book about disinformation, tweeted: “as I read stories like this, it makes me reflect on what some in media (especially on security beat) have learned from 1) the experience of being an unintentional player in info ops and 2) the perils of #bothsides equivalence.”

Kyle Cheney, a congressional reporter for Politico, tweeted, “The 'smoking gun' email in the NY Post story — even if it is authentic, given the massive red flags — doesn't actually say what the story says it does.”

|Again, stipulating that the suspect email is real, there's literally nothing in it that says Joe Biden met with a Burisma adviser.
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|"The opportunity to meet," may just as easily have meant Hunter promised a meeting in the future that may never have occurred.
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|— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) October 14, 2020

Marc Ambinder, a security expert in residence with the University of Southern California Annenberg School, pointed out that that chain of events had all the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation operation.

|- mysterious circumstances (which gin up conspiratorial thinking)
|- deniability (witnesses can’t remember key facts about the chain of custody of the information)
|- no metadata (can’t verify emails)
|- a gun ... with no smoke (would be too obvious)
|- a willing media vector
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|— Marc Ambinder (@marcambinder) October 14, 2020

John Scott-Railton with the University of Toronto's Citizen Lab project highlighted a thread on the subject by cybersecurity researcher Thomas Rid, author of Active Measures: The Secret History of Disinformation And Political Warfare. “Every journalist should read this thread: Critical advice on vetting of questionable stories that involve emails,” said Railton.

Rid’s thread picks apart the story and urges “journalists considering writing about this toxic story: don't—unless you can independently verify more details. And even if you can verify something, acknowledge the possibility of disinformation up-front, especially against the backdrop of 2016. Not doing so is bad practice.”

|CAUTION ADVISED with this morning's Burisma-Biden E-mail story. For several reasons. pic.twitter.com/61GEAhZZop
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|— Thomas Rid (@RidT) October 14, 2020

Website's bias rating: Neutral:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/defense-one/
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/defense-one-media-bias

 

[D34DL1N3R]

The jerk calling people names can't read. Too funny. He said it was his last post.

Another deplorable hypocrite. You just called me a name. See how that works? Also, I can read just fine. Do I need to tell you how many times I've seen someone say it was their last post here? Bye bye. You won a spot on my complete dotard block list.

 

[crimpshrine]

Anti-Biden Disinformation Decried by Disinfo Experts, Social-Media Giants; A Trump-tied newspaper floats dubious accusations. Will others bite?
https://www.defenseone.com/technolo...formation-experts-social-media-giants/169270/

Notable quotes:










Website's bias rating: Neutral:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/defense-one/
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/defense-one-media-bias

I have to LOL at the gymnastics here.


If is is untrue all Biden has to do is make a direct statement indicating in very specific words it is.

It's very simple. So simple it's not even funny.

Kind of like the same thing people time after time have been asking from Trump on white supremacy.

Having his campaign state that it is untrue because it was not on his calendar for that day looks pretty bad.

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Another deplorable hypocrite. You just called me a name. See how that works? Also, I can read just fine. Do I need to tell you how many times I've seen someone say it was their last post here? Bye bye. You won a spot on my complete dotard block list.

All of your messages I have seen from you is you calling someone something I believe.

Like I care.

 

[0x3000027E]

If is is untrue all Biden has to do is make a direct statement indicating in very specific words it is.

Not his burden of proof though, dear sir.

 

[crimpshrine]

Not his burden of proof though, dear sir.

It becomes even more so when his campaign makes it clear they will not go as far as to deny the information is invalid or inaccurate. JUST that it did not happen, it was not on his calendar.

Especially since everything on the hard drive lines up with time line and what you would expect from both of them.

Do you think all the photos of Hunter Biden (which have never been seen before) are deep fakes?

No matter what is found people like you will say, but this, or but that. I would not expect anything less. But not everyone is like you, and it is getting a lot of attention.

(and when I say people like you, I mean people that will justify or deny there is any validity to this)

From multiple angles. I am sure we are nowhere near done with this yet.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

Not his burden of proof though, dear sir.

Bingo.

With unverified documents and no smoking gun, Biden's best move for now is to dismiss the story and move on. This is the very reason why we're seeing so much focus on what Biden said or hasn't said, because in absence of actual proof, accusers are left with no choice but to twist Biden's response and use it against him.

With Biden leading nationally by over 10 points and with only 2.5 weeks until election day, accusers are desperately puffing this story up in the hopes it erodes Biden support. That's precisely the reason why this story was released and when it was released.

 

[gizmomelb]

Maybe you should look up the origins of fascism. It's a system created by communists/socialists. You don't look too smart labeling something the right with ideology from the left.

And you don't look too smart without knowing the deeper meaning and history - I guess watching the short video that echoed your wanted opinions was enough 'research' for you.

Maybe your fake news site should also look up the origins of Fascism - yes it originated in Italy by the working class socialists, but it was twisted and adopted RIGHT WING political ideals of exclusion and violence to victimise and abolish the bourgeois middle class (same in Germany). Simply put it's just like the message in George Orwell's book Animal Farm was corrupted from a socialist "All animals are equal" to a fascsist "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

As Mussolini himself put it, “Fascism denies that the majority, through the mere fact of being a majority, can rule human societies… [Fascism] affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men, who can not be leveled by… universal suffrage.” ie: it is the antithesis of democracy and social equality (socialism).


I'll put it in bold and capitalise it since SO MANY FUCKING PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM.

Both socialism and communism place great value on creating a more equal society and removal of class privilege. The main difference is that socialism is compatible with democracy and liberty, whereas Communism involves creating an 'equal society' through an authoritarian state, which denies basic liberties.


Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion

Fascist philosophies vary by application (Germany's (and to an extent so was Japan's) was racism, Italy's was class based), but remain distinct by one theoretical commonality: all traditionally fall into the far-right sector of any politcal spectrum, catalyzed by afflicted class identities over conventional social inequities.

So yes, Trump's MAGA and Proud Boy militia supporters are a direct example of Fascism on the rise in America. Trump wants to make America Great (so did Mussolini and Hitler). Mussolini wanted the trains to run on time in Italy and executed train drivers if the trains were late. What does Trump want in regards to healthcare, minimal wages and employee safety (EHS / OHS) and who has he decided is expedient in order to keep the wheels of capitalism and business turning?

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I also don't know what you and @Lacius are on about. The two links I shared that dig into the origins of Fascism might be posted on a site you both dislike, but that doesn't mean the material isn't sound. It's not the only site that digs into the origins of fascism. I suggest you watch the video and research some of the topics used in the video. The main person responsible for creating fascism studied under the creators of socialism.

(source: http://thedailyjournalist.com/thethinker/fascism-is-far-left-not-far-right-on-political-spectrum )​

You don't get it do you? The graphic above and the scale they use is reversed.. so that conveniently the arrow towards communism and fascism points left.

As for your not going to the wiki 'because it's full of leftist propaganda", the sources you're citing are DIRECTLY full of right wing propaganda being twisted to show the light they want.

 

[Hanafuda]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/c-...admits-he-lied-about-his-twitter-being-hacked

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All over this that he lied about that he meant to send privately:

"@Scaramucci should I respond to trump," Scully wrote in the now-deleted tweet.

So the 2nd debate would have been Trump against the moderator and Biden again.

What BS.

What a TURD of a human being this guy is. Blatantly biased, conflict of interest in even moderating the debate in the first place due to past association with Biden, caught in unethical communications revealing derision for the President, then lies about it when exposed.

I thought it was a mistake but maybe this dueling town halls thing is a better idea. Just have to watch out for the media pulling their "undecided voter" trick. (LINK)

 

[notimp]

Anti-Biden Disinformation Decried by Disinfo Experts, Social-Media Giants; A Trump-tied newspaper floats dubious accusations. Will others bite?
https://www.defenseone.com/technolo...formation-experts-social-media-giants/169270/

Notable quotes:










Website's bias rating: Neutral:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/defense-one/
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/defense-one-media-bias

The evidence regarding to the contrary is none. That the case lay dormant doesnt prove, that there werent interests to get it killed. That there were voices angered about the prosecutors inaction on Burisma, doesnt prove that he later did not push to investigate. The key proposal, that the case lay dormant at the time Biden intervened, could be produced by prior interventions by the US - nothing here is proof. On the other hand, nothing here is obviously false either.

It would seem odd, that Biden actually bragged about something that could so easily incriminate him of wrongdoing though. At the same time it would seem odd, that Biden had the prosecutor fired, because - as the Radio Liberty (of course.. ) article states 'he didnt investigate his sons workplace fast enough'.

On the radio liberty front: US probably has interests to not have this story framed as a personal vendetta, because it would implicate the US as having been part of 'shady deals' (get him fired, or you wont get the credit line). The argument, that the US would only do such a thing, to 'fight corruption' is none (thats not the case). That said - that doesnt mean that Biden obviously didnt do it to 'fight corruption' its just story vs story at this point. With a release that late in the reelection campaign, it doesnt spell 'people seeking the truth' though..


All other notions that you bring in the posting are circumstantial. People saying 'this has the smell of something thats probably a disinformation campaign'.

While I agree (newspaper used, smear campaign components, no actual crime commited, story doesnt say what Trump campaign says it says (meeting could never have taken place).., this doesnt disprove the parts of the claims, that need disproving.

So if 'it smells fishy' is your defense against a smear campaign - fine, but it doesnt automatically render the parts of the story that are brought forward as proof of alleged wrongdoing - wrong.

So censoring the story on part of facebook and twitter is still - a political action. It seems.