Release of the Mueller report is imminent, AG Barr has in-hand, judiciary committees being briefed

[Foxi4]

What is that saying, don't blame the victim? However, I did do something to provoke each incident. I was born white. The harassment also seems to become more apparent when I wear a t-shirt that simply has an American flag on it. For some reason the local majority finds that offensive. I try not to wear it often.

Best be on the safe side, God knows when a fake Vietnam veteran attacks you with a tribal drum. Water is life, haven't you heard?

/s

 

[SG854]

You're kidding, right? The investigation was always about those two very narrow topics. "Collusion" I should clarify is not a legal term, so the Mueller report actually presents evidence from within the framework of conspiracy and states as much. So conspiracy is one, and obstruction of justice is the other. Has always been the other. The firing of Comey was assumed to be obstruction of justice and certainly looked like it from the outside, a large part of what sparked the creation of the Mueller investigation in the first place.

I forgot to type Main Focus. People were concerned about Russia Collusion. Obstruction was just a side back up thing, to try to get Trump on a long list of attempts in the past of trying to impeach him. It makes people look desperate with all these attempts and especially when no evidence establishes Collusion, making it hard to prove Obstruction on malicious intent when there is no Collusion to cover up in the first place.


It's desperate when I listed some policies of Trump going hard against Russia which contradicts him being a puppet of Putin. It's desperate when I said there were 3 separate investigations, the Mueller investigation and 2 others that found no collusion and you said who the fuck cares. Or high intellectuals like Noam Chomsky or a highly educated historian like Victor Davis or even an Whistle Blower Bill Binney who previously worked for the NSA said this was all non-sense. And people still want more investigations. At some point you have call it quits because it makes you look crazy.

That's rich coming from the Democrat camp which has been "worked up" about the Trump presidency since Day 0 and continues to elevate the level of outrage and delusion with every passing day, desperately hoping to wake up from a reality that they consider a nightmare. It's gotten so bad that we had to come up with a term for this bizarre form of psychosis, "Trump Derangement Syndrome", in order to somehow classify the otherwise childish outbursts grown-ass adults now engage in. Everyone's affected, from your average Joe to high ranking members of society, people are tripping over themselves to be the bigger buffoon. Say what you will about Trump supporters feeling persecuted against (which, by the way, they are - for whatever reason people think it is socially acceptable to attack and harass someone just because they're wearing a MAGA hat), the Democrats have gone completely bonkers in the last few years and, despite all evidence to the contrary, they still think the sky is falling. It's not falling, and it would do the nation a lot of good to just stop being at each other's throats, focusing instead on policy. The opposition can't continuously move the goalposts when the previous investigation or report didn't lead to a magical impeachment proceeding they dreamed of, at some point you have to stop.

This is the craziest thing I have ever seen in my life. Even people like Bill Maher says who the fuck cares about the Mueller Report, I know Trump colluded. This has gone insane.


These people are convinced that Republicans are the enemy, that it's their duty to the world to save the human species from the Donald Trump. They see themselves as some kind of savior, and a Hero to impeach Trump, and its gone to their heads even to the point of dropping all critical thinking.



All of this is backfiring hard on them. When they call for censorship only on Republicans, but not recognize their own party also has crazies because they keep trying to say well look over there you guys are worse, which ignores their own crazies, they never end up fixing the problems within their own party that's holding them back. And the censorship on the far right is backfiring because that only leaves moderate Republicans, while the far left runs wild, and when people see the 2, they see the Republicans to be the calm rational party, they are pushed away from the "Crazy" Democratic Party. People think, I'd rather be with the Republicans because Democrats are Crazy.


And usually the first people to call for censorship, especially with the Youtube fake News algorithm, are the ones to get censored themselves and are giving up free press power to the corporations. After the fake news filter, left wing activists dropped 63% in views. They are hurting themselves. They think all will be well with censorship everyone will sing Christmas Carols, they get rid of evil racists and republicans, but reality never ends up how they imagine it.


They have gone batshit insane.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

That's rich coming from the Democrat camp which has been "worked up" about the Trump presidency since Day 0 and continues to elevate the level of outrage and delusion with every passing day, desperately hoping to wake up from a reality that they consider a nightmare. It's gotten so bad that we had to come up with a term for this bizarre form of psychosis, "Trump Derangement Syndrome", in order to somehow classify the otherwise childish outbursts grown-ass adults now engage in. Everyone's affected, from your average Joe to high ranking members of society, people are tripping over themselves to be the bigger buffoon. Say what you will about Trump supporters feeling persecuted against (which, by the way, they are - for whatever reason people think it is socially acceptable to attack and harass someone just because they're wearing a MAGA hat), the Democrats have gone completely bonkers in the last few years and, despite all evidence to the contrary, they still think the sky is falling. It's not falling, and it would do the nation a lot of good to just stop being at each other's throats, focusing instead on policy. The opposition can't continuously move the goalposts when the previous investigation or report didn't lead to a magical impeachment proceeding they dreamed of, at some point you have to stop.

yes because this has been a normal uneventful uncontroversial boring 2 1/2 years. ranging from threats of conflict over twitter to doing a lot of policies which got stopped on the courts for being unconstitutional in the forms they were originally trying to be enforced. Yep, boring every day stuff.

They have gone batshit insane.

yes we as a monolith have gone completely crazy. one set of ideals and NPC's. After all that is all we are is it not?

as a last tidbit, here is one of the folks on your camp that understands the importance of what just got dropped:

 

[Xzi]

That's rich coming from the Democrat camp which has been "worked up" about the Trump presidency since Day 0 and continues to elevate the level of outrage and delusion with every passing day, desperately hoping to wake up from a reality that they consider a nightmare. It's gotten so bad that we had to come up with a term for this bizarre form of psychosis, "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Unfortunately I know it's reality and not a nightmare. I'm also not under the delusion that Trump can be removed from office before 2020, but that doesn't mean I think both parties should give up on any form of justice and rule of law in this country.

The "TDS" nonsense I've addressed before. It's not an argument and you're not making any larger point here. If I wanted to simplify the issue in a similar fashion, then the only reason Trump got elected in the first place was because of Obama derangement syndrome. Since Trump was the father of the birther conspiracy, and that made him an appealing option to both reactionaries and racists, it logically follows that no Obama presidency = no Trump presidency.

And the shit Republicans flipped out about during Obama's presidency was the color of his suits and his choice of condiments. Not quite in the same league as conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and nineteen other serious ongoing federal investigations.

 

[Foxi4]

yes because this has been a normal uneventful uncontroversial boring 2 1/2 years. ranging from threats of conflict over twitter to doing a lot of policies which got stopped on the courts for being unconstitutional in the forms they were originally trying to be enforced. Yep, boring every day stuff.

The fact that a court tries to delay the implementation of a policy doesn't mean that it is unconstitutional. Hawaii is one of a number of states that often uses the court system to stifle perfectly constitutional legislation. Sometimes judges push for injunctions on ideological lines, not because of debatable legality of a bill. The travel ban is a good example which ultimately was pushed through in the Supreme Court during Trump v. Hawaii by a 5 to 4 majority. Not that we needed the court to decide upon it - the president has always had purview over immigration policy and there is historical precedent for that being the case. We already have a body responsible for exploring whether certain policy decisions are constitutional or not - the Supreme Court. Judges are citizens too, they're not immune to the Trump Derangement Syndrome. The fact that the judicial branch is trying to usurp power from the legislative branch should be worrying to you, not heartwarming.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_v._Hawaii

 

[Xzi]

The travel ban is a good example which ultimately was pushed through in the Supreme Court during Trump v. Hawaii by a 5 to 4 majority.

Oh I remember that one! The six-month ban, by the end of which Trump promised to have immigration policy "all figured out," right? And then it expired and nobody in the White House had done anything but pick their nose in that span of time.

 

[Foxi4]

Oh I remember that one! The six-month ban, by the end of which Trump promised to have immigration policy "all figured out," right? And then it expired and nobody in the White House had done anything but pick their nose in that span of time.

Perhaps the White House would be more effective at implementing policy if deranged Democrats didn't try to stifle it at every turn with underhanded tricks? Who knows, who knows. Maybe Trump should just use the I.R.S. against his political opponents like his predecessor did, that would certainly speed things up.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

they would be more effective if a lot of their policies held in courts which they havent.

 

[Foxi4]

they would be more effective if a lot of their policies held in courts which they havent.

I guess we'll all have to wait for Term 2: Electric Boogaloo then, won't we?

 

[Xzi]

Perhaps the White House would be more effective at implementing policy if deranged Democrats didn't try to stifle it at every turn with underhanded tricks? Who knows, who knows. Maybe Trump should just use the I.R.S. against his political opponents like his predecessor did, that would certainly speed things up.

Good leaders don't make excuses for why they're unable to lead. Obama faced just as much obstruction, if not more so, and never whined about it. It's below the dignity of the office.

 

[Foxi4]

Good leaders don't make excuses for why they're unable to lead. Obama faced just as much obstruction, if not more so, and never whined about it. It's below the dignity of the office.

The office has no special kind of dignity, a president is just a guy that people elected to work for them. All politicians are servants, being a president is just a job. The whole veneer of "being presidential" is ridiculous, they're not the aristocracy, they're in a temporary position of power.

 

[Xzi]

The office has no special kind of dignity

Well it certainly doesn't now.

The whole veneer of "being presidential" is ridiculous, they're not the aristocracy, they're in a temporary position of power.

You're right, absolutely ridiculous, the position should go to any random person off the streets with a little name recognition. I look forward to Snooki being the Republican nominee in 2024.

 

[SG854]

yes we as a monolith have gone completely crazy. one set of ideals and NPC's. After all that is all we are is it not?

Look at the graph below. Notice how there hardly anyone in the Far Right on everything. And there's many on the Far Left of both issues. Theres hardly anyone in bottom right 4th quadrant which is mostly empty. Thats where the alt right is. Economic identitarians.


Many Hillary voters are into identity politics. That's where you'll likely get your Anti White Anti Males racist and sexists. This is also why you hear more news of the Left being crazy then you hear about the right Trump supporters. This is going to hurt them. And look at the alienated Dem Hillary supporters being pushed into Right Wing because of identity politics. So this means its likely the right wing sections on identity issues can be interpreted as they don't care about identity politics at all. The center being I think some identity issues are good but not too much where its crazy. The bottom is identitarians.

The negative thoughts on African Americans is likely for high crime rates among them. Which is likely why a lot of Dems are pushed into those right wing sections and also pushed there for border issues. And which explains why there are Trump supporters that are in the far left Socialist or in left wing economics sections, but are not identitarians. Its because the left is pushed there by crazy anti white male identitarians and are being alienated, so they voted for Trump. Many Bernie Supporters voted for Trump.



This is likely to cost the left the 2020 election. And why the left is seen as crazy. There are people on the left that don't want to vote Bernie because he is a White Male. And identitarianism/TDS, is likely going to be there downfall.


When it comes to economics the Trump supporters is mostly center slightly right, theres a mixture of Economic Socialist Bernie Sanders type, and Right Wing Economic types. There's not many Trump supporters that wants far right economics because of this mix. Dems mostly cluster to the far left. They are mostly uniform when it comes to economics and social issues. And its going to back fire pushing for identitarianism.

https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publication/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond



On Mueller Report
The Democrats controls the House of Representatives. And they have the power to impeach. If they don't want to proceed with impeachment. Then that should be telling of what's in the report. It's the Democrat's outside of the House pushing for impeachment that are the deranged lunatics.

 

[Xzi]

Also the Democrats controls the House of Representatives. And they have the power to impeach. If they don't want to proceed with impeachment. Then that should be telling of what's in the report.

I agree. The establishment centrist Dems say that the Senate won't convict anyway, which is true, but it's ultimately not about getting a conviction. It's about standing up for the rule of law and getting all the relevant facts on record, as well as everyone's individual positions on record. Impeachment would be an opportunity to lay out the case before the American people, and call witnesses who were integral to gathering the facts of the Mueller report.

You misrepresented that graph out of context by the way, the bottom right represents people who are conservative on economic issues and liberal on identity issues. Libertarians, essentially. Even still I can't help but laugh at the idea of Trump supporters being represented as "centrists" in any sense of the word. The 33% that are willing to dismiss toddlers being thrown in detainment camps without proper supervision belong bunched up in the very top right corner.

 

[SG854]

I agree. The establishment centrist Dems say that the Senate won't convict anyway, which is true, but it's ultimately not about getting a conviction. It's about standing up for the rule of law and getting all the relevant facts on record, as well as everyone's individual positions on record. Impeachment would be an opportunity to lay out the case before the American people, and call witnesses who were integral to gathering the facts of the Mueller report.

You misrepresented that graph out of context by the way, the bottom right represents people who are conservative on economic issues and liberal on identity issues. Libertarians, essentially. Even still I can't help but laugh at the idea of Trump supporters being represented as "centrists" in any sense of the word. The 33% that are willing to dismiss toddlers being thrown in detainment camps without proper supervision belong bunched up in the very top right corner.

Oh Crap your right. I was trying to type fast I'll correct my post. But when it some to economics Trump supporters they are center slightly more to the Right. While Hillary Voters are very far left.


The graph is most likely based on Identitiy politics. Negative views on Africans is probably because of high crime rates. You can see a lot of Hillary supporters being pushed being pushed far up on this. And likely people up are ones that don't care about identity politics at all. While the center thinks some identity politics is good but not to crazy levels.

 

[Foxi4]

Well it certainly doesn't now.

You're right, absolutely ridiculous, the position should go to any random person off the streets with a little name recognition. I look forward to Snooki being the Republican nominee in 2024.

Sure, why not? It certainly used to go to "any random person", that's sort of the point of modern democracy. Newsflash, the entire country was founded as a middle finger to monarchy. The whole system was established to seize power from the aristocracy and return it to the people, anyone can run and anyone can be elected, with sufficient support. The U.S.A. had presidents ranging from peanut farmers to reality TV stars, there's nothing out of the ordinary about that.

 

[SG854]

I updated my post to be more clear.

 

[SG854]

I updated my post again. I kind of half assed it the first time around because I was making a quick comment without thinking of explaining it good.


So the Graph shows why there are Trump Supporters that support left wing and even far left economics. Its because those are left wing people that are pushed there by the crazy democratic party and voted for Tump. And Trump is garnering support from Democrats that see their party as crazy. And the way things are going this didn't change at all and has gone even crazier over the years. The Mueller report is going to boost Trump, and economic models predict Trump will win 2020. These are the same models that predicted he'll win 2016 when most Main Stream News outlets polling data said Hillary would win in a landslide.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

The office has no special kind of dignity, a president is just a guy that people elected to work for them. All politicians are servants, being a president is just a job. The whole veneer of "being presidential" is ridiculous, they're not the aristocracy, they're in a temporary position of power.

This is where you and I disagree. A certain degree of maturity in such position used to be an expectation. You must be certainly young in life if you think that this is proper way to behave when being in charge and your decision can affect the lives of so many people.

 

[Xzi]

Sure, why not? It certainly used to go to "any random person", that's sort of the point of modern democracy. Newsflash, the entire country was founded as a middle finger to monarchy. The whole system was established to seize power from the aristocracy and return it to the people, anyone can run and anyone can be elected, with sufficient support. The U.S.A. had presidents ranging from peanut farmers to reality TV stars, there's nothing out of the ordinary about that.

Difference is that Jimmy Carter had more experience than "peanut farmer" under his belt by the time he was elected president. He also certainly wasn't born to wealthy elitists who bought his way to the top for him.

I find it rich discussing "giving the middle finger to monarchy" during a time at which the AG and president are suggesting the office gives him king-like immunity from prosecution.