Release of the Mueller report is imminent, AG Barr has in-hand, judiciary committees being briefed

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    Frankly, Barr and the DOJ are just plain wrong on this issue anyway. The president is not above the law, and nobody should be able to run out the clock on the statute of limitations while supposedly "immune" to prosecution. Some brilliant legal mind needs to argue that if such immunity actually exists, the statute of limitations for any/all crimes has to be put on pause until the individual is no longer protected by it.
     
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    I agree with you, but it's not Mueller's place to defy DOJ policy. I think I discussed it previously, but the history of that policy is as interesting as it is flimsy.
     
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    1.) Remember this whole Investigation was to see if there was any Russia Collusion, which none was established because of lack of evidence.


    2.) So the goal post has been moved to Obstruction of Justice which was not at all what the investigation was about. But it really hard to prove Obstruction to malicious intent when there was no crime established in the first place.


    So now what people are trying to get Trump on is him being ignorant. Trump is an idiot and doesn't know how the legal system works, so he's unaware of what he can't do. His aids refused to do anything to Trump wanted so no Obstruction happened, and the White House cooperated with giving them the documents and anything they needed to conduct the investigation fully without any interference. No obstruction happened so they moved the goal post again to intent, him wanting to obstruct. Even though no obstruction happened, lets get him on wanting for it to happen. Which no malicious intent was established. Be glad that the legal system works on intent or the reasonable person stance, a lot of innocent people will be thrown in jail if not.




    You can argue till the cows come home on Obstruction of Justice, or him teaming up with Russians to get opposition research. But remember the DNC and Hillary Clinton hired a contractor working for the Ukrainian Government, and paid Christopher Steele who working with Russian Officials to get opposition research and dirt on Trump and Manafort. If you want to accept Trump working with Russians to get opposition research as Collusion, then you have to criminally charge Hillary and the DNC for Colluding with Ukraine and Russia. But as some members in this thread has said before, getting opposition research is completely legal, and Trump was not charged at all with working with Russians so this whole point is irrelevant.
     
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    You're kidding, right? The investigation was always about those two very narrow topics. "Collusion" I should clarify is not a legal term, so the Mueller report actually presents evidence from within the framework of conspiracy and states as much. So conspiracy is one, and obstruction of justice is the other. Has always been the other. The firing of Comey was assumed to be obstruction of justice and certainly looked like it from the outside, a large part of what sparked the creation of the Mueller investigation in the first place.
     
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    Mueller was appointed as a direct response to the firing of Comey to, among other things, explicitly investigate obstruction of justice.
     
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    I'm not the one trying to shift the blame on anyone. However, if I was part of the bandwagon that was blaming Trump of collusion for two years based on some frakkin fantasy I would be guilty of such actions and would apologize. You can claim I did the same thing, but I don't care what you claim as I never took part in the bullshit circus hate jerk Liberal shit show circle. I'm just enjoying being right about something and rightfully so as I've had to put up with 2 years of blatant bullshit. I'm going to enjoy myself for a while. Nothing wrong with that.
     
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    Wow, so you've been treating the last couple years as though you were the one under investigation? What a persecution complex.
     
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    Okay, Mr. I was Wrong and Can't Admit To It.

    For two years I've had to put up with the Liberal news sites spewing their hatred and the reaction the conservative sites came up with. I was simply trying to read the news and not some 12 year old girl gossip column. I also watched how it divided people (which by the way is what Liberals want). It was horrible and to find out they were wrong all along and they spent two years churning their hate machine FOR NOTHING makes me smile and you're not going to get to dance around the fact you and the rest of your cronies were wrong as you have a 100% chance of NOT REMOVING MY SMILE. I think I've earned a few weeks of keeping a smile on my face for having to endure the shitshow for 2 years.

    If I was the target of the investigation I'd comment on that, but then I don't want to break any forum rules.
     
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    This is why you can't be taken seriously. You belittle any viewpoint or reporting you disagree with, even if it's rooted in fact, and that's not necessary.

    It ain't liberals tear-gassing asylum seekers at the border, bud. Or using their faith as a bludgeon to discriminate against others with.

    Said the guy who still hasn't read the report and refuses to accept anybody else's conclusions on it...

    Very Onion-y headline from Business Insider today, but it's rooted in actual polling: 'Mueller report exhonerates Trump, say Americans who did not actually read the Mueller report.'
     
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    I know damn well what gossip vs actual news it. Did I say I had problems with other news articles on various Liberal sites? No. I'm talking about the trash they tried to pass as news for two years which happened to be WRONG. You can't take me seriously because you don't want to admit to being wrong. What is "rooted in fact"? You mean, you take a small fact, put some spin on it, write up an article so-called news article based on the spin you put on the fact that was only barely related to the issue? That's the type of reporting I've been exposed to for two years.

    That has nothing to do with the fact the Liberals were wrong about the collusion and the Liberals in most cases are one of the most discriminating groups in existence.

    Says the guy who said we need to wait for the report, then we get the report, then doesn't agree with the AGs findings, who then says Congress needs to get the report and then they get the report and then you still don't agree with the findings and now there is yet another condition to be met. You don't know what I've read and haven't read and I'd trust the AG and Congresses findings before I trust some random person on the Internets opinion.

    Dude, you were wrong and I'm still smiling.
     
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    Why the fuck would you work yourself up over tabloids and shit like that? Clickbait is used to attract people on both the right and left. Just ignore it.

    Repeating myself here, but 'collusion' is not a legal term. The Mueller report approaches those charges through the framework of conspiracy, and it never says there were no attempts to commit said conspiracy. We're still missing the counter-intelligence report and other relevant information to this subject.

    First of all, that's not the order it happened. Secondly, I don't see the issue with being patient and waiting for all the information to be made available. You would rather I be reactionary and jump to conclusions like 24-hour news does?

    It's gonna be hard to trust both of them at the same time, given members of Congress have already stated that Barr lied and mis-characterized the report. I'm glad you put some stock into the Congressional process though, because they're holding a large-scale meeting Monday to discuss the findings of the Mueller report and where we go from here. Pelosi was previously against impeachment, but she does seem to be reconsidering now.
     
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    Is this the group that tries to limit and takeaway rights from minorities, like gay marriage?

    Then what exactly did you read, that makes you so sure that you are right?
     
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    I was referring to CNN, ABC News, NBC, CNBC and sometimes BBC. Their so-called news were full of this "collusion" non-sensual tabloid garbage as their main headline (for two years).

    The Liberals said "Wait for the report". We get the AG to review the report and he finds no collusion.

    The Liberals then change their stance using their "floating standard approach" to say "Let's wait until Congress gets it". They get it and there is still no proof of collusion.

    Now we're onto the "next" Liberal condition. Frankly, there's going to be another and another. They can't admit they are at fault. They were wrong and not only wrong about a small thing, but their headlines for two freaking years.

    The next Liberal condition also requires the release of personal information including that of information that interferes with national security, because, why the hell not? Screw all that stuff if they can somehow use the report to justify their lies. Even if that condition is met, which I don't think we should risk lives of people to simply try to prove something that has already been debunked there will be "yet another condition" and then "yet another condition".

    See the pattern? Lie, deny, repeat. I'm not dumb enough to fall for that crap.

    I think all lying bastard politicians should get the boot would would effectively get rid of ALL OF THEM. I'm not trying to justify Trump's ignorance when it comes to telling the truth, but he's a salesman. Sadly, I didn't expect much more coming from a politician. However, he's the President and until he's not I respect the position and the office. I'm not going to go around saying "Not my president". I've never done such a thing with ANY PRESIDENT.

    None of that changes the fact the Liberals were WRONG and clearly debating with someone who is never wrong is a waste of time. I'll still go to bed smiling. (Try not to edit my posts while I sleep).

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    Liberals have their own forms of oppression. If you want to find out first hand about all of that simply disagree with them. You don't even have to attack them, just simply have a different viewpoint and watch the oppressive hate machine tear you down. Trading one type of hate for another isn't a solution to any problem. Racism is still racism even if your targets skin color is white. Lies are still lies. Bullying people applies to everyone, not just one particular group of people. Treating one minority group different then another is still preferential treatment. Acceptance isn't limited to only accepting those who agree with you. Kinda not how that works.
     
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    Dude, William Barr wrote a memo last year to the White House, unprompted, stating that his opinion was that the president cannot obstruct justice. No shit he found "no collusion," which again is just fucking gaslighting because the Mueller report never refers to it as collusion. We knew his opinion on this way before the Mueller report was released, but that doesn't excuse lying about its contents. Or, for that matter, sharing the full report with the White House before sharing any portion of it with the public. He's compromised the independence and impartiality of the DOJ.

    If you respect the office, then you should understand the issue here. It's not about Trump, it's about degrading the integrity of the office itself. In the eyes of the rest of the world, the office of president is now no better than the unofficial position of town drunk. It's obviously hurting Americans' trust in our own institutions, as well.

    Christ, there's that victim complex again. "Debating or disagreeing with my uninformed opinions = oppression."
     
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    Disagreeing with me is fine, it's when you try to control me or take away my freedoms or otherwise limit my ability to do something based solely on the way I think that I have a problem with. I have been the victim of racism for the color of my skin and have been hated due to my sexuality and this has been done by the loving, caring and never wrong Liberals.

    I don't in any way think I'm being the victim of Liberal abuse due to the fact that you disagree with me nor does your interpretation of the fact that I was inundated with total garbage for two years (fake news about Liberal conspiracies that never came true) mean that I'm playing the victim card. However, if you take Lillith's attempts on this board to have my posts censored, removed or my account banned due to the fact that she disagrees with me I'd call that attempted abuse. Real abuse would be my denial of services, physical attacks and other actions that could cause bodily harm that have been done to me due to the fact that I don't agree with the Liberal left.

    A general example (I'm not going to go into detail about my person experiences as I don't want to feel like I'm trying to gain sympathy) would be if you are currently an older white heterosexual male who doesn't agree with the Liberal agenda you are presented with their racism and intolerance.

    Have you ever been in a relationship with a jealous individual who wasn't sure about themselves and took their anger out on you, was obsessed with you, tried to tell you how to think, how to act or tried to control you or otherwise restrict your freedoms under the guise of love, but you never liked this person nor wanted them in your life? That basically sums up how I feel about Liberals.
     
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    That being the case, ever consider that perhaps your definition of "liberal" is way off-base?

    I mean, what exactly are we talking about here? Because this could potentially be about something like wanting to do meth daily, and a significant other wanting to "limit" that "freedom" for the sake of your health and well-being. Which absolutely would be an action taken out of love.
     
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    Nope, this unconditional hatred came from the Liberal voting base.

    I wasn't giving an example of a particular person or situation, I was stating how Liberals make me feel in any given situation. Sort of like how they feel when a Bible thumping conservative tries to control every aspect of their lives.

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    I also suppose "how I feel" is pandering to the Left. Facts are that I've been physically attacked, have had been given reduced services or denied services based on the color of my skin and my sexual gender. Examples would be having my head kicked in, denial of assistance and having my food picked out of the trash and spit in before having it served to me - because I'm a white male. These events have been recent and come from the Liberal voting crowd of coward racists that are in most cases likely to be in the country illegally in my local town.
     
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    I mean that's really fucked up and I would never excuse that kind of behavior, but you don't strike me as exactly the most level-headed dude either. I wonder, if you were being honest with yourself, if you might've had something to do with inciting some of this conflict.

    After all, I'm a white male too. I've been in physical fights, but none of them were over my race or political affiliation. And certainly nobody has forcibly tried to boot me from the Democratic party in all the years I've been registered with them.
     
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    That's rich coming from the Democrat camp which has been "worked up" about the Trump presidency since Day 0 and continues to elevate the level of outrage and delusion with every passing day, desperately hoping to wake up from a reality that they consider a nightmare. It's gotten so bad that we had to come up with a term for this bizarre form of psychosis, "Trump Derangement Syndrome", in order to somehow classify the otherwise childish outbursts grown-ass adults now engage in. Everyone's affected, from your average Joe to high ranking members of society, people are tripping over themselves to be the bigger buffoon. Say what you will about Trump supporters feeling persecuted against (which, by the way, they are - for whatever reason people think it is socially acceptable to attack and harass someone just because they're wearing a MAGA hat), the Democrats have gone completely bonkers in the last few years and, despite all evidence to the contrary, they still think the sky is falling. It's not falling, and it would do the nation a lot of good to just stop being at each other's throats, focusing instead on policy. The opposition can't continuously move the goalposts when the previous investigation or report didn't lead to a magical impeachment proceeding they dreamed of, at some point you have to stop.
     
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    What is that saying, don't blame the victim? However, I did do something to provoke each incident. I was born white. The harassment also seems to become more apparent when I wear a t-shirt that simply has an American flag on it. For some reason the local majority finds that offensive. I try not to wear it often.
     
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